UT, OU, and SEC?

dukesteer said:
My dilemma is, what is the alternative? If the Big 12 continues to stagnate and perhaps more importantly, if networks like Fox aren’t interested in renewing, there is a big problem. And indeed, there is a big problem.

NIL will change everything. The SEC shenanigans — of funneling money to players — may have been negated by the decision. So if we are now all going to be paying players, one of my strong objections to joining that conference, ethics, may have been eliminated.

The purity and innocence is gone. Many would argue that it has been absent in many places for a long time.

I really like our chances on what now may be closer to a level playing field.
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NIL is already crazy

Six figure deals
 
dukesteer said:
My dilemma is, what is the alternative? If the Big 12 continues to stagnate and perhaps more importantly, if networks like Fox aren’t interested in renewing, there is a big problem. And indeed, there is a big problem.

NIL will change everything. The SEC shenanigans — of funneling money to players — may have been negated by the decision. So if we are now all going to be paying players, one of my strong objections to joining that conference, ethics, may have been eliminated.

The purity and innocence is gone. Many would argue that it has been absent in many places for a long time.

I really like our chances on what now may be closer to a level playing field.
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All of that is precisely why the interest, for me, is waning.
 
old65horn said:
I do not read the board the same as you. I see more anti "move to the SEC" than pro.

To me, the main reason for the move is the fact that we cannot recruit since the aggys move to the SEC This year we lost OL to Oregon. We are missing recruits because we are not in the SEC. I do not like the move, but it appears that is the only way we can recruit Texas again.
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It is interesting you bring up Oregon. Will every player receive a shoe/NIL contract from Nike? Will every Alabama player get a sweet/NIL payment from Krispy Kreme? Florida and Gatorade should make a splash on the recruiting trail and OU recruits drive away with Big Red loaners? We need to get with Elon now, our guys need Teslas.

Aggie better get their sheep in a row. Recruits are waiting.
 
horninchicago said:
No. TCU has been the superior program. Saying otherwise os looking at things through burnt orange sunglasses. They should be in the SEC before Vanderbilt or Kentucky, if we are talking football, which is what most SEC!SEC!SEC! fans really care about. But, they are good in baseball, too.
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If meritocracy for on the field/ on court performance were the measure, Baylor and TCU are solid conference mates. By measures of attendance, merchandise sales, tradition, alumni support, TV ratings and $$$, they are mid-tier.

An analogy is that I heard on the ticket is: You have a shopping mall. The anchor tenants are Texas and OU ... and they are leaving. The rest of the mall better get pretty creative at attracting customers.
 
Crockett said:
If meritocracy for on the field/ on court performance were the measure, Baylor and TCU are solid conference mates. By measures of attendance, merchandise sales, tradition, alumni support, TV ratings and $$$, they are mid-tier.

An analogy is that I heard on the ticket is: You have a shopping mall. The anchor tenants are Texas and OU ... and they are leaving. The rest of the mall better get pretty creative at attracting customers.
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How do the schools in the SEC!SEC!SEC! that are the comparable programs do on this things?
 
Crockett said:
If meritocracy for on the field/ on court performance were the measure, Baylor and TCU are solid conference mates. By measures of attendance, merchandise sales, tradition, alumni support, TV ratings and $$$, they are mid-tier.

An analogy is that I heard on the ticket is: You have a shopping mall. The anchor tenants are Texas and OU ... and they are leaving. The rest of the mall better get pretty creative at attracting customers.
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Basically, Texas and OU are the stores on the ends of the mall, everyone else are the fillers mooching off their customers.
 
horninchicago said:
How do the schools in the SEC!SEC!SEC! that are the comparable programs do on this things?
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The thing about the SEC is that in terms of brand value is that there are not a lot of teams like TCU/Baylor. If one of Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, Texas A&M, LSU, South Carolina, moved to the Big 12, they would be ranked no lower than third in Brand Value (assuming Texas and OU stay... if not they would be top dog) Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky and Ole Miss would be well above average. Mississippi State is akin to Kansas State. Vanderbilt is the token private, elite university in the mix.... kinda like Duke without the basketball prowess.
 
Seems to me that Texas, who can't win the Big XII and have a shot at the playoff and MNC, sure as hell will never have that chance again in the Mighty League. Who here really thinks Texas will do any better than A&M and ever win the SEC?

Enjoy all the $$. Any chance at NCs is sure as hell gone with this move, if it happens.
 
I just do not understand how folks think we will do well in the SEC. We just hired an unproven head coach(at Texas). we thought we had the great coach in strong and herman when they were hired. It is a good thing we havent played the aggies.They probably would have cleaned our clock for the last ten years. Their record last year was 9-1,what was ours? I am not an a&m supporter,just a realist. The orange coolaid is not as good as it use to be after the nonsense last year. I fear it is not over either. I had just as soon be third in the Big12 as last in the SEC. Recruiting will no longer matter on who you play or where. It will be,where can I make the most money.
 
Dave,

Gatorade is a good candidate for our department. After all, Gatorade was created by a graduate of The University of Texas, he just happened to be an employee of Florida.
 
horninchicago said:
Interesting. I rarely go to a mall anymore, but when I did, it was usually not for the anchor stores.
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The Big 12 knows the feeling. When it comes to TV contracts, marquee television time slots and 5 star recruits, the Conference is being treated like you treat shopping malls.
 
NIL?

Why arent there parameters regarding what and how much can be shoved into player pockets?

Should be equal and a better attempt would be made to help all!!!
 
Really????!!!! You serious??

'No. TCU has been the superior program. Saying otherwise os looking at things through burnt orange sunglasses. They should be in the SEC before Vanderbilt or Kentucky, if we are talking football, which is what most SEC!SEC!SEC! fans really care about. But, they are good in baseball, too.'
 
22Horn said:
Really????!!!! You serious??

'No. TCU has been the superior program. Saying otherwise os looking at things through burnt orange sunglasses. They should be in the SEC before Vanderbilt or Kentucky, if we are talking football, which is what most SEC!SEC!SEC! fans really care about. But, they are good in baseball, too.'
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Did I seem to not be? You can try to change my mind on it, too if you want.
 
horninchicago said:
Seems to me that Texas, who can't win the Big XII and have a shot at the playoff and MNC, sure as hell will never have that chance again in the Mighty League. Who here really thinks Texas will do any better than A&M and ever win the SEC?

Enjoy all the $$. Any chance at NCs is sure as hell gone with this move, if it happens.
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To me it comes down mostly to coaching.

In my football lifetime — let’s say starting from around 1959 (although I’m older than that), we have had three upper echelon coaches: DRK is obviously at the top of the list. I also put Akers and MB on the list as well.

Since the mid-80s, aside from the MB years, the program has not been in the national mix, so to speak. That’s about 35 years, within which we were relevant for less than 50% of time. And remember, MB only won two or three conference titles if I recall correctly.

My point is that if Sark is the guy, and I believe he could be — but no one really knows, then yes, we can absolutely compete in the SEC, and we can compete for the big prize, often.

Folks shouldn’t forget that prior to Saban, Alabama wandered through the desert for about as long as we did.

To me it’s mostly about coaching, not the competition and not the league.
 
Huge drop from Texas - LSU and then Tenn-Ags....$560m diff with few others hitting apprx $750m

Does that not reaveal anything to them.....oh, and total records in FB as well as UT vs those Ag boys.

What would brand value be of ND, tOst, USC, Mich, USC

CFB Brand Value | @WSJ $1.10B Texas $1.00B Alabama $891M Georgia $886M Oklahoma $872M Auburn $852M LSU $728M Tennessee $635M Florida $541M Texas A&M $463M Arkansas $461M S Carolina $342M Ole Miss $271M Kentucky $223M Miss St $122M Missouri $81M Vanderbilt
 
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erbutch said:
I just do not understand how folks think we will do well in the SEC. We just hired an unproven head coach(at Texas). we thought we had the great coach in strong and herman when they were hired. It is a good thing we havent played the aggies.They probably would have cleaned our clock for the last ten years. Their record last year was 9-1,what was ours? I am not an a&m supporter,just a realist. The orange coolaid is not as good as it use to be after the nonsense last year. I fear it is not over either. I had just as soon be third in the Big12 as last in the SEC. Recruiting will no longer matter on who you play or where. It will be,where can I make the most money.
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If Jesus was on this thread he would say
" ye of little faith"
 
HIC,

I understand your sentiment, but also look at the surrounding issues, like:

1) Big XII front office is weaker than an empty beer cup in a Category One hurricane. Apparently there was no consensus on when and how to replace Bowelsby.

2) Again, I maintain OU is the wildcard because we have no idea about their new president, who certainly isn't in the same league with Dr Boren, who held the conference together until Chris could get firmly established in Austin with the **** he inherited.

3) We know that the TV deal was being discussed, but what money were the networks offering the Big XII?

Once Bowelsby humped the puppy on the Clemson, FSU, GT deal, it has been downhill. Of course, you can't blame him because he had his head so far up Chuckie NeinASS' butt that he couldn't see clearly, but if could have, he would have seen NeinASS lip locked on the asses of ND & Swofford.

I personally don't want to go to the SEC, and would rather watch us against oSu, Tech, TCU, and even Baylor than South Carolina, Vandy, Miss Cow College, et al. That said, you know I'm old, and who knows how much longer I'll be able to go to games, so I made my opinion known, but after 15-18 months of negotiating with TV networks and Birmingham, this train is so far down the tracks, not seeing many options.

FWIW, I was lamenting to a friend last night at dinner, that my family and two others are the only ones left out of the original groups in our section. Most of the rest are dead. If the "old guard" is dying off, how much "new blood" is out there wanting to pay these prices when they can buy tickets outside the stadium for half price and sans donation? Just sayin' you ain't alone.

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AMEN!! This is what Herman and Strong left UT with and it has taken time to overcome theit shortcomings on a consistent basis!!

To me it comes down mostly to coaching.

In my football lifetime — let’s say starting from around 1959 (although I’m older than that), we have had three upper echelon coaches: DRK is obviously at the top of the list. I also put Akers and MB on the list as well.

Since the mid-80s, aside from the MB years, the program has not been in the national mix, so to speak. That’s about 35 years, within which we were relevant for less than 50% of time. And remember, MB only won two or three conference titles if I recall correctly.

My point is that if Sark is the guy, and I believe he could be — but no one really knows, then yes, we can absolutely compete in the SEC, and we can compete for the big prize, often.

Folks shouldn’t forget that prior to Saban, Alabama wandered through the desert for about as long as we did.

To me it’s mostly about coaching, not the competition and not the league.
 
erbutch said:
I just do not understand how folks think we will do well in the SEC. We just hired an unproven head coach(at Texas). we thought we had the great coach in strong and herman when they were hired. It is a good thing we havent played the aggies.They probably would have cleaned our clock for the last ten years. Their record last year was 9-1,what was ours? I am not an a&m supporter,just a realist. The orange coolaid is not as good as it use to be after the nonsense last year. I fear it is not over either. I had just as soon be third in the Big12 as last in the SEC. Recruiting will no longer matter on who you play or where. It will be,where can I make the most money.
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I agree with you and HIC. I don't have confidence we'll suddenly be winning the SEC and competing for a NC. But, we're simply in a catch-22 position. We're never going to be competing for a NC if we continue to allow the Texas 5*'s to head to the SEC. And that would be true even if Satan heads to Austin or DKR comes back from the grave.
 
dukesteer said:
To me it comes down mostly to coaching.

In my football lifetime — let’s say starting from around 1959 (although I’m older than that), we have had three upper echelon coaches: DRK is obviously at the top of the list. I also put Akers and MB on the list as well.

Since the mid-80s, aside from the MB years, the program has not been in the national mix, so to speak. That’s about 35 years, within which we were relevant for less than 50% of time. And remember, MB only won two or three conference titles if I recall correctly.

My point is that if Sark is the guy, and I believe he could be — but no one really knows, then yes, we can absolutely compete in the SEC, and we can compete for the big prize, often.

Folks shouldn’t forget that prior to Saban, Alabama wandered through the desert for about as long as we did.

To me it’s mostly about coaching, not the competition and not the league.
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For me. its about 60 percent getting high star players and 40 percent coaching
 
ChiHorn....yes, I absolutely believe you are serious and glad you can be so transparent......!! That is AOK to have your personal opinion just as millions of us folks do! Thanks for your valued input.

And yes, they are a well respected program that I see as 'potentially' being left out, but I believe they along with TT and OSU will make out very well. As a TT grad, I hate this for them, TCU, and OSU. Others ill find a new home. Would not mind seeing B12 continue minus a few with TT, OSU, TCU, BYU, SMU, Cinn, Louis, LA, ISU, Utah, Co St, and TxSt....!
 
Pomspoms said:
For me. its about 60 percent getting high star players and 40 percent coaching
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I can certainly agree with you 100% on that. I know a lot people like to shout out the Patterson, Campbell, Rule's of the game keep beating Texas because of "superior coaching", but when have any of them been competing for NC's?
 
Obvious question that i haven’t seen mentioned:

On joining the SEC, how many additional National Championships will we add to our stadium?

#aggies
 
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