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Mr. Deez said:
Yep, like I've said before, the self-loathing white liberal is the most obnoxious demographic group, because of the sanctimony.
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Totally agree. The sanctimony is laid on with a trowel (as Benjamin Disraeli said about how much flattery you should lay upon royalty). It takes a special kind of arrogance to master that level of judgmental hypocrisy.
 
I suppose this could be posted on a couple of threads here... I have a friend of a friend on FB who posted a fact v myth paper about immigration from a professor at Cal State Fullerton.

https://www.facebook.com/MIchelle.Martin15?fref=mentions

Now you talk about sanctimony. Wow! And she is a professor in the classroom. Bias? Facts?

The paper of course attacked all assumptions supporting Trump's policy. That same professor posted this on her page with several hand-clap emoji's:

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Irony is a lost art at the NYT
They actually accuse a competitor of acting "more as a political supporter than as a news organization."
This is coming from the New York Times

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bystander said:
I suppose this could be posted on a couple of threads here... I have a friend of a friend on FB who posted a fact v myth paper about immigration from a professor at Cal State Fullerton.

https://www.facebook.com/MIchelle.Martin15?fref=mentions

Now you talk about sanctimony. Wow! And she is a professor in the classroom. Bias? Facts?

The paper of course attacked all assumptions supporting Trump's policy. That same professor posted this on her page with several hand-clap emoji's:

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Did you date that gal?
 
A BBC host took Spicer to task for his performance as WH Press Secretary. I'd agree with the sentiment but not sure that should be the platform. Then again, I'm not familiar with this program. My only hope is that it was not pitched as news but rather commentary.

BBC's Emily Maitlis on Tuesday confronted former White House press secretary Sean Spicer, arguing that his actions while serving as the top spokesman for President Trump "corrupted discourse for the entire world by going along with" the president's lies.
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I think it's great that now that Trump is in the White House, the press secretary's job is now to "fact check" the president's releases. That's never been true, and never been expected until now.

Do you really believe that Spicer or Sanders are doing anything other than just spitting out the story they're told, and then doing their best to defend that position? If you start making it part of a press secretary's job to confirm, corroborate, and correct presidential statements, you're going to start having press conferences with an empty podium and a twitter feed serving as moderator.
 
ProdigalHorn said:
I think it's great that now that Trump is in the White House, the press secretary's job is now to "fact check" the president's releases. That's never been true, and never been expected until now.

Do you really believe that Spicer or Sanders are doing anything other than just spitting out the story they're told, and then doing their best to defend that position? If you start making it part of a press secretary's job to confirm, corroborate, and correct presidential statements, you're going to start having press conferences with an empty podium and a twitter feed serving as moderator.
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I've always seen the Press Secretary as the spin doctor for the POTUS. Spinning is to be expected. Spinning typically encompasses pointing out the facts that support the Administrations position and side-stepping facts that don't. What has the media in a tizzy it outright fabrication of facts or statements that aren't supported by any known facts. When that occurs the Press Secretary has moved from spinning to lying.
 
Seattle Husker said:
I've always seen the Press Secretary as the spin doctor for the POTUS. Spinning is to be expected. Spinning typically encompasses pointing out the facts that support the Administrations position and side-stepping facts that don't. What has the media in a tizzy it outright fabrication of facts or statements that aren't supported by any known facts. When that occurs the Press Secretary has moved from spinning to lying.
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Gibbs lied his *** off for Obama on a daily basis. What has the media in a tizzy is that a republican and on top of that it's Donald Trump in office. Don't you see how everything is being blown out of proportion from day to day?
 
" What has the media in a tizzy it outright fabrication of facts or statements that aren't supported by any known facts."

Should there be any tizzy when the Media does it?
Like say just today onthe report You posted on the WH deliberately omitting part of a news conference?
 
Horn6721 said:
" What has the media in a tizzy it outright fabrication of facts or statements that aren't supported by any known facts."

Should there be any tizzy when the Media does it?
Like say just today onthe report You posted on the WH deliberately omitting part of a news conference?
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This is one thing that I've been harping to SH that he refuses to believe in: The mainstream media produces a lot of fake news.
 
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Did Obama's press secretaries repeat, "if you like your healthcare plan . . .?" I honestly don't know, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't.
 
Horn6721 said:
" What has the media in a tizzy it outright fabrication of facts or statements that aren't supported by any known facts."

Should there be any tizzy when the Media does it?
Like say just today onthe report You posted on the WH deliberately omitting part of a news conference?
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Just read this that explains the differences in the feeds. According to the WaPo analysis it only appeared to be missing due to different sources of feeds and left/right channels. I'd hope that MSNBC would correct their reporting. It's good that the media checked itself.

Now...back to the primary subject.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Did Obama's press secretaries repeat, "if you like your healthcare plan . . .?" I honestly don't know, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't.
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I too would be surprised. Still, at some point in time one has to evaluate the proportionality of statements that are patently untrue.
 
Seattle Husker said:
I too would be surprised. Still, at some point in time one has to evaluate the proportionality of statements that are patently untrue.
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Plenty of patently untrue things came out of the Obama White House, and they were usually more consequential than the patently untrue things that come from the Trump White House. Trump tells more lies, but Obama told bigger lies.

To the media, "my inauguration crowd was the biggest" was a huge crisis. To the public, the health insurance lie (keep your plan, your doctor, and save $2,400 per year) to be the bigger deal. To them, the inauguration lie was like a drunk 23 year old claiming his junk is 14 inches long and that he got double teamed by cheerleaders the night before. They rolled their eyes and thought, "sure, buddy. Slow down on the Keystone." But they basically dismissed it as trash talk not to be taken seriously. They viewed Obama's lie to be more like a car salesman telling them the car they're about to buy will last 150K miles when he knows its engine has a blown head gasket.
 
Here is Obama having a reporter removed for interrupting him "in his house." Notice the press claps wildly, even starts chanting Obama's name while the reporter is being removed. It's crazy.
He was yelling "NO MORE DEPORTATIONS"

Quite the difference

 
This was in 2009 -- a black female reporter was dragged "kicking and screaming" from Obama’s Air Force One.
No outrage about the First Amendment.
Why is that?

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The faux outrage over this "banning" is such nonsense. I can't believe even the Fox News people are backing CNN. Well, CNN backed Fox when Obama went after it, so it's returning the favor I guess. Nonetheless, while it may be accepted practice to yell questions to the President, it is not proper protocol to do it in the Oval Office, which is where this occurred. That is why she was not invited to the Rose Garden presser. CNN wasn't banned and neither is this reporter. She simply was punished for going against the Oval Office protocol. A shame that even Fox News won't tell you that since they feel they owe CNN a favor apparently.
 
horninchicago said:
The faux outrage over this "banning" is such nonsense. I can't believe even the Fox News people are backing CNN. Well, CNN backed Fox when Obama went after it, so it's returning the favor I guess. Nonetheless, while it may be accepted practice to yell questions to the President, it is not proper protocol to do it in the Oval Office, which is where this occurred. That is why she was not invited to the Rose Garden presser. CNN wasn't banned and neither is this reporter. She simply was punished for going against the Oval Office protocol. A shame that even Fox News won't tell you that since they feel they owe CNN a favor apparently.
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The reporter was acting as a pool reporter thus they were there representing the major networks, including Fox News. The "is not proper protocol to do it in the Oval office"...is that true? Since when? Since they've allowed the press into the Oval Office for photo ops reporters have been shouting questions.
 
SH; The "is not proper protocol to do it in the Oval office"...is that true? Since when? Since they've allowed the press into the Oval Office for photo ops reporters have been shouting questions.

Really SH
Can you provide a source or a vid showing reporters shouting questions in the Oval Office?
 
Horn6721 said:
SH; The "is not proper protocol to do it in the Oval office"...is that true? Since when? Since they've allowed the press into the Oval Office for photo ops reporters have been shouting questions.

Really SH
Can you provide a source or a vid showing reporters shouting questions in the Oval Office?
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Google doesn't work for you? This came up in the first few links of search for me. There are many more if you search for specific POTUS names.
 
SH?
What is that link?
It did not have any names of other POTUS who were shouted at in Oval office Presser.
Your link comes up with the presser with Trump and Macron which took place in the East Room , not the oval office.
 
Horn6721 said:
SH?
What is that link?
It did not have any names of other POTUS who were shouted at in Oval office Presser.
Your link comes up with the presser with Trump and Macron which took place in the East Room , not the oval office.
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A few points:
1. I don't have the time nor inclination to prove a point false that wasn't supported with facts to begin with. There is a significant volume of videos of reporters asking questions during photo ops for multiple POTUS.
2. Given FoxNews joined the chorus of criticism should be a clue to Trump supporters.
3. This is a dumb issue. Trump didn't like the question which was pertinent given the days news which is why he excluded this journalist.
4. The "decorum" argument is as stupid as Mexico will pay for the wall or free college can be paid for by taxing the top 1%.
 
You think it's dumb because you are wrong. The "banning" was due to Oval Office questions being shouted. That is against protocol. Come up with videos of multiple questions from the same reporter being shouted, in the Oval Office, to any President.
 
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