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Joe Fan said:
These are the modern Brownshirts -- a violent mob marching through an American city "targeting" people.


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This is equally as abhorrent as the Trump supporters' violence against protesters on multiple occasions at his rallies. Both sides are in the wrong.
 
theiioftx said:
I have been anti Trump from the beginning. However, watching protest after protest with Mexican flags waving, cursing and violence makes me more apt to vote for Trump.
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It doesn't make me more apt to vote for Trump, because it doesn't add any merit to his candidacy. However, it does illustrate the double standard that the political commentariat and media apply to this sort of thing.

Let's suppose that instead of talking about a white woman getting egged in California for being a Trump supporter, we're talking about a black woman who's a vocal Obama supporter getting egged in Texas. How would things be different? First, it would simply be a much bigger story. Second, the race of the perpetrators and the victim would be made a core element of the story, and racist intent would be presumed. Third (and most significantly), the opposing candidates and others on the Right would be called on relentlessly to answer for it - and not just the obligatory condemning of violence. They'd be asked if their rhetoric or actions contributed to the violence, why their supporters are so violent, etc. Consider the alleged Tea Party protester dropping the N-Bomb on Emmanuel Cleaver and John Lewis. That didn't even involve a physical assault, and in fact, even though there were media cameras present, nobody has any proof that it actually occurred. The only evidence of it is the word of a few extremely self-interested politicians with every reason in the world to lie. Nevertheless, the Tea Party and conservatives still have that alleged incident thrown in their faces from time to time.
 
Seattle Husker said:
This is equally as abhorrent as the Trump supporters' violence against protesters on multiple occasions at his rallies. Both sides are in the wrong.
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The media blamed Trump for that. Crawled all over his butt over it, for weeks. Making demands that he issue statements about it. Then, when he did, they complained about the statement.

Today (and last night too) the media is blaming Trump for what occurred in San Jose.
See how it works?


Lastly, this is mob violence vs. one of two instances of individual action.
Mob/brownshirt-style violence ONLY exists on the left.
 
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CNN actually blamed the female victim here - I guess she was asking for it, with those shoes and her short see through skirt

 
Joe Fan said:
The media blamed Trump for that. Crawled all over his butt over it, for weeks. Making demands that he issue statements about it. Then, when he did, they complained about the statement.

Today (and last night too) the media is blaming Trump for what occurred in San Jose.
See how it works?


Lastly, this is mob violence vs. one of two instances of individual action.
Mob/brownshirt-style violence ONLY exists on the left.
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The media is biased in their reporting towards the left. With that said, what's the common denominator? Why haven't other candidates seen this at their rallies in the past? Heck, why haven't they experienced is this year? Cruz didn't. Rubio didn't. Kasich didn't. When you base your campaign on xenophobia there are repercussions. His candidacy announcement speech started by calling the Mexicans that are here "rapists and murderers". Trump has continued that rhetoric throughout his campaign yet expanded it to many minorities and women. People are going to be upset.

He has a right to be a bomb thrower but also recognize he's played a significant role in creating this mob mentality.

I will say that the rightwing media reporting on this mob is eerily similar to the mainstream reporting on the Trump supporter incidents. CNN reported that the woman that was egged walked into the crowd shouting her Trump support giving the double-middle finger salute. Antagonizing an already excited crowd isn't very bright. Just as the black man being escorted out of the Trump rally only to be sucker punched by the old man wasn't very bright when he did the same thing. What are these people thinking on both sides?

The rhetoric has gone over the top and nobody is holding the politicians accountable for being arsonists.
 
Joe Fan said:
CNN actually blamed the female victim here - I guess she was asking for it, with those shoes and her short see through skirt

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Some right-wing posters on this board blamed that black man that got sucker punched by the old man for the same thing. It is ok to say that the victim antagonized the crowd. That's reporting and something many on here blamed the media for not reporting on during the Trump rallies.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Some right-wing posters on this board blamed that black man that got sucker punched by the old man for the same thing. It is ok to say that the victim antagonized the crowd. That's reporting and something many on here blamed the media for not reporting on during the Trump rallies.
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Wow, an actual argument she was asking for it. Amazing
 
Joe Fan said:
Wow, an actual argument she was asking for it. Amazing
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It's a relevant point both ways. A justification? No. Relevant? Yes. Suppose your kid punches somebody in the face unprovoked at school. Suppose your kid punches somebody in the face who called his mother a fat *****. Would you get mad at him in the first situation? Probably. Would you get mad at him in the second situation? Maybe, but certainly far less.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Some right-wing posters on this board blamed that black man that got sucker punched by the old man for the same thing. It is ok to say that the victim antagonized the crowd.
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That black man was being extremely aggressive by flipping off the audience of a political rally that he was actively disrupting. That poor lady is not being aggressive in the least. Bizarre attempt at equating the two incidents.
 
UTChE96 said:
That black man was being extremely aggressive by flipping off the audience of a political rally that he was actively disrupting. That poor lady is not being aggressive in the least. Bizarre attempt at equating the two incidents.
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That's the point. CNN is claiming she was doing the same thing as she left the rally. You don't see on these clips what CNN is referencing. CNN could be lying or these clips have been edited to make her look like she was minding her own business. Thousands of other Trump supporters didn't fall into her situation after the speech. Why?

I'll repeat. Nobody deserves and egg in the face. If they antagonized the group then I have less sympathy for the victim.
 
Seattle Husker said:
CNN is claiming she was doing the same thing as she left the rally. You don't see on these clips what CNN is referencing. CNN could be lying or these clips have been edited to make her look like she was minding her own business.
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I give CNN about as much credibility as you would give Fox News. But to be fair, we did not see the entire incident. Based on the short video, she did not appear to be aggressive in the least and looked to be near tears as the protestors continued to taunt her.
 
The media reporting of the incident and the blaming of Trump is about par for the course. The real kick in the shorts in this instance, to me, is the police not doing anything about it. I saw the same thing on a video of a Trump supporter being assaulted by demonstrators in, I think, Charleston. The police eventually grabbed him out of the protesters clutches (he had to walk to where they were, they did not come out and aid him) and put themselves between him and the protesters, but they just escorted him out and did nothing against the protesters who were threatening violence against both the man and the cops and continually ignored the police warnings for them to get back.
 
This is equally as abhorrent as the Trump supporters' violence against protesters on multiple occasions at his rallies. Both sides are in the wrong.
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+1. I do not like either group of protestors or their methods.
 
Seattle Husker said:
You forgot to include Fox news:

Hillary certainly took at least a few statements out of context but nuclearizing Japan and South Korea was NOT one of them. By any measure his position at one time was that they should have their own nuclear weapons. He could have flip-flopped like on many issues but he certainly said they should have them.
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Thanks for proving my point. His point was that we would be better off with Japan and South Korea defending themselves with nuclear weapons than us providing protection for them from North Korea - who the Clintons allowed to develop nuclear weapons similarly to Obama's Iran deal.
 
theiioftx said:
Thanks for proving my point. His point was that we would be better off with Japan and South Korea defending themselves with nuclear weapons than us providing protection for them from North Korea - who the Clintons allowed to develop nuclear weapons similarly to Obama's Iran deal.
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Now I'm confused. Clinton said the passage below yesterday to which Trump said Clinton lied about his position on Japan. Who's lying here? It sounds like theiioftx and Clinton agreed with what Trump said originally yet now Trump is accusing you both of lying about what he clearly said.

Which Trump is to be believed? Or should we simply take his word when he throws the "liar" label around whether true or not?

And it’s no small thing when he suggests that America should withdraw our military support for Japan, encourage them to get nuclear weapons, and said this about a war between Japan and North Korea – and I quote – “If they do, they do. Good luck, enjoy yourself, folks.”
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Here's the transcript if you want to find other examples of HRC taking Trump out of context. I've read it and at first pass I can't find any based on memory. Sadly, Trump has said all those things.
 
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Seattle Husker said:
Now I'm confused. Clinton said the passage below yesterday to which Trump said Clinton lied about his position on Japan. Who's lying here? It sounds like theiioftx and Clinton agreed with what Trump said originally yet now Trump is accusing you both of lying about what he clearly said.

Which Trump is to be believed? Or should we simply take his word when he throws the "liar" label around whether true or not?



Here's the transcript if you want to find other examples of HRC taking Trump out of context. I've read it and at first pass I can't find any based on memory. Sadly, Trump has said all those things.
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Two different questions. One asked about proliferation of nuclear weapons and one asked about spending American dollars defending Japan and South Korea. However, keep up with the Rachel Maddow narrative.
 
Trump could not have been blessed with better enemies. Watching the videos of those protestors will turn off many independents that could have been swayed against Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump sends out supporters in the future with the purpose of getting attacked by these terrorists.
 
UTChE96 said:
Trump could not have been blessed with better enemies. Watching the videos of those protestors will turn off many independents that could have been swayed against Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump sends out supporters in the future with the purpose of getting attacked by these terrorists.
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It depends on how Trump behaves. If these thugs act like a less disciplined version of the Nazi SA (the Brownshirts as Joe called them) in the face of a fairly reasonable Trump, then I would agree. However, if he acts like the bombastic and nutty Trump we saw in the primary, then I think people will have a lot less outrage. Of course, them condemn violence, but they won't be horrified by it or they'll find moral equivalence between their violence and the violence displayed at Trump's rallies and sometimes with Trump's blessing
 
Agreed. I am pretty sure that these violent protestors will directionally help Trump, but how much remains to be seen. Trump would be wise to publicly condemn the violence and to try to appear more Presidential than he has in the past. Who knows what he will actually do. The guy is a complete crackpot.
 
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