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BevoBeef said:
There is one word that says Ryan will not be the presidential nominee. 40B
It is true that it has to be put into the rules again, but with most of the delegates there for Trump or the Cruise missile, it will not get watered down. It currently will rule out Ryan after the first ballot.
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I think the problem for them is that they actually want Ryan to remain as Speaker. The Speaker is for the entire House, not just part of it. Ryan is for amnesty and open borders. Working with Dems, he would be able to get amnesty through. If he were Pres instead, it would accomplish them nothing as amnesty would still get blocked in the House, as it was the last two times they almost got it through. For this reason alone, I think he stays where he is. They have a plan.
 
theiioftx said:
Well my logic is as follows. First, Obama is slightly to the right of Sanders in reality. Like most politicians, he lied to get elected and re-elected. Remember his famous Joe Plumber admission or his whispering to Putin when he thought nobody was listening?
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Obama leans heavily to the left, but he is nowhere near as far left as Sanders. Obama is a committed, mainstream liberal, while Sanders is way left of there. Just like Romney is a committed, mainstream conservative while Ryan is way right of there.

theiioftx said:
Second, in both examples you chose the liberal or choose the liberal. My gosh, Sanders is honest, but he is socialist. If you quack like a duck and walk like a duck, you are a duck.
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Yes, in the two examples you cite, I chose the liberal. But I don't always choose the liberal. How do you explain my preference of Kasich over everyone else in the field?

theiioftx said:
And just because you are center of Hugo Chavez or Karl Marx, does not make you conservative.
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I've never said I'm conservative.
 
theiioftx said:
Well my logic is as follows. First, Obama is slightly to the right of Sanders in reality. Like most politicians, he lied to get elected and re-elected. Remember his famous Joe Plumber admission or his whispering to Putin when he thought nobody was listening? Second, in both examples you chose the liberal or choose the liberal. My gosh, Sanders is honest, but he is socialist. If you quack like a duck and walk like a duck, you are a duck. And just because you are center of Hugo Chavez or Karl Marx, does not make you conservative.
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Agree with most of that. it's just like the poster who was convinced that the names the Obama people floated as SCOTUS nominees were "moderates." I guess they were moderates if you are coming from the perspective of a Marxist. I mean, hopefully those federal appellate judges had some minimal respect for property rights, which would be enough on it's own to anger them. In any event, in that case, it is pointless to argue.
 
NJlonghorn said:
Obama leans heavily to the left, but he is nowhere near as far left as Sanders. Obama is a committed, mainstream liberal, while Sanders is way left of there. Just like Romney is a committed, mainstream conservative while Ryan is way right of there.



Yes, in the two examples you cite, I chose the liberal. But I don't always choose the liberal. How do you explain my preference of Kasich over everyone else in the field?



I've never said I'm conservative.
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My error. Meant to say independent. And Kasich will not be the nominee. So basically you are saying three liberals - ultra liberals that is - in a row. Who was the last non liberal POTUS candidate you voted for?
 
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chango said:
What does it mean to be a "bleeding heart liberal"?
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You know what it means, but I am guessing you want to exploit my interpretation of it.

I see it as someone who is excessively liberal with a overstated view of how people are mistreated in society. Basically, someone with the political and social view that everyone who is not successful is not responsible for their own success or accountable for their own actions. The government is.

I do not mean it derogatory. The world needs bleeding heart liberals to counteract us heartless conservatives.
 
theiioftx said:
And Kasich will not be the nominee. So basically you are saying three liberals - ultra liberals that is - in a row. Who was the last non liberal POTUS candidate you voted for?
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Bush over Kerry in 2004.

I wish there were non-liberal candidates in the presidential election I could support. It isn't my fault that my preferred candidates keep getting beaten in the primaries (e.g., Kasich) or pulled way right in order to secure the nomination (e.g. Romney, McCain).
 
pulled way right in order to secure the nomination (e.g. Romney, McCain).
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What does that have to do with losing in the general? McCain and Romney lost because they were establishment guys who did not offer voters anything substantially different than the Dems.
 
Phil Elliott said:
What does that have to do with losing in the general? McCain and Romney lost because they were establishment guys who did not offer voters anything substantially different than the Dems.
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I didn't say anything about why McCain and Romney lost the general election. I was talking about my personal decision to support McCain early on in 2008 and Romney early on in 2012, and my abandonment of both when they veered sharply right to appeal to conservative voters.
 
I've read Will and admired his work since I was in high school and he wrote for Newsweek. He's more conservative than me, but he's thoughtful rather than instinctive. The animus towards Trump must invigorate Will, because his writing reminds me of the passion and cleverness he exhibited 30 years ago.
 
I didn't say anything about why McCain and Romney lost the general election. I was talking about my personal decision to support McCain early on in 2008 and Romney early on in 2012, and my abandonment of both when they veered sharply right to appeal to conservative voters.
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Thanks for the clarification. I thought you meant that was why they lost.
 
And so someone else came up with an alternative to that one^ except that this one is current and uses actual news ....

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Here is the audio of the Colorado Republican Party Chair (Steve House) back on August 11, at the Pueblo County GOP meeting.



“Do I think he’s going to be the nominee?
Absolutely not.”

“Do you know who he’s taking away votes from?
Ted Cruz. Right, Ted Cruz, right? Which is so hard to believe.”

“I think what happens to Donald Trump—with all due respect to a man who has made billions of dollars and had companies go bankrupt and recovered—is he’s going to get bored. He’s going to get bored. He’s going to get tired of the continuous questioneering and badgering.”

“I’m really looking forward to having Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina on the same stage. Because I think she will make him look bad. I really, really do.”
 
Edited film of Trump rally in Pittsburgh
Talks jobs, trade, steel and coal
AT ~ 8:30m mark, crowd forces him onto immigration

 
Joe Fan said:
"Trump campaign manager will not be prosecuted, sources say."
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State Attorney made it clear pretty quick that "this matter was never charged by this office"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/char...n-manager-corey-lewandowski/story?id=38399886

"...... "Our standard is higher than probable cause," Aronberg said.

It is clear that "Ms. Fields brushed or touched Mr. Trump's arm" which prompted him to "recoil," Aronberg said. At that point Lewandowski "reached forward and grabbed Ms. Fields' arm."

A Secret Service officer was standing directly behind Trump at the time of the incident and "appeared to show no concern to her actions," Aronberg explained.

Aronberg noted that Fields was "disappointed" with the decision. "She wanted the prosecution to go forward," he said.
 
More on the Fields/Lewandowski --

The photos of bruises on her arm may have been bogus.

"Assistant State’s Attorney Adrienne Ellis told reporters there were no photos of bruising on Michelle Fields’ phone.

‘The initial photos we received were a couple of days old because it was delayed reporting, obviously. And when I met with my detective in my office afterwards I asked him to reach out and see if he could obtain a photograph that would have been taken more closer in time. And she had taken a photograph on her iPhone that same evening and there was really nothing there."

 
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