Trump!!!

I have to wonder if the lack of votes for Kasich is due to people feeling as if he is a "wasted vote", and folks are more interested in voting against someone than voting for someone.
 
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Joe Fan said:
If you take the time to dig into that poll, you will see that everyone's unfavorables were greater than their favorables. Except Kasich. My explanation for this is that he has been largely overshadowed by all the other candidates and is still largely unknown, outside Ohio. Further, once the rest of the nation gets to know him better, they will dislike him just as much as they do everyone else.
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Maybe, but I doubt it. He generally has not been a polarizing figure and has been well-liked. True, he's mostly known in Ohio, but if he was easy to demonize, Ohio Democrats would have been able to do that.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Maybe, but I doubt it. He generally has not been a polarizing figure and has been well-liked. True, he's mostly known in Ohio, but if he was easy to demonize, Ohio Democrats would have been able to do that.
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His name recognition is low. He has had little to no scrutiny.
And, if he somehow magically became the nominee, alot of people, who had never heard of him before, would suddenly hate him. And then the national media and Clinton-tricksters would jointly pile on. It would get ugly fast.
 
the "Chalking" has reached the College of William & Mary
(will they need counseling?)

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Seattle Husker said:
I'd likely vote for Paul Ryan over HRC. I like his fiscal responsibility and would hope he'd check his more conservative social views at the door.
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I'd prefer Kasich, but I'd vote for Ryan. I just don't see them nominating him. The ****-flingers are still angry at him about reaching a budget deal with congressional Democrats. I don't see them turning out for him.
 
Joe Fan said:
His name recognition is low. He has had little to no scrutiny.
And, if he somehow magically became the nominee, alot of people, who had never heard of him before, would suddenly hate him. And then the national media and Clinton-tricksters would jointly pile on. It would get ugly fast.
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I'm sure the Clinton tricksters would go after him as they'd go after anybody. After all, she wants to win the election. However, you describe him as though he's a first-term Loving County Commissioner. He's a two-term governor of one of the most important swing states in the country. He may not have gotten a lot of scrutiny at the national level because he's not a key candidate, but he has certainly gotten plenty at the state level. I doubt that the Ohio Democrats just let him unseat their incumbent in 2010 without any scrutiny.

And I'm under illusions about his chances to be the nominee. That's not going to happen. To the extent that he has a role in this race, it's to disrupt, not to win.
 
Seattle Husker said:
I'd likely vote for Paul Ryan over HRC. I like his fiscal responsibility and would hope he'd check his more conservative social views at the door.
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Serious inquiry for both you and @NJlonghorn - Why would you likely vote for Ryan over HRC? If I recall correctly, both of you voted for Obama in 2012 over the Romney/Ryan ticket, though not enthusiastically. What's the difference maker this time? Do you think Ryan is much better than Romney was (even with Ryan on the ticket)? Do you think HRC is much worse than Obama was? Would your choice be different if Sanders won the Democratic nomination? Is there something about the time and circumstances that makes you more receptive to voting Republican in 2016 than you were in 2012?

FYI - I'm not going to be critical of you either way. I'm just genuinely curious.
 
"Republicans are expected to win the White House under two economic models that have accurately forecast presidential elections for decades.

A third model run by Moody’s Analytics predicts Democrats will win the White House, in part because of President Obama’s rising approval rating.

The three models are being challenged like never before by the presence of GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump, whose campaign has shaken up politics.
Trump’s fights with Ted Cruz and his other GOP rivals have electrified his supporters but have turned off other voters. A Washington Post-ABC poll last week found that 67 percent of registered voters held an unfavorable view of the outspoken billionaire. That has given hope to Democrats that even with a weakened Hillary Clinton as their nominee, their party could cruise to victory.

“As economists this is a very unusual election and there’s a lot more uncertainty introduced this time around that could upset the balance and the historical relationship of how marginal voters vote,” said Dan White, an economist with Moody’s Analytics who oversees the firm’s monthly election model.

Ray Fair, a Yale professor who launched his model in 1978, told The Hill that while all elections include unruly features that an economic model can’t pick up, “this one seems particularly unusual.”

“If there’s any time in which personalities would trump the economy it would be this election,” Fair said. ....."
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/275084-models-predict-gop-white-house-even-with-trump
 
Mr. Deez said:
Serious inquiry for both you and @NJlonghorn - Why would you likely vote for Ryan over HRC? If I recall correctly, both of you voted for Obama in 2012 over the Romney/Ryan ticket, though not enthusiastically. What's the difference maker this time? Do you think Ryan is much better than Romney was (even with Ryan on the ticket)? Do you think HRC is much worse than Obama was? Would your choice be different if Sanders won the Democratic nomination? Is there something about the time and circumstances that makes you more receptive to voting Republican in 2016 than you were in 2012?

FYI - I'm not going to be critical of you either way. I'm just genuinely curious.
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For me, it is that HRC is worse than Obama. Way worse.

If it is Sanders vs Ryan, I'd probably vote for Sanders. Policywise, I'm miles away from both of them, so I'd favor the one less likely to have Congressional support for his agenda.
 
NJlonghorn said:
If it is Sanders vs Ryan, I'd probably vote for Sanders. Policywise, I'm miles away from both of them, so I'd favor the one less likely to have Congressional support for his agenda.
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Wow, just wow cause I cannot imagine Sanders as the President of the United States.
 
NJlonghorn said:
For me, it is that HRC is worse than Obama. Way worse.

If it is Sanders vs Ryan, I'd probably vote for Sanders. Policywise, I'm miles away from both of them, so I'd favor the one less likely to have Congressional support for his agenda.
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I'd agree. I don't see Obama as the travesty most on this board see him. Clinton on the other hand is not trustworthy. The email scandal is really concerning to me since she was clearly trying to evade Sunshine laws by having her own server. In this case, she put her own political aspirations above national security.

As much as I like Bernie's social message and agree with him that the system is rigged for the uber-wealthy, we simply can't afford his various programs. This is where my fiscally conservative values come in.

I do like Paul Ryan much better than Romney. If they were running against HRC I likely would have voted for them last election. I've stated previously, HRC ends up being my fallback vote should she go up against Trump or Cruz. The latter is incapable of separating his social views from his policy proposals and Trump is batshit crazy when put in the context of world leadership.
 
nashhorn said:
Wow, just wow cause I cannot imagine Sanders as the President of the United States.
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I'd vote Sanders over Trump or Cruz, in a heartbeat, only because the Republican alternatives would be so atrocious for various reasons that I couldn't remotely consider them.
 
Anybody voting for Obama then Sanders could never be considered anything but a bleeding heart liberal. Totally their choice and I respect it, but please no more pretending otherwise. Not you Husker, we all know where you stand politically.
 
Seattle Husker said:
I'd vote Sanders over Trump or Cruz, in a heartbeat, only because the Republican alternatives would be so atrocious for various reasons that I couldn't remotely consider them.
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The odds are high that either one of those will be the Repub nominee. If there is enough people like you to vote for Sanders, this country is not far from going down the tubes. With the $20T debt existing when BO leaves office, Sanders would literally carry socialism out the door with the future of this country. The only thing that might delay this is a ZERO interest rate continuation. There is no way that the Fed will be able to guarantee that with so much money being printed if Sanders gets his way. A loaf of bread could easily jump to $20 if other events in the world do not line up to prevent that. I do not buy it that Congress would raise taxes high enough to prevent it.

Soooo ........... , good luck with that vote.
 
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BevoBeef said:
...if Sanders gets his way...
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Even if elected President, Sanders wouldn't get his way. Maybe some of it, but not all or even most. If I thought that a Sanders presidency meant free everything for everyone, I'd be much more opposed to him than I am.

In contrast, if Ryan is elected President, he will pretty much have his way with the Congress. That doesn't sit well with me, given how far right he is -- roughly as far right as Sanders is far left.
 
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Anybody voting for Obama then Sanders could never be considered anything but a bleeding heart liberal.
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I love the logic! Anyone who faces a choice between a far-right conservative and a far-left liberal is automatically branded as either a far-right conservative or a far-left liberal based on which candidate the choose.

Romney is a conservative-but-not-quite-right-wing politician (rated 70% conservative on fiscal issues and 90% conservative on social issues by On the Issues). Obama is a liberal-but-not-quite-left-wing politician (rated 80% / 80%). I am much closer to the center than either of them, and my preference for Obama in 2012 was very narrow. In short, I supported him because I had no better choice, not because I thought he was a particularly good President.

A choice between Ryan and Sanders is even more polarized. Ryan is way right of Romney (rated 100% / 90% conservative) and Sanders is way left of Obama (rated 100% / 100% liberal). In the abstract, I'm not sure which I prefer, but the fact that the Congress leans way right means I'd prefer a president who is way left over one who is way right.
 
BevoBeef said:
The odds are high that either one of those will be the Repub nominee. If there is enough people like you to vote for Sanders, this country is not far from going down the tubes. With the $20T debt existing when BO leaves office, Sanders would literally carry socialism out the door with the future of this country. The only thing that might delay this is a ZERO interest rate continuation. There is no way that the Fed will be able to guarantee that with so much money being printed if Sanders gets his way. A loaf of bread could easily jump to $20 if other events in the world do not line up to prevent that. I do not buy it that Congress would raise taxes high enough to prevent it.

Soooo ........... , good luck with that vote.
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You apparently think Sanders would have more influence to push through his big $$$ initiatives than I do. I counting on Congress to restrain that spending. In this case, I'd be standing with the Tea Party. :)

Compare that to the irreparable harm that Trump could do to our nation on any number of fronts. Foreign Policy? He already has our allies openly saying WTF!! Maybe you are ready to piss away decades of foreign policy gains and influence but I don't think that makes us safer or helps us economically. Domestic policy? Seriously, what has Trump proposed? I'm going to make Apple, Carrier, etc. make their products in the US. Cut the EPA. cut the Education Department (pell grants too?). Crap like that plays well to the working class but is not a viable economic policy.

Don't get me started on Cruz. He lost me with his continual assertion that he's in the majority on all of his social views. I do like some of his fiscal responsibility. His I supported immigration reform before I didn't support it was the pinnacle of political opportunism. Honestly, he's too far right for nearly everything for me to support him.

I've already stated that I don't support Sanders but assuming neither will be able to get the support of congress, I'll take the liberal social views over the religious dogma.
 
NJlonghorn said:
In contrast, if Ryan is elected President, he will pretty much have his way with the Congress. That doesn't sit well with me, given how far right he is -- roughly as far right as Sanders is far left.
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There is one word that says Ryan will not be the presidential nominee. 40B
It is true that it has to be put into the rules again, but with most of the delegates there for Trump or the Cruise missile, it is unlikely to get watered down. It currently will rule out Ryan after the first ballot. See thiis video for detail. Particularly @ 1:35
 
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I love the logic! Anyone who faces a choice between a far-right conservative and a far-left liberal is automatically branded as either a far-right conservative or a far-left liberal based on which candidate the choose.

Romney is a conservative-but-not-quite-right-wing politician (rated 70% conservative on fiscal issues and 90% conservative on social issues by On the Issues). Obama is a liberal-but-not-quite-left-wing politician (rated 80% / 80%). I am much closer to the center than either of them, and my preference for Obama in 2012 was very narrow. In short, I supported him because I had no better choice, not because I thought he was a particularly good President.

A choice between Ryan and Sanders is even more polarized. Ryan is way right of Romney (rated 100% / 90% conservative) and Sanders is way left of Obama (rated 100% / 100% liberal). In the abstract, I'm not sure which I prefer, but the fact that the Congress leans way right means I'd prefer a president who is way left over one who is way right.
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Well my logic is as follows. First, Obama is slightly to the right of Sanders in reality. Like most politicians, he lied to get elected and re-elected. Remember his famous Joe Plumber admission or his whispering to Putin when he thought nobody was listening? Second, in both examples you chose the liberal or choose the liberal. My gosh, Sanders is honest, but he is socialist. If you quack like a duck and walk like a duck, you are a duck. And just because you are center of Hugo Chavez or Karl Marx, does not make you conservative.
 
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