Seattle Husker
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Trump clearly misspoke but this is damn funny: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politics/donald-trump-9-11-7-11-mix-buffalo/index.html
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It is funny, but it's also the only topic on which I can believe he's being sincere.
@Seattle Husker and @NJlonghorn, would this intrigue you at all? Personally, I'm not sure what I'd think. My initial reaction is that it would just make me respect Kasich a little less. However, if Kasich actually went along, it could signal a willingness on Trump's part to govern and to play ball as needed. As much as I detest Trump and his style, I would welcome that on a few things like public infrastructure (one of the few areas where I actually agree with Trump).
That's a good question. As big of a Kasich fan as I am, I'd never advocate this. It would basically nullify the entire primary and caucus system and enrage the base.
However, if the party went that route, they could choose a couple of options. They could try to appease the base. Trump won't play second fiddle, but perhaps Cruz might. Nevertheless, I'd try to go with someone who's in Cruz's camp but isn't damaged from a nasty presidential campaign. Sen. Mike Lee could be a superb pick.
They could also screw the base even harder and choose a true moderate Republican (such as Olympia Snowe or Christie Todd Whitman) and try to bust the Democrats' monopoly on the Northeast. They wouldn't carry New York or Massachusetts, but could they bring Maine, New Jersey, New Hampshire, and Connecticut into play? Perhaps.
NJlonghorn
2,500+ Posts
Anything that makes Trump's candidacy moe appealing and thus increases the odds he wins is a bad thing. I'd rather be pick Cruz, to ensure that he goes down in flames.
It would make me feel better, personally. I do not want a brokered convention for the same reasons as Mr. Deez, and others.
However, I don't see Kasich taking the VP position. When he has been asked, his reply of "no way" sounded completely serious. I can't imagine trying to work with Donald Trump.
The thought of swallowing my pride, and dealing with that ego is impossible for me to even consider. The VP will be doing all the work, with none of the control or power of the president.
If Kasich were to agree to a VP position, in my opinion, he 1) would be doing so in an attempt to salvage the party, the Presidency and the SCOTUS, 2) thinking ahead for the next Presidency.
At first I thought I would respect Kasich less, like the way I feel about Christie, but at this point, with a HC victory all but sewn up, I would respect him for taking one, an incredibly tough one, for the team and jumping on board.
It's the only way to defeat HC.
However, I don't see Kasich taking the VP position. When he has been asked, his reply of "no way" sounded completely serious. I can't imagine trying to work with Donald Trump.
The thought of swallowing my pride, and dealing with that ego is impossible for me to even consider. The VP will be doing all the work, with none of the control or power of the president.
If Kasich were to agree to a VP position, in my opinion, he 1) would be doing so in an attempt to salvage the party, the Presidency and the SCOTUS, 2) thinking ahead for the next Presidency.
At first I thought I would respect Kasich less, like the way I feel about Christie, but at this point, with a HC victory all but sewn up, I would respect him for taking one, an incredibly tough one, for the team and jumping on board.
It's the only way to defeat HC.
NJlonghorn
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It wouldn't surprise me if Kasich is one of the many Republicans who prefer Clinton over Trump. If I'm right about that, I doubt he'd put the Republcian "team" ahead of the USA "team".
I just can't bring myself to say that, and I do NOT like Trump but I'll not vote at all before I'll vote for Hillary, and in the end I guess I'd vote for Trump before I wouldn't vote at all.
Seattle Husker
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I think Trump would be such a poor POTUS that I can't imagine supporting any scenario which he's on the ticket. The same could be said for Cruz. I was on the fence with McCain/Obama until John added Palin to his ticket. Ideological extremists don't belong in the White House, IMHO. I don't consider Trump an ideologue, rather my real thoughts on him would validate the "Smugness on the Left" view. He's clearly a great businessman. The POTUS requires different skills entirely.
I identify with nash in that I just can't bring myself to say that I prefer Hillary Clinton to anybody. However, on the merits, I have to agree with SH and NJ. I cannot vote for Trump under any circumstances, and frankly, I'm embarrassed and ashamed that even toyed with the idea for a minute. As much as I like Kasich, being Trump's VP would not save the ticket for me. That leaves me voting third party as previously planned.
I bet they would not. You should read the article. Nothing about it fits you. You're not smug. You're not on the Left. Furthermore, intellectually you're miles above the people about whom it would apply.
I don't accept the premise that he's a great businessman. The four bankruptcies ruin that for me.
I bet they would not. You should read the article. Nothing about it fits you. You're not smug. You're not on the Left. Furthermore, intellectually you're miles above the people about whom it would apply.
I don't accept the premise that he's a great businessman. The four bankruptcies ruin that for me.
Joe Fan
10,000+ Posts
Sorry Canada but Lena Dunham has promised to leave the US for Canada if Trump wins.
Trump said, "Well, she's a B-actor. You know, she has no — you know, no mojo." But then he added "I heard Whoopi Goldberg too. That would be a great thing for our country."
Then it was pointed out Rosie O'Donnell has made the same threat, Trump said, "Now I have to get elected .... Now I have to get elected because I'll be doing a great service to our country."
Trump said, "Well, she's a B-actor. You know, she has no — you know, no mojo." But then he added "I heard Whoopi Goldberg too. That would be a great thing for our country."
Then it was pointed out Rosie O'Donnell has made the same threat, Trump said, "Now I have to get elected .... Now I have to get elected because I'll be doing a great service to our country."
Seattle Husker
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I'd agree if the consequences weren't so tragically serious of a Trump presidency.
majorwhiteapples
5,000+ Posts
I know of no Republican that would vote for Hillary, they have said they won't vote but not vote for Hillary. When they have to listen to her every day for 3-4 months, they will get on the Trump bandwagon. Right now the Democrats are getting second fiddle as Trump is way more entertaining, but when she takes center stage, Republicans will hold there nose and vote against Hillary. I have heard of many more Democrats not voting for Hillary than Republicans voting for Hillary.
Don't forget that Reagan and Bush were at each others throats and Reagan did the right thing with GWH.
Don't forget that Reagan and Bush were at each others throats and Reagan did the right thing with GWH.
I think were f'd either way.
ProdigalHorn
10,000+ Posts
Yeah I really don't see any road out of this election that goes well for anyone.
I only know one Republican who actually plans to vote for Hillary. The problem is that very few that I know affirmatively plan to vote for Trump. Most of them are planning to vote third party or to simply skip that race on the ballot altogether, and these aren't dumbasses who will change their minds after listening to Hillary. These are sharp people who have known about and have been following Hillary since 1992.
As for the 1980 comparison, Trump isn't Ronald Reagan.
Seattle Husker
10,000+ Posts
They both have experience in acting. The similarities start/end there though.
I try to find silver linings even in hurricanes and this one has had me stumped for months. I can't vote for any of the remaining candidates, even Kasich. It is sort of like the German elections in 1932: vote one way and you get Franz von Papen, who was really bad (we hanged him after the war) but vote the other way and you get Hitler. To me, Kasich is the von Papen in the race----he is sort of better than the others. Doesn't mean I will vote for him.
And I can't vote for either of my party's two candidates.
Silver lining: it will be fascinating to see how the sane leaders in the world try to work around the fact that Trump has a communications satchel always at hand that could blow up all of civilization (as we know it) How exciting will that be? Watching everybody twitch for four years will be most entertaining. It will be sort of like riding a roller coaster which you know is defective.
As for the Trump supporters I know, they remind me of the secessionists of 1861---people thinking clearly can see where this train is going but they aren't thinking clearly but are ruled by their passions and their ill thought out predilections. The train is headed for the ditch at full speed and they are firing up the boilers.
Gonna be an awesome ride. Glad I am old and don't have any kids.
And I can't vote for either of my party's two candidates.
Silver lining: it will be fascinating to see how the sane leaders in the world try to work around the fact that Trump has a communications satchel always at hand that could blow up all of civilization (as we know it) How exciting will that be? Watching everybody twitch for four years will be most entertaining. It will be sort of like riding a roller coaster which you know is defective.
As for the Trump supporters I know, they remind me of the secessionists of 1861---people thinking clearly can see where this train is going but they aren't thinking clearly but are ruled by their passions and their ill thought out predilections. The train is headed for the ditch at full speed and they are firing up the boilers.
Gonna be an awesome ride. Glad I am old and don't have any kids.
Seattle Husker
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Both frontrunners should be going to trial. Of course, nobody expects HRC to go to trial. With that said, Trump's had some pretty shady deals throughout his business career. They may be legal but ethically they likely wouldn't pass the sniff test for the independent voter.
Assuming this is so, wonder whom might be closest to any indictment, the one whose own party wants him out, or the one that seemingly is untouchable?
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