But Trump must have had some outside non-Trump family investors to whom they showed the fraudulent statements (and induced them to invest, or maintain their investments)?
If that's not the case, then this doesn't seem to be such a big deal...
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If that's not the case, then this doesn't seem to be such a big deal...
Bigger picture Q: Why was he falsifying the records? For what purpose? Was it a tax cheating scheme?
Apparently that was not the case.
The record keeping Trump selected actually increased his taxes.
Why did he do it then? What was his motive?
And, without investors or the IRS being cheated, who was harmed?
Apparently no one. I haven’t looked at why one way record keeping was different than what was supposed to be done because it doesn’t matter.
Prosecutors allege Trump misrepresented payments to Cohen in Trump’s company records as legal fees when they were actually a reimbursement for the $130,000 that Cohen arranged to pay Daniels. The records at issue include general ledger entries, invoices and checks. Prosecutors argue Trump’s actions were a way of hiding the hush money scheme and concealing other crimes arising from it, including alleged election law violations. Trump denies the allegations. His lawyers have said the payments to Cohen were for legitimate legal expenses.
No, but we all know it's a witch hunt for which practically every politician could be convicted. I'm not saying it's ok, but if one then all.
I think because Trump paid out of his own pocket but recorded it as legal expense at Trump Org. So if Trump recorded it as a deduction for a personal payout for a contract, his taxes would be lower.
I thought you said it increased his taxes. So, I guess you're saying it increased his personal taxes. I was focusing on the entity that paid Cohen. It was recorded as an expense. That is a deduction. That lowers taxes.
It became a felony because it was in two parts:
1) The falsification of business records.
2) The falsification was intended to commit a crime: influence the election.
Trump Org wasn’t charged. Go after the Trump Org then.
I believe 1) and 2) happened after the election. So how is this possible? Again circular reasoning or double jeopardy.
If senior management directs the criminal behavior then they must be liable for this. I would certainly hope so.
Influencing an election is not a crime. As I said before, that's exactly what campaigns and candidates attempt to do: influence an election in their favor.
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I heard a good analysis of this case. Lawyer said that falsifying business records is a misdemeanor unless the falsification was done to perform another crime. Then the record falsification becomes a felony.
In the Trump case the other crime was never defined. It was just assumed by the judge that there was another crime and he told the jury to think of it on those terms. They didn't have to explain what the other crime was or prove that it was in fact a crime. Then the judge didn't allow the defense to argue against there being another crime.
The judge instructed the jury to assume guilt from the start with no consideration that Trump could possibly be innocent of the crime. The misdemeanor he did commit requires a small fine as a consequence.
This was a Soviet show trial on American soil. This is the same group of people causing inflation, forcing obeisance to Pride Month, ending peace negotiations for Ukraine, bailing out Antifa and keeping them from being convicted of any crimes, releasing violent felons from prison, forcing in mass immigration to destroy American culture, regulating every single business to the point it is hard to stay open, rewarding psycohpathic people like Fauci, and giving weapons to Israel to, now, bomb a refugee camp.
I for one support none of it.
In the Trump case the other crime was never defined. It was just assumed by the judge that there was another crime and he told the jury to think of it on those terms. They didn't have to explain what the other crime was or prove that it was in fact a crime. Then the judge didn't allow the defense to argue against there being another crime.
The judge instructed the jury to assume guilt from the start with no consideration that Trump could possibly be innocent of the crime. The misdemeanor he did commit requires a small fine as a consequence.
This was a Soviet show trial on American soil. This is the same group of people causing inflation, forcing obeisance to Pride Month, ending peace negotiations for Ukraine, bailing out Antifa and keeping them from being convicted of any crimes, releasing violent felons from prison, forcing in mass immigration to destroy American culture, regulating every single business to the point it is hard to stay open, rewarding psycohpathic people like Fauci, and giving weapons to Israel to, now, bomb a refugee camp.
I for one support none of it.
If you think the CEO of any organization makes journal entries, you really don’t know anything about how businesses operate.
Of course they don't. But they can and have DIRECTED someone to do it.
All NDA agreements are booked as legal expense which is what Trump was found guilty of.
It is my understanding, Trump, as CEO (or whatever his title was; I assume he was i senior executive) directed his accounting team to make a payment and a business/tax deduction for a personal problem. The NDA agreement should have been written with Stormy and Trump as the parties to the agreement. Was it done that way?
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He just got convicted for having false entries made. (Of course Trump didn't get behind a computer screen and physically type the entries in himself--he had someone else do it). So why did he do it?
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Not a lawyer or a judge but that is just wrong.
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