Trump!!!
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I can't figure out what the gain is as far as adding her endorsement.
First off, is she even relevant anymore, beyond fodder for jokes?
Secondly, wouldn't this repel more people than it would attract? She is hardly a pillar of the religious extremists. Her daughter has had 2 kids out of wedlock, and her son was just arrested. How is she remotely a role model?
First off, is she even relevant anymore, beyond fodder for jokes?
Secondly, wouldn't this repel more people than it would attract? She is hardly a pillar of the religious extremists. Her daughter has had 2 kids out of wedlock, and her son was just arrested. How is she remotely a role model?
I can see the rationale on both ends. Low-information Republican women voters like her and care what she has to say. Furthermore, she has a massive social media following. As much as I wish she was irrelevant, she isn't. Trump is certainly happy to have her support.
And of course, nothing makes Palin happier than being in front of a camera and in the news, which explains why she's jumping on the Trump Train.
If you're on the right team, nobody cares if you're a hypocrite or if your personal or family life are a mess. People will come up with a reason to dismiss such issues, and it's usually because their contempt for the opposition trumps their own team's flaws, however extreme they may be. That's why liberal feminists never abandoned Bill Clinton. Based on personal conduct, I can't imagine someone having much less respect for women. However, he reliably carried the feminist policy agenda, and that's all that mattered.
Seattle Husker
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I was if only because I thought that the Tea Party would back Cruz. Now it's clear as day that Palin seeks only celebrity and is an ideologue opportunist.
That, what Deez said, is among my most frustrating truths of today's politics. That Bill and Hillary are personally culpable (might say moral trash) and Palin's issues are not her but instead in the 'family' nature yet seemingly hers are relevant when theirs are untouchable. Just don't see how the Clintons seem so above the fray.
When I opened Facebook this morning, I saw a dozen hostile mimes and caricatures of varying factual accuracy aimed at the Clintons. I wonder if some very real and troubling issues with the Clintons get ignored because the are packaged with made-up issues, half-truths and misinformation some Republican stalwarts say and echo?
Seattle Husker
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It's the partisan driven half-truths that drive me nuts. There is certainly validity to many of the accusations on the Clintons. Clearly they've attempted to obfuscate nearly every investigation. Of course, has there been any single couple that's been investigated more? Remember the Kenneth Star spent hundreds of millions to uncover a Bill Clinton affair.
HRC appears to have a cavalier approach to national information security in favor or her own information security. She should be held accountable for that. Unfortunately, much of the "aha" moments by rightwing sites borders on tabloid reporting rather than true prosecutorial offenses. The Benghazi stuff was on the level of the Kenneth Star investigation, a genuine politically motivated Salem Witch Hunt.
The Clintons are clearly not high moral people. There aren't many politicians that are.
HRC appears to have a cavalier approach to national information security in favor or her own information security. She should be held accountable for that. Unfortunately, much of the "aha" moments by rightwing sites borders on tabloid reporting rather than true prosecutorial offenses. The Benghazi stuff was on the level of the Kenneth Star investigation, a genuine politically motivated Salem Witch Hunt.
The Clintons are clearly not high moral people. There aren't many politicians that are.
I have heard of yellow dog democrats, but is there also monkey see monkey do democrats? My oh my, somebody drinks lots of dnc cool aid.
Seattle Husker
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Can I hand you a mirror?
When I'm talking about "half truths" this is the sort of thing I'm talking about.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/
Seattle Husker
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There are a million of those. My rightwing father used to send them to me. He stopped after I kept referring them to snopes and other similar sites. Many of the conservative sites pass off drivel like this as fact knowing there is a minority army ready to repeat it on facebook and other sites.
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The Clintons are continually being proven as liars. Hillary has now been proven to have not properly treated beyond classified documents. Yet the lap dogs come back with "everybody does it" and Ken Starr spent so much money. Blah blah blah.
Back to your mutual dnc love fest.
Back to your mutual dnc love fest.
I'm pretty sure SH, NJ and I have a pretty solid record of excoriating Hillary for her private email server, have expressed contempt for both Clintons' dishonesty and otherwise expressed doubts about her qualifications for high elective office. Theii -- you really should attend a Democrat lovefest. Honestly, there are folks that love the Clintons and curiously enough, the three of us don't really fit in there. But I guess you might have a hard time respecting folks that don't treat Brietbart as our source for honest, unbiased truth.
chango
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Honest question. Do you really consider yourself to be fair and impartial?
Seattle Husker
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zork
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Trump isn't running as a conservative as far as I see it. He is running as someone with a pulse, has a great business background with large numbers, has strong opinions which would be a great bully pulpit for America, while he doesn't speak softly his words would make America carry the big stick needed to deal with ISIS etc, and he isn't Hillary.
Jeb isn't a conservative nor were his brother or father. Christie isn't a conservative. Rubio isn't a conservative.
Walker was pretty close and was my first choice.
My only concern, stated back in June/July, was if Trump was serious or just trying to Perot the race again for the Clintons which he socialized with in NY. Right now it seems as if that is not the case.
As far as any maverick fears about Trump as President, we have the other two branches and the law to keep him in line and going down the path to business prosperity as well as defense(necessary modification to the process) from illegal immigration and terrorist immigration(rapefugee limiting).
I bet Trump knows how to handle classified documents safely as well. While certainly no prince, he doesn't appear to be telling calculated lies with every word he speaks like Hillary. He isn't a socialist like Saunders(who won't be the D nominee anyway).
Jeb isn't a conservative nor were his brother or father. Christie isn't a conservative. Rubio isn't a conservative.
Walker was pretty close and was my first choice.
My only concern, stated back in June/July, was if Trump was serious or just trying to Perot the race again for the Clintons which he socialized with in NY. Right now it seems as if that is not the case.
As far as any maverick fears about Trump as President, we have the other two branches and the law to keep him in line and going down the path to business prosperity as well as defense(necessary modification to the process) from illegal immigration and terrorist immigration(rapefugee limiting).
I bet Trump knows how to handle classified documents safely as well. While certainly no prince, he doesn't appear to be telling calculated lies with every word he speaks like Hillary. He isn't a socialist like Saunders(who won't be the D nominee anyway).
What exactly is the case that Christie and Rubio aren't conservatives? Was Ronald Reagan a conservative? In what issues do they disagree with him? John Kasich pushed through a balanced budget that cut taxes, reformed welfare, and increased defense spending. Are we now calling that liberalism?
zork
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none of them have a pulse more than their so called conservative bonafides. Christie repulses me. Rubio is ok and would make a fine VP as he seasons for his future.(as would Walker)
The Ivy League educated Trump looks to be the guy. Will the Conservatives embrace him or do they actually like him less than Hillary?
The Ivy League educated Trump looks to be the guy. Will the Conservatives embrace him or do they actually like him less than Hillary?
Those are essentially subjective feelings and conclusory statements. Do you have anything specific and objective?
Zork, I'm not blowing you off. I'm just super busy visiting family in Texas and driving between Dallas, Belton, Waco, and Austin, so I haven't had much time to sit down and give you specifics.
The short answer is that Kasich is my first choice. I'll give you an explanation asap.
zork
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I could like Kasich. But he was polling about 2-3% till just recently. That signals he is about to be left out of the race.
I was and still am a huge W supporter but don't think Jeb is needed or desirable at all. If you get the chance and have a free afternoon near SMU check out W's library. Pretty cool.
I was and still am a huge W supporter but don't think Jeb is needed or desirable at all. If you get the chance and have a free afternoon near SMU check out W's library. Pretty cool.
Fair yes, impartial no. Present logical arguments and I will listen. I am impartial to self accountability and limited government. I see government's role as protection from foreign forces and support for those who legitimately cannot care for themselves. I am a strict constitutionalist. I despise the current establishment of both republicans and especially the democrats.
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