UK may vote to leave the European Union

[Mr. Deez]

Typical elitist BS. Link. And of course, it's very presumptuous. It assumes that Google searches about the EU and Brexit after the polls closed came from Britain without any such confirmation, and it implies that it's primarily Leave voters did the searches. Obviously Remain voters from enlightened areas like socialist Scotland and London cast informed ballots. Only Leave idiots would vote for something and then Google it to find out what it is. And they wonder why some think the media is biased.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Mr. Deez]

European Union to Britain - F-You. Link.

I'm concerned about the EU's attitude on this. They should be a little more introspective and a little less hostile. After Britain has chosen a risky path just to leave the EU, one would think the EU leaders would start looking at ways to reform in hopes that perhaps the UK changes its mind over the next couple of years or to at least quell nationalist movements in other EU countries. Instead, they seem to be taking a "don't let the door hit you in the ***" approach. I think that could really backfire in the long term. I loathe the EU and think it should be broken up, but nobody welcomes open hostility returning to the continent.

 

[iatrogenic]

HRC responded to Brexit with "free tampons for everyone!"

Damn that's funny!!

 

[Joe Fan]

This kind of stuff tends to confuse the Occupy types

 

[Joe Fan]

Anybody want to stop him from moving over?
Let Germany pay for the last leg of his surgery

 

[Mr. Deez]

Anybody want to stop him from moving over?
Let Germany pay for the last leg of his surgery

The political reaction to this is revealing. The political Left has always had elitist elements, but it's clear from their reaction to Brexit that the elites have completely taken over. Brexit was driven heavily by working class people at the expense of the super wealthy. A guy like Moore should be all about that.

 

[texas_ex2000]

The political reaction to this is revealing. The political Left has always had elitist elements, but it's clear from their reaction to Brexit that the elites have completely taken over. Brexit was driven heavily by working class people at the expense of the super wealthy. A guy like Moore should be all about that.

http://nyti.ms/28Tq75f

Deez, scanning the comments section of this good NYTimes article this morning. Supposedly, many of Britain's youth (affluent) are "terrified." Which while ridiculous, does make sense. Because if I was some 21 year old kid who never has paid taxes, raised kids, or had to fight (in the old fashioned sense) for the security of my country and that my awesome plans to "study in Romania on the European Union’s student-exchange program, Erasmus, were in jeopardy," that would probably be the most terrifying thing to have happened in my short affluent life. Growing up, independence, and making your own decisions for yourself is terrifying.

Despite the fact that the EU flavor of Globalization has greatly and unequally benefitted a smaller group of generally white older male financial professionals in the City (many of whom are my friends) and Frankfurt while leaving young students with an uncertain future, the youth still wanted to stay.

I love this quote from the article, "Ms. Shaw blamed the news media for spreading misinformation about European Union membership. 'A lot of the older generation rely on newspapers for all their facts and don’t actually do any of their own research unlike my generation.'"

The dramatics too are entertaining. "Our economy is in tatters," "Waking up to the #EURefResults and realizing the older generation have just ruined our future," "What do we do now? I’m very scared." You would think the Luftwaffe was fire bombing them as they huddled in the Underground.

 

[theiioftx]

The drama by the liberal media is unreal. This disrupts the plans of moving to a one world socialist utopia. It also affirms many Americans discontent with open borders and the subsequent rise of Trump.

I believe this is ultimately a great move for Great Britain.

 

[Joe Fan]

Joe Biden denounced the expression of British people's will through the democratic process as nothing but a bunch of "demagogues peddling xenophobia."

Stay classy Mr. VP


I guess the same would have to apply to these guys too --

 

[Joe Fan]

The political reaction to this is revealing. The political Left has always had elitist elements, but it's clear from their reaction to Brexit that the elites have completely taken over. Brexit was driven heavily by working class people at the expense of the super wealthy. ......

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Mr. Deez]

http://nyti.ms/28Tq75f

Deez, scanning the comments section of this good NYTimes article this morning. Supposedly, many of Britain's youth (affluent) are "terrified." Which while ridiculous, does make sense. Because if I was some 21 year old kid who never has paid taxes, raised kids, or had to fight (in the old fashioned sense) for the security of my country and that my awesome plans to "study in Romania on the European Union’s student-exchange program, Erasmus, were in jeopardy," that would probably be the most terrifying thing to have happened in my short affluent life. Growing up, independence, and making your own decisions for yourself is terrifying.

Despite the fact that the EU flavor of Globalization has greatly and unequally benefitted a smaller group of generally white older male financial professionals in the City (many of whom are my friends) and Frankfurt while leaving young students with an uncertain future, the youth still wanted to stay.

I love this quote from the article, "Ms. Shaw blamed the news media for spreading misinformation about European Union membership. 'A lot of the older generation rely on newspapers for all their facts and don’t actually do any of their own research unlike my generation.'"

The dramatics too are entertaining. "Our economy is in tatters," "Waking up to the #EURefResults and realizing the older generation have just ruined our future," "What do we do now? I’m very scared." You would think the Luftwaffe was fire bombing them as they huddled in the Underground.

I have no doubt that some will lose under Brexit. If you want to live, work, or retire to another EU country, this isn't good for you. I get that. Furthermore, it will probably be somewhat of an adjustment for everybody. Liberty and sovereignty are never free. They cost everybody some and cost some everything. That's why it's disgraceful to give them away in the first place. If you give them up and have a chance to get them back, you're one of the lucky ones. You grab them back with everything you have. That's what these dumbass youngsters don't understand.

And I damn near spilled my beer (see below - pardon the tea kettle) when I read the part about the media. I know every generation thinks the previous one is nuts, but these people are first rate retards. I fear for the world Deez, Jr. will grow up in. He'll be surrounded by idiots. The media was predicting the fuckin' apocalypse if Brexit passed. What is this brain dead moron thinking??? If they had been remotely fair, this thing would have passed by 20 points, and I was watching BBC when the results were announced. They damn near crapped in their pants.

 

[Joe Fan]

Things are going downhill quickly

 

[texas_ex2000]

I have no doubt that some will lose under Brexit. If you want to live, work, or retire to another EU country, this isn't good for you. I get that. Furthermore, it will probably be somewhat of an adjustment for everybody. Liberty and sovereignty are never free. They cost everybody some and cost some everything. That's why it's disgraceful to give them away in the first place. If you give them up and have a chance to get them back, you're one of the lucky ones. You grab them back with everything you have. That's what these dumbass youngsters don't understand.

And I damn near spilled my beer (see below - pardon the tea kettle) when I read the part about the media. I know every generation thinks the previous one is nuts, but these people are first rate retards. I fear for the world Deez, Jr. will grow up in. He'll be surrounded by idiots. The media was predicting the fuckin' apocalypse if Brexit passed. What is this brain dead moron thinking??? If they had been remotely fair, this thing would have passed by 20 points, and I was watching BBC when the results were announced. They damn near crapped in their pants.

Because of social media (a definite product of globalization), I don't think people ON BOTH SIDES of the political spectrum listen to each other. We don't value empathy anymore. After the integrity of our word, empathy, is in my opinion, the most important virtue for an adult to have. And it's dying.

Instead we vilify the other side, friends and family we love who happen to have different experinces and poltics from our own. We let other people tell us how to feel and think.

It's hilarious, I'll have friends over for a dinner - I'll make them chicken fried steak and puchan pie, and inevitably living in DC politics comes up. I'd rather talk about cars, movies, art but people here love their politics. And they can't believe I'm a republican (or more accurately don't vote democrat...although today with how messed up Hillary is, people are little more understanding). You own guns!!! What??!! I do! And an AR as a matter of fact. I also believe in marriage equality (maybe not in the way we have it set up now, and I don't personally feel that the lifestyle is us at our best, but you should be able to marry a man or a woman call them your spouse and the Law should respect that). And it's one of the reasons, because they're evil hate filled raping murders, why I think we need to devote everything we can to protect ourselves from these maniacs and destroy ISIS (proper) as quickly and decisively as possible.

The point is, I'm their friend...and I'm intelligent and not crazy. Then I point out Rebecca and Marissa - two other good friends...are they crazy? No. Well...they're also Texans who lean right who aren't crazy evil old people either. When you realize the other side aren't imbecilic, xenophobic, cousin humping, domestic terrorists - you can actually get to talkinng about the real underlying issues. E.g., is it really xenophobia or is Cologne really something we shouldn't stand for culturally?

Maybe if Britons talked to/empathized with each other, they could have had a strategy to negotiate with the EU about these major problems without leaving.

However, we're a little older and actually enjoy talking to each other across a table. None of us have instagram accounts.

 

[Horn6721]

Ok naïve question. why wouldn't Brits be able to get visas or permits to work in other Euro countries? They were able to before the EU. It is hard to believe the other countries would not allow any Brits in for work.
I get that it will be more difficult than it is now but so what?

 

[Htown77]

You would think the Luftwaffe was fire bombing them as they huddled in the Underground.

My 91 year old grandmother from London is ecstatic. She was firebombed by the Luftwaffe and her brother, who served in the RAF, spent time in a German POW camp. She knows the price of freedom and is very happy that her native country has voted to get it back.

It is correct to say that these youngsters overreacting do not have a clue.

Now I do understand and feel bad for many Brits, like my cousins, that work in continental Europe and go back and forth. While I disagree with them on remaining, I perfectly understand that this vote affects their jobs. I can respectfully disagree with people that have real reasons (employment among others) for voting remain. I cannot respect the young people claiming racism and worldwide collapse.

Also, it is a shame these young people in England keep calling their elders, that stood up against Hitler and stopped the most racist regime on the planet, a bunch of racists for wanting to retain their sovereignty they fought so hard to keep.

 

[texas_ex2000]

My 91 year old grandmother from London is ecstatic. She was firebombed by the Luftwaffe and her brother, who served in the RAF, spent time in a German POW camp. She knows the price of freedom and is very happy that her native country has voted to get it back.

It is correct to say that these youngsters overreacting do not have a clue.

Now I do understand and feel bad for many Brits, like my cousins, that work in continental Europe and go back and forth. While I disagree with them on remaining, I perfectly understand that this vote affects their jobs. I can respectfully disagree with people that have real reasons (employment among others) for voting remain. I cannot respect the young people claiming racism and worldwide collapse.

Also, it is a shame these young people in England keep calling their elders, that stood up against Hitler and stopped the most racist regime on the planet, a bunch of racists for wanting to retain their sovereignty they fought so hard to keep.

Although the UK is a strong economy, Germany, France, and Italy (if their government weren't so corrupt) would be stronger, relative to the UK, independent of the EU.

UK is really a service based economy - primarily financial services. They don't really manufacturer or export a lot stuff - consumer goods or heavy capital equipment. Global financial services and markets are absolutely based on agreements/treaties/laws that BREXIT will change. E.g. issuing debt in the London markets may be much more cumbersome for a multinational then it was in the past. Versus if Germany left, buying a Porsche in Spain or Belgium would be like buying a Lexus...maybe a little more expensive than before, but not impossible.

 

[Mr. Deez]

My 91 year old grandmother from London is ecstatic. She was firebombed by the Luftwaffe and her brother, who served in the RAF, spent time in a German POW camp. She knows the price of freedom and is very happy that her native country has voted to get it back.

It is correct to say that these youngsters overreacting do not have a clue.

Now I do understand and feel bad for many Brits, like my cousins, that work in continental Europe and go back and forth. While I disagree with them on remaining, I perfectly understand that this vote affects their jobs. I can respectfully disagree with people that have real reasons (employment among others) for voting remain. I cannot respect the young people claiming racism and worldwide collapse.

Also, it is a shame these young people in England keep calling their elders, that stood up against Hitler and stopped the most racist regime on the planet, a bunch of racists for wanting to retain their sovereignty they fought so hard to keep.

Totally agree. The disrespect these ******** have for the elderly is just disgusting. Good article on the smugness of the Remain crowd.

 

[texas_ex2000]

Totally agree. The disrespect these ******** have for the elderly is just disgusting. Good article on the smugness of the Remain crowd.

Lock the thread now. That article is the mic drop. Is that how Liberal Cosmopolitans say it?

 

[mchammer]

Ok naïve question. why wouldn't Brits be able to get visas or permits to work in other Euro countries? They were able to before the EU. It is hard to believe the other countries would not allow any Brits in for work.
I get that it will be more difficult than it is now but so what?

You are ruining the playground for the global elite.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Ok naïve question. why wouldn't Brits be able to get visas or permits to work in other Euro countries? They were able to before the EU. It is hard to believe the other countries would not allow any Brits in for work.
I get that it will be more difficult than it is now but so what?

Actually, that's a big question. One of the core facets of European integration is the free movement of people and labor. Someone in Zagreb, Croatia could look at job ads in London, see an opening, apply for it, and if hired, move to London temporarily or permanently. In fact, he's protected from employment discrimination when doing so. Similarly, someone who's from London could decide he's going to retire, decide that he'd rather live in the warmer climate (and cheaper living costs) of Croatia, buy a house, and move there. Well, if you don't live in an EU country, you can't do all that. You have to apply for a visa, which is a big deal (costs money, takes time, etc.), and you may or may not get it.

This is a big issue related to Brexit that will have to be worked out. Millions of Europeans legally live and work in the UK. What's going to happen to them? Millions of Brits live in other EU countries. What's going to happen to them? My guess is that Britain will let people in some high-demand occupations stay and make others leave, but I don't think they'll make them leave suddenly. I think they'll get some time to make the adjustment. After all, they came legally.

As for Brits living in other EU countries, I think it will depend on the country and why they're there. I could see Germany kicking all Brits out just out of spite. They're pissed. France might do the same, but I doubt it. I could see others letting some in high-demand occupations stay but making lower-level people leave, while others might let them all stay. I could see southern European countries like Spain, Italy, and Portugal kicking workers out but letting retirees (who are spending money but not costing anybody a job) stay. You might also have an EU-wide policy on Brits, but I doubt they'll come to such an agreement.

 

[Hollandtx]

" I don't think people ON BOTH SIDES of the political spectrum listen to each other. We don't value empathy anymore. After the integrity of our word, empathy, is in my opinion, the most important virtue for an adult to have. And it's dying."

"Instead we vilify the other side, friends and family we love who happen to have different experinces and poltics from our own. We let other people tell us how to feel and think."

texas_ex2000, I love this post. That's all.
A mere "like" didn't cover it. One of the worst things about the internet is it allows us to write anything we want, and hide behind a screen. We have not only lost our empathy, but many have turned in to outright bullies. It is amazing that people will write what they would never say out loud to someone's face, and I think the internet is squeezing the last remnants of empathy out of the older generations, and the younger ones have never learned it, sadly.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I can't imagine why Britain wanted to leave. Link

 

[texas_ex2000]

" I don't think people ON BOTH SIDES of the political spectrum listen to each other. We don't value empathy anymore. After the integrity of our word, empathy, is in my opinion, the most important virtue for an adult to have. And it's dying."

"Instead we vilify the other side, friends and family we love who happen to have different experinces and poltics from our own. We let other people tell us how to feel and think."

texas_ex2000, I love this post. That's all.
A mere "like" didn't cover it. One of the worst things about the internet is it allows us to write anything we want, and hide behind a screen. We have not only lost our empathy, but many have turned in to outright bullies. It is amazing that people will write what they would never say out loud to someone's face, and I think the internet is squeezing the last remnants of empathy out of the older generations, and the younger ones have never learned it, sadly.

So, on Meet The Press this morning, historian Doris Goodwin, who I greatly respect and seemed disappointed by the outcome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Kearns_Goodwin,
was talking about how this was caused by, wait for it..."the leaders of both parties not being able to reach the people," and "a lack of empathy," - those were her words verbatim.

Less than a minute later still in the panel segment, Helene Cooper, the NYTimes Pentagon correspondent
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/helene_cooper/index.html,
said that we can't use BREXIT as a thermometer for November - which I wouldn't specifically disagree with. But she supports it by saying how the electorate in the US is "fundamentally different" than that of the UK. That the US looks much more like METRO LONDON as opposed to "little England" - her words, that voted to leave.

First, just factually, nowhere and most certainly swing states in the US looks like London demographically. Even New York City, as cosmopolitan as it is, doesn't look like London. That statement alone, makes me question her knowledge about and empathetic character with her own American countrymen.

And then, for a senior New York Times Pentagon correspondent, to belittle/marginalize a whole swath of people that just won a majority vote as "little England" (for those not in the know, little England was a term of derision for nationalists that has gained a greater more derogatory/ugly meaning in the last decade) is exactly what Doris was warning against.

 

[mb227]

This kind of stuff tends to confuse the Occupy types

of course what most miss out on is the fact that the smart people will have used this as a buying opportunity in some manner and will come out ahead in the end, with accounts that have an even larger balance.

 

[Joe Fan]

HRC responded to Brexit with "free tampons for everyone!"

Given that --
women live longer, and
take more from Social Security
shouldn't we have an EXTRA tax on tampons?

 

[Mr. Deez]

So, on Meet The Press this morning, historian Doris Goodwin, who I greatly respect and seemed disappointed by the outcome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Kearns_Goodwin,
was talking about how this was caused by, wait for it..."the leaders of both parties not being able to reach the people," and "a lack of empathy," - those were her words verbatim.

Less than a minute later still in the panel segment, Helene Cooper, the NYTimes Pentagon correspondent
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/helene_cooper/index.html,
said that we can't use BREXIT as a thermometer for November - which I wouldn't specifically disagree with. But she supports it by saying how the electorate in the US is "fundamentally different" than that of the UK. That the US looks much more like METRO LONDON as opposed to "little England" - her words, that voted to leave.

First, just factually, nowhere and most certainly swing states in the US looks like London demographically. Even New York City, as cosmopolitan as it is, doesn't look like London. That statement alone, makes me question her knowledge about and empathetic character with her own American countrymen.

And then, for a senior New York Times Pentagon correspondent, to belittle/marginalize a whole swath of people that just won a majority vote as "little England" (for those not in the know, little England was a term of derision for nationalists that has gained a greater more derogatory/ugly meaning in the last decade) is exactly what Doris was warning against.

I listened to the podcast while I was out on a walk tonight, and Goodwin said something else that's revealing. She described Cameron's promise to hold the referendum as a ploy to get the "far-right" to support the Tories in the 2015 election. Two things about that. First, if you think something is "far-right" but gets 52 percent of the vote, then perhaps your political spectrum needs to be adjusted.

Second, the idea that Leave was a "far right" phenomenon is a bit of a false narrative if you look at the results in context of the 2015 general election. For example, Leave got 38 percent of the vote in Scotland. Obviously, that's a resounding defeat. However, if you look at the 2015 general election results in Scotland, the Scottish National Party (SNP) and Labour combined for 74.3 percent of the vote. Do the math. You don't reach 38 percent of the vote without a significant number of SNP and Labour voters voting Leave.

Leave got 52.5 percent of the vote in Wales. In 2015, Labour, the Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, and Greens combined for 58.1 percent. In all likelihood, a significant number of those left-leaning voters backed Leave.

Nobody wants to admit it, but there's no doubt that though I'm sure the Leave votes came disproportionately from the Tories and UKIP voters, a large number did not. The numbers just don't add up, especially in light of the fact that at least a sizable percentage of the Tory voters are establishment/business types who voted to Remain.