Somebody better tell NJ. He was having some man love thoughts awhile back (when NJ was just wrong!)
UK may vote to leave the European Union
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Somebody better tell NJ. He was having some man love thoughts awhile back (when NJ was just wrong!)
texas_ex2000
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Deez, it's been a long time since I was in France. How "right wing nationalistic" is the Front National? Like compared on the spectrum of Reagan Democrats => Establishment GOP => Texas GOP =>Tea Party => Republic of Texas Separatists => Fascists
He sells a lot of guns, too.
Would a fascist be to the right of a Republic of Texas separatist? I mean, the only things to the right of that would be the feudal system then anarchists.
I think this has been discussed on threads before but it seems if you are further right than the republic of texas people, you would end up with anarchy. Fascists are called "far right" but they seem to be center left extremists. All I am saying is that republic of texas people who are one step shy of wanting no government at all and are all about disunity probably do not have much in common with fascists which did away with states completely in Germany and just had one strong central united government.
texas_ex2000
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Good point 77. I have a really bad cold and was just typing. I was thinking about their nationalist sentiments more or less in isolation versus preferred governing style.
^ That makes sense and is a good point. Instead of trying to organize systems of government as right and left we should just organize characteristics of forms of government (governmental control, police power/human rights, economics, isolation/globalism, nationalism, racism/multi culturalism, religion, etc.) as right and left. As far as nationalism goes, your list works perfectly.
I'm very reluctant to compare European political parties with US political parties, because the Left-Right political spectrum (which started in Europe) doesn't really fit US politics very well. (That's why putting fascism on the far right makes no sense to many Americans.) After thinking about it, I think the reason is that there isn't an important place for limited government in European politics. In America, conservatism (the Right) is associated with a limited government, especially when it comes to economic management. In Europe, there's no reason to assume that a Right-wing politician is for a significantly smaller government than a Left-wing politician. From what I can tell, the Left/Right spectrum mostly breaks down nationalism versus globalism.
If I had to try to try to force the square peg into the round hole, I'd probably put the Front National closest to the Reagan Democrats. They are nationalistic - anti-immigration, supportive of protectionist economic policies on trade, don't want to surrender sovereignty to global organizations (such as the EU), and tend to support customs and border controls (thoroughly detest the Schengen Agreement). They're also more economically liberal (in the American sense). They're OK with a pretty strong social welfare system but are hostile to freeloaders. They tend to be socially conservative (especially by French standards).
One area where they're not like Reagan Democrats is foreign policy. Like most nationalist parties in Europe (with UKIP being somewhat of an exception), Front National is hostile to NATO and US-skeptic in general. They tend to want France to defend itself and bear no responsibility for defending other nations. They think Putin is pretty studly.
You either didn't carefully read what I posted, or you don't know what the word "disproved" means. I haven't said anything that can be disproved. Disagreed with? Sure. Disproved? No, and certainly not by a single anecdote.
Nevertheless, I commend you for that anecdote. It's a superb article and not superficial, but I don't think he's making the point you suggest. I don't see him linking Brexit to Trump. I see him linking the progressive reaction to Brexit with the progressive reaction to Trump and how that reaction impacts the politics and motivations of those who support Brexit and impliedly, Trump. That's a separate and more nuanced but (somewhat paradoxically) a bigger issue as well.
Contradicted would have been a better word choice.
Joe Fan
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Joe Fan
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Hannan also suggested Obama may have been the reason the Brexit Referendum passed.
(See chart I embeded ~14 posts above^^^)
"DANIEL HANNAN, MEP: He (Obama) did intervene very directly in our system and I have to say he had the opposite effect from the one he intended. There were four opinion polls taken the week after Mr. Obama told us to vote remain and all of them showed a sharp swing to leave and I have to now say, you know I don’t know whether he was a secret agent on our side all along, but he may given the narrowness of the result have been the reason that we’re now a sovereign and independent country again. You know what, I can’t help noticing that you guys voted [to] leave a while ago, it seems to have worked out okay for you."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...a_may_be_reason_brexit_referendum_passed.html
(See chart I embeded ~14 posts above^^^)
"DANIEL HANNAN, MEP: He (Obama) did intervene very directly in our system and I have to say he had the opposite effect from the one he intended. There were four opinion polls taken the week after Mr. Obama told us to vote remain and all of them showed a sharp swing to leave and I have to now say, you know I don’t know whether he was a secret agent on our side all along, but he may given the narrowness of the result have been the reason that we’re now a sovereign and independent country again. You know what, I can’t help noticing that you guys voted [to] leave a while ago, it seems to have worked out okay for you."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...a_may_be_reason_brexit_referendum_passed.html
Seattle Husker
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I think there is a lot of truth to what he's saying. The various left and rightwing blogs take the bias to the extremes. They aren't held to the same standards as traditional media. Look at New York Times that are called out for any bias and incorrect information. The blogs? They don't have fact checkers. They don't need them because half baked facts and conspiracy theories are the norm.
I35
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Fact checking doesn't seem to stop the mainstream media either. They say it, get called out on it, ignore the fact check........repeat.
Seattle Husker
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Seattle Husker
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With Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage both stepping away from leadership roles since the BREXIT referendum was completed, who will be left to govern their way through outcomes of the decision the two aforementioned leaders forced?
I wonder of anyone in the Leave camp feels a little abandoned at the moment.
I wonder of anyone in the Leave camp feels a little abandoned at the moment.
Seattle Husker
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And Boris Johnson was just appointed to be Foreign Minister. The UK appears to be confusing late night talkshow host with bureaucrat.
Joe Fan
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BREXIT BOOM: UK business deals up by 800% in month following EU Referendum
BRITISH companies have raked in tens of billions in new deals, with an eight-fold increase in the space of one month, in a business bonanza since the UK voted to leave the European Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/69...ls-800-PER-CENT-month-following-EU-Referendum
BRITISH companies have raked in tens of billions in new deals, with an eight-fold increase in the space of one month, in a business bonanza since the UK voted to leave the European Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/69...ls-800-PER-CENT-month-following-EU-Referendum
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