UT, OU, and SEC?

[Chop]

Re: aTm and who knew what...

Either:

1. The SEC brass cut aTm out of the information and negotiations; or

2. aTm's administration was in on the discussions and negotiations and was either: (i) ok with it, or (ii) was impotent to stop it; lying to their now-shocked and disillusioned fan base, and acting all surprised when the news was "leaked."

In either case, the ags have much egg on their faces.

 

[Clean]

Now supposedly Kansas wants out of the Big XII and wants to join the Big 10! If the Big XII falls apart organically because of this, we could be playing in the SEC in no time.

Kansas Reportedly Interested In Leaving Big 12 For 1 Major Conference

 

[Chop]

= oversized


(and without the kicka$$ baseball team)

 

[Chop]

Now supposedly Kansas wants out of the Big XII and wants to join the Big 10! If the Big XII falls apart organically because of this, we could be playing in the SEC in no time.

Kansas Reportedly Interested In Leaving Big 12 For 1 Major Conference

That would be an incredibly big landing for KU if it transpires. I know KU basketball is (normally) excellent, and academically KU is an overachiever, but their football is terrible--beyond terrible, and they are a very small media market. No recruiting benefits either. I doubt the BIG even wants them, but I could be wrong...

 

[Chop]

As for academics, I couldn't care less. If someone thinks a diploma from the University of Texas is inferior because we compete against the best in football then that's a flawed perception.

Well, Vanderbilt is in that league.

 

[Clean]

That would be an incredibly big landing for KU if it transpires. I know KU basketball is (normally) excellent, and academically KU is an overachiever, but their football is terrible--beyond terrible, and they are a very small media market. No recruiting benefits either. I doubt the BIG even wants them, but I could be wrong...

You’d think KU would fit better in a basketball-centric conference like the Big East.

 

[mchammer]

It will certainly help, but Texas still has to win on the field. Playing LSU, Bama and even aggie is going to be a lot tougher than playing KS, KST and Tech.

They are not going to play them every year, just like the good ole days of the B12 with Nebraska and KSU in their prime.

 

[mchammer]

Is there ANY chance that Aggies are so mad they leave SEC and come back to Big 12? It would be a money loss for sure but “independence”. OSU could slide in? Or Tech?

That was mentioned at Texags and the poster was universally ridiculed.

 

[SabreHorn]

Kansas might actually improve its football recruiting as a member of the BigTen. A new conference has to agree with the way their Tier 3 rights are structured, but right or wrong, TV networks give KU credit for the KC & St Louis Tv markets.

 

[mchammer]

I'm sure I'm alone in this, but while I tease and make fun of aTm, I cannot believe they were so short sighted and their administration so piss poor that they allowed themselves to be in a position where the conference office NEVER consulted them or included them in any meeting, calls or asked their opinion. Heads need to roll in Brazos County. It's going to be very difficult for Aggies to digest that the great pride they possess in "SEC, SEC, SEC" is reciprocated with being treated like with the mushroom theory. Hell, even South Carolina knew what was going on.

No one on Texags believe they were in the dark. They believe Aggy president leaked the story to chronicle to save face and to let down their fanbase softly. The truth is actually worse than the rumors: Aggy was impotent when Texas came a calling.

 

[mchammer]

Re: aTm and who knew what...

Either:

1. The SEC brass cut aTm out of the information and negotiations; or

2. aTm's administration was in on the discussions and negotiations and was either: (i) ok with it, or (ii) was impotent to stop it; lying to their now-shocked and disillusioned fan base, and acting all surprised when the news was "leaked."

In either case, the ags have much egg on their faces.

2. ii.

 

[BevoJoe]

I have a feeling OSU would want to follow blowU to the SEC, but the SEC probably wouldn't want them. All the old BIG members could probably go back and create another monster conference.

The ou vs. osu game could still be played annually. It wouldn't count as a conference game, but could still be played.

 

[militaryhorn]

Who do you think was the main driver of this happening?

Do you think the SEC approached both Texas and OU as equals or did they come after Texas first to gage interest and then went to OU and said Texas would come if you come?

Personally, I think both schools are perceived as blue blood programs but Texas really is the big fish when it comes to brand and money aspects of what is going on. Would SEC take OU without Texas or vice versa?

My opinion on this is that we should have done it years ago since the SEC is considered the best football conference and I only want to play the best. I don't like the SEC because of the arrogance the fans display about the league.

I hope the transition is immediate and not starting in 2025 or such.

I think it will be 4 team pods and ours will be OU, A&M, and Arkansas. This makes sense for geography and traditional rivalry.

 

[Horns11]

Interesting read here on a 4 Division SEC.

What Conference Realignment Will Actually Look Like For The SEC – OutKick

I see absolutely no reason to get "permanent cross division rivals." It was a stupid decision when the SEC went to it and remains so.

The easiest way to plan it out would still be 4 divisions, and playing 2 (1 home and 1 away) from each of the other 3 divisions every year for a total of 9 conference games. You do those 2 games as a home-and-home and then rotate to the other 2 teams for the next 2 years.

Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Play the other three teams every year

LSU
Mizzou
Vandy
Kentucky
vs LSU, @ Mizzou in 2022; @ LSU, vs. Mizzou in 2023; vs. Vandy, @ UK 2024; @ Vandy, vs. UK in 2025

Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss St
vs Bama, @ Auburn in 2022; @ Bama, vs. Auburn in 2023; vs. Ole Miss, @ MSU in 2024; @ Ole Miss, vs. MSU in 2025

Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
South Carolina
vs UF, @ UGA in 2022; @ UF, vs. UGA in 2023; vs Tenn, @ SoCar in 2024; @ Tenn, vs. SoCar in 2025

 

[UTexRulz23]

That was mentioned at Texags and the poster was universally ridiculed.

Yeah. Because anyone thinking with logic would get over the self entitlement they seem to be feeling. The implosion and mental gymnastics is fun to watch!

 

[militaryhorn]

The ou vs. osu game could still be played annually. It wouldn't count as a conference game, but could still be played.

I know it can be done because Florida does it with Florida St. right? Doesn't South Carolina and Clemson do it?

 

[dukesteer]

I see absolutely no reason to get "permanent cross division rivals." It was a stupid decision when the SEC went to it and remains so.

Agree. Cross pod every year rivalries messes up the system.

As proposed, play each team in your pod every year, and two teams in each other pod, home and home series. So the longest a team can go without playing every team in the league is three years, and four years to play them both home and away.

 

[Chop]

No one on Texags believe they were in the dark. They believe Aggy president leaked the story to chronicle to save face and to let down their fanbase softly. The truth is actually worse than the rumors: Aggy was impotent when Texas came a calling.

Not sure how the current ag admin can stick around for much longer after all this. Ags who actually attended and graduated from Texas A&M University might be delusional about sports, but they're not stupid people. They will only buy so much of the BS that their admin has been selling.

So a truthful statement from the aTm admin to the students and alumni--which, of course, won't happen--might look something like this:

"Fellow ags, those of us in the administration have long known about Texas and Oklahoma's overtures to the SEC, and the SEC's overtures, discussions, and negotiations with said institutions. We used our personal and institutional capital to try to stop this from happening, we voted no at every turn, we attempted to work behind the scenes to convince our fellow SEC schools to not allow this, but we lost. We tried, but we failed. We were completely ineffectual and impotent to stop this. Of course, we didn't want you to know about it, because you would make our lives a living hell, and you stupid little people, who can't see the bigger picture, would have gotten in our way and ruined any chance we had at stopping this tragedy. So we waited until the news was leaked, and we acted surprised. To further our devious and deceitful plan to keep you ignorant hayseeds in the dark, we flat out lied, and told you that we did not know about the plan to add Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC.

When it comes down to it, our fellow SEC schools have little respect for Texas A&M and little regard for our opinion. Now we're running scared that Texas will come to dominate us and our beloved conference. I don't look forward to receiving countless hate mail letters from you telling me how some "sip" you know at a goat roping made fun of aggies after they whipped us again on Thanksgiving Day. Well, at least remember we're still better than Baylor--and I assure you, we will not allow Baylor to join the SEC."

 

[BevoJoe]

I think it will be 4 team pods and ours will be OU, A&M, and Arkansas. This makes sense for geography and traditional rivalry.

That would be cool. Annual game with ou is preserved, Arky is back as an annual game, and the in-state rivalry game with aggy around Thanksgiving is rekindled. There is the issue of when we play aggy in Austin of having the pay the cost burden to fumigate the stadium to get rid of the sheep stink they leave behind.

 

[dukesteer]

Who do you think was the main driver of this happening?

I think Texas looked at the landscape and the prospects for the Big 12 and concluded that they had to do something, well in advance of 2025. As SH has been saying, the conference has stagnated and for that reason a decision had to be made. Wait, and opportunities disappear. I would have preferred the PAC 12 but, oh well.

I also believe that the SEC has coveted Texas and Oklahoma for years. So regardless of the noise coming out of College Station, this is a coup for ESPN and for the SEC.

 

[SabreHorn]

I know it can be done because Florida does it with Florida St. right? Doesn't South Carolina and Clemson do it?

That is correct, although the previous expansion caused the annual season opener between UGA and the Sons of Klem to be cancelled. That was a big rivalry as the two schools are close together.

 

[D Henry]

Worth the watch. Trust me. I spit beer all over my phone.

 

[militaryhorn]

This answers one of my questions if it is accurate:

Texas officials began conversations with Oklahoma brassa year ago - and six months ago those conversations culminated with intermediaries reaching out to officials in the Southeastern Conference about the possibility of Texas and OU joining the SEC, sources told Horns247.

Report

 

[JohnnyBravo]

I think it will be 4 team pods and ours will be OU, A&M, and Arkansas. This makes sense for geography and traditional rivalry.

You got rivalry and tradition right. But not 4 teams.

The whole idea of conferences need to be changed across the country.

1. We need 6 teams a conference, like old big 12, based on geography and rivalry.

2. For a two year match these 6 teams conference's would play another 6 team conference like old SEC East for example or Pac 12 South.

3. This would keep rivalry's in tac (UT and OU) game and then the added benefit of regional pride.

4. Their would be a championship game between two (like old Big 12) at the end and winner would advance to championship play-off.

5. Bigger is not better. This redo Brings mega interest to the games, regional pride and solves no one getting left behind problem. Every school stays relevant.

This isn't 1940's when teams where traveling on trains. Geography is no longer a problem. Let's (dare I say) think out of the box!!

 

[militaryhorn]

I really think the SEC should consider adding another 4 teams for four 5 team pods. Go get OSU for OU, Tech for Texas, Cinn for Missouri, TCU for A&M or something along those lines.

 

[militaryhorn]

You got rivalry and tradition right. But not 4 teams.

The whole idea of conferences need to be changed across the country.

1. We need 6 teams a conference, like old big 12, based on geography and rivalry.

2. For a two year match these 6 teams conference's would play another 6 team conference like old SEC East for example or Pac 12 South.

3. This would keep rivalry's in tac (UT and OU) game and then the added benefit of regional pride.

4. Their would be a championship game between two (like old Big 12) at the end and winner would advance to championship play-off.

5. Bigger is not better. This redo Brings mega interest to the games, regional pride and solves no one getting left behind problem. Every school stays relevant.

This isn't 1940's when teams where traveling on trains. Geography is no longer a problem. Let's (dare I say) think out of the box!!

The college landscape does not care about tradition any longer. This is just the first step in what my belief has been over the last 5 years or more...it will end up as a 30 to 40 team league that is not governed by the NCAA and will be a semi pro sports league with only blue blood schools invited. NIL is the next step.

 

[Run Pincher]

This answers one of my questions if it is accurate:

Texas officials began conversations with Oklahoma brassa year ago - and six months ago those conversations culminated with intermediaries reaching out to officials in the Southeastern Conference about the possibility of Texas and OU joining the SEC, sources told Horns247.

Report

So about the time we knew NIL would become a reality which basically made it legal to pay players.

 

[Chop]

so now a&m can put these incoming Big 12 teams in their place on the gridiron...

 

[JohnnyBravo]

The college landscape does not care about tradition any longer. This is just the first step in what my belief has been over the last 5 years or more...it will end up as a 30 to 40 team league that is not governed by the NCAA and will be a semi pro sports league with only blue blood schools invited. NIL is the next step.

30-40 teams?? So it will end up pretty much like I laid it out....

 

[militaryhorn]

30-40 teams?? So it will end up pretty much like I laid it out....

For the most part yes but not in the form of 6 team conferences. More like four 16 team conferences so more than likely 64 teams.