The Media Industry

[Horn6721]

Husker
You make no sense. You say you have confidence in Coney to vet these refugees
You realize the bold words in quotes are your boy admitting there is no data with which to vet?
Your cutesy remark aside how should the USA vet these People?
Take the refugees word for it?
BTW did you Google what second generation American means

 

[Seattle Husker]

Husker
You make no sense. You say you have confidence in Coney to vet these refugees
You realize the bold words in quotes are your boy admitting there is no data with which to vet?
Your cutesy remark aside how should the USA vet these People?
Take the refugees word for it?
BTW did you Google what second generation American means

We've been over this. I've posted Comey's quote multiple times that he has full confidence in our vetting process. There are ~15-20 process steps in the vetting process and you're screaming "what about #3!!!" The vetting process is the totality of all the steps of which having a history of their identity is only one, albeit important step.

Please continue on to debate first/second generation immigration status and a specific step in the lengthy immigration status. The colloquialism "can't see the forest through the trees" comes to mind.

 

[Horn6721]

Husker
Maybe I do not understand the whole process. You say there are several steps. Can you explain some of the steps that we use to make sure they are who they say they are without verifiable Data?
This is a serious question. How do we make sure that person is who they say they Are?
Trying to deflect will not change that you did not know what second generation American means when you said the Tsarnov brothers were.

 

[I35]

They are tragic stories that we need to understand better to combat radicalization.

Remember the reference from Trump's oldest son about the bowl of skittles? Would you take a few skittles out of a full bowl to eat knowing one of them were poison? So really I don't give a damn how many skittles are in the bowl, I'm not eating any. I'm not going to take a chance. Would you? You can talk till your blue about the successful Muslims that have came here, but if you knew if one would get through the vetting (which they will) and that it would be a child of yours that would be their first victim, would you still have confidence in the vetting system know it's your child that dies if you're wrong? Again your logic is unexplainable. I seriously believe you will argue for your party no matter how wrong you know you are. There is no other explanation. Did you use to go by Roger35?

None of what you just wrote had anything to do with Russia's use of what they learned from hacking, the point you keep missing. In turn, I'll the rambling passage simmer on its own.

It has everything to do with Hillary and her people not protecting our cyber security. Her right hand man had his password as "password." Yes, it's Russia's fault that Trump won.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Husker
Maybe I do not understand the whole process. You say there are several steps. Can you explain some of the steps that we use to make sure they are who they say they are without verifiable Data?
This is a serious question. How do we make sure that person is who they say they Are?
Trying to deflect will not change that you did not know what second generation American means when you said the Tsarnov brothers were.

First, Omar Mateen can be defined as a 2nd generation and I thought the Tsarnaev brothers were born her after their parents immigrated. Not knowing that detail was my error.

In another thread I posted a visual of the process steps per INS. I no longer have the energy or interest to rehash the same arguments that you didn't previously address solely focusing on the singular issue of country of origin identity.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Remember the reference from Trump's oldest son about the bowl of skittles? Would you take a few skittles out of a full bowl to eat knowing one of them were poison? So really I don't give a damn how many skittles are in the bowl, I'm not eating any. I'm not going to take a chance. Would you? You can talk till your blue about the successful Muslims that have came here, but if you knew if one would get through the vetting (which they will) and that it would be a child of yours that would be their first victim, would you still have confidence in the vetting system know it's your child that dies if you're wrong? Again your logic is unexplainable. I seriously believe you will argue for your party no matter how wrong you know you are. There is no other explanation. Did you use to go by Roger35?

We are not talking about Skittles though. If you were told that one was poison and another was the cure to cancer would you throw out the bowl? I guess you'd say "yes". How 'bout if in that immigrant group is Albert Einstien, Madeleine Albright or some future impactful immigrant. Yes, I'll take my chances while looking for ways to improve the vetting process.

It has everything to do with Hillary and her people not protecting our cyber security. Her right hand man had his password as "password." Yes, it's Russia's fault that Trump won.

Jeezus...the "passw0rd" was the laptop password, not his email. You do know that right? We're not even talking about the same issue. You are arguing with yourself. Hillary was a crappy candidate. Podesta and DNC didn't focus enough on cyber security. Neither of those things matter when discussing Russia's attempt not just consume the intel they gleaned but rather stepping up the aggression in the form of a propaganda and influence campaign. It's the latter point that we are debating while you continue to conflate HRC as a candidate which nobody is denying.

 

[I35]

If you were told that one was poison and another was the cure to cancer would you throw out the bowl?

I can name the poison. That's the terrorist that get through the vetting process. What the hell are you talking about in regards to being the cure to Cancer? There isn't any equivalence to the cure cancer by letting unknown refugees come in. In other words there is poison skittles but there isn't any skittle that will cure cancel. You sure like trying to move the goal post don't you. There's that great logic you have again.

 

[Seattle Husker]

I can name the poison. That's the terrorist that get through the vetting process. What the hell are you talking about in regards to being the cure to Cancer? There isn't any equivalence to the cure cancer by letting unknown refugees come in. In other words there is poison skittles but there isn't any skittle that will cure cancel. You sure like trying to move the goal post don't you. There's that great logic you have again.

You don't know that one of those refugees or one of their kids could potentially change the world. The janitor at my wife's middle school is Filipino. He's a 1st generation immigrant. Right now, he has a daughter at MIT and a son that started in the Fall at Stanford. Those kids are extremely hard working like their dad who works during the day at the middle school then the HS 5 nights a week. From my experience, work ethic is a common trait among most immigrants with a few exceptions. Those kids are the "cure for cancer" in the skittles analogy. That's not moving the goalpost but rather a recognition that there are positive potential within these groups of immigrants too which isn't being acknowledged. Based on what I've read, education and skills are contributing factors in weighing where an an immigrant sits on the priority list.

 

[ShAArk92]

SH ... the issue for me is that these refugees can have their needs attended in their own country. We have NO NEED to bring them here and give them "effective citizenship" ... and certainly not when we KNOW that medium will be/has been used to infiltrate our society with fundamental muslims.(Gold Star Khan?)

If you COULD tell me your panacea person lies within this group of refugees ... I'd STILL oppose it based upon our need.

Does this nation NEED the refugees for its function? NO ... Our moral standard is to help them in their need. Doing that doesn't require us to immigrate them here. I don't understand the difficulty in seeing the threat.

 

[iatrogenic]

You don't know that one of those refugees or one of their kids could potentially change the world

Are you referring to the Boston Marathon bombers?

 

[Seattle Husker]

SH ... the issue for me is that these refugees can have their needs attended in their own country. We have NO NEED to bring them here and give them "effective citizenship" ... and certainly not when we KNOW that medium will be/has been used to infiltrate our society with fundamental muslims.(Gold Star Khan?)

If you COULD tell me your panacea person lies within this group of refugees ... I'd STILL oppose it based upon our need.

Does this nation NEED the refugees for its function? NO ... Our moral standard is to help them in their need. Doing that doesn't require us to immigrate them here. I don't understand the difficulty in seeing the threat.

I subscribe to the Colin Powell "Pottery Barn" doctrine. If you break it you buy it. We really ****** up the ME with Gulf War 2. That started this mess. I also believe that it's in our best interest not to keep millions of Muslim individuals perpetually in refugee camps for decades. That would become more of a threat than indoctrinating a vetted subset in American culture.

 

[ShAArk92]

yeah, except that the ME has been broken for a lot longer than our involvement. So we selectively self-loath and blame ourselves? Bringing 'em here is NOT the right answer.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

If there is a chance 1 slips through then we should reject all 10k refugees. I think the risk is worth it.

Ask the good people of San Bernardino if it is worth it.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Some missives of the unbiased media on President Obama over the past several years:

“Obama is a rock star,” NBC’s Andrea Mitchell exclaimed during MSNBC’s live convention coverage back on July 27, 2004. The next morning, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos echoed Mitchell’s enthusiasm: “He’s the Tiger Woods of the Democratic Party right now.”
When Obama ran for President four years later, news reporters led the cheers. “It’s almost hard to remain objective because it’s infectious, the energy, I think,” then-NBC reporter Lee Cowan confessed in an MSNBC.com video posted January 7, 2008. On CNN a few days later, Politico editor John Harris admitted: “A couple years ago, you would send a reporter out with Obama, and it was like they needed to go through detox when they came back — ‘Oh, he’s so impressive, he’s so charismatic,’ and we’re kind of like, ‘Down, boy.’”

“Obama seemed the political equivalent of a rainbow — a sudden preternatural event inspiring awe and ecstasy....He transcends the racial divide so effortlessly that it seems reasonable to expect that he can bridge all the other divisions — and answer all the impossible questions — plaguing American public life.”
— Time’s Joe Klein, October 23, 2006 cover story, “Why Barack Obama Could Be the Next President.”

“Many people, afterwards [after Obama’s 2004 convention speech], they weren’t sure how to pronounce your name but they were moved by you. People were crying. You tapped into something. You touched people....If your party says to you, ‘We need you,’ and, and there’s already a drumbeat out there, will you respond?”
— Co-host Meredith Vieira to Obama on NBC’s Today, October 19, 2006.

“You can see it in the crowds. The thrill, the hope. How they surge toward him. You’re looking at an American political phenomenon....He inspires the party faithful and many others, like no one else on the scene today....And the question you can sense on everyone’s mind, as they listen so intently to him, is he the one? Is Barack Obama the man, the black man, who could lead the Democrats back to the White House and maybe even unite the country?...Everywhere he goes, people want him to run for President, especially in Iowa, cradle of presidential contenders. Around here, they’re even naming babies after him.”
— Co-anchor Terry Moran on ABC’s Nightline, November 6, 2006.

Co-anchor Chris Matthews: “I have to tell you, you know, it’s part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama’s speech. My — I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often.”
Co-anchor Keith Olbermann: “Steady.”
Matthews: “No, seriously. It’s a dramatic event. He speaks about America in a way that has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the feeling we have about our country. And that is an objective assessment.”
— Exchange during MSNBC’s coverage of the Virginia, Maryland, and Washington D.C. primaries, February 12, 2008.

“On the bus ride along the snowy road to Lebanon, New Hampshire, I showed him this week’s Newsweek, hot off the presses. [to Obama] How does this feel, of all the honors that have come your way, all the publicity?...Who does it make you think of? Is there, is there a loved one?”
— NBC’s Brian Williams on the January 7, 2008 Nightly News.

“Presidential campaigns have destroyed many bright and capable politicians. But there’s ample evidence that Obama is something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a message of hope that somehow doesn’t sound Pollyannaish.”
— AP writer Charles Babington in a May 10, 2008 dispatch.

“Some princes are born in palaces. Some are born in mangers. But a few are born in the imagination, out of scraps of history and hope....Barack Hussein Obama did not win because of the color of his skin. Nor did he win in spite of it. He won because at a very dangerous moment in the life of a still young country, more people than have ever spoken before came together to try to save it. And that was a victory all its own.”
— Time’s Nancy Gibbs in the November 17, 2008 post-election cover story.

“Between workouts during his Hawaii vacation this week, he was photographed looking like the paradigm of a new kind of presidential fitness, one geared less toward preventing heart attacks than winning swimsuit competitions. The sun glinted off chiseled pectorals sculpted during four weightlifting sessions each week, and a body toned by regular treadmill runs and basketball games.”
— Washington Post reporter Eli Saslow in a December 25, 2008 front-page story about Obama’s vacation fitness regimen.

“By now we are all accustomed to that Obi-Wan Kenobi calm....[But] what now seems most salient about Obama is the opposite of flashy, the antithesis of rhetoric: he gets things done. He is a man about his business — a Mr. Fix It going to Washington....Spare us the dead-or-alive bravado, the gates-of-hell bluster, the melodrama of the 3 a.m. phone call. A door swung open for a candidate who would merely stand and deliver....In the land of the hapless, the competent man is king.”
— Editor-at-large David von Drehle in his cover story announcing Obama as Time’s “Man of the Year,” December 29, 2008 issue.

“I like to say that, in some ways, Barack Obama is the first President since George Washington to be taking a step down into the Oval Office. I mean, from visionary leader of a giant movement, now he’s got an executive position that he has to perform in, in a way.”
— ABC News correspondent Terry Moran to Media Bistro’s Steve Krakauer in a February 20, 2009 “Morning Media Menu” podcast.

“People who brief him say he is able to game out scenarios before the experts in the room, even on foreign policy, national security and other issues in which he had relatively little expertise before running for president. Obama is approaching the issues as a game of ‘three-dimensional chess,’ said John O. Brennan, an assistant to the President for homeland security and counterterrorism. ‘It’s not kinetic checkers....There are moves that are made on the chess board that really have implications, so the President is always looking at those dimensions of it.’”
— Carrie Johnson and Anne E. Kornblut in a front-page Washington Post story, August 28, 2009.

“It is impossible to write about Nelson Mandela these days and not compare him to another potentially transformational black leader, Barack Obama. The parallels are many....And while it took twenty-seven years in prison to mold the Nelson Mandela we know, the forty-eight-year-old American president seems to have achieved a Mandela-like temperament without the long years of sacrifice....Whatever Mandela may or may not think of the new American President, Obama is in many ways his true successor on the world stage.”
— From Time managing editor Richard Stengel’s introduction to his new self-help book, Mandela’s Way: Fifteen Lessons on Life, Love, and Courage, quoted by Politico’s Mike Allen in a March 30, 2010 Web posting.

“Can we just enjoy Obama for a moment? Before the policy choices have to be weighed and the hard decisions have to be made, can we just take a month or two to contemplate him the way we might contemplate a painting by Vermeer or a guitar lick by the early-seventies Rolling Stones or a Peyton Manning pass or any other astounding, ecstatic human achievement? Because twenty years from now, we’re going to look back on this time as a glorious idyll in American politics, with a confident, intelligent, fascinating president riding the surge of his prodigious talents from triumph to triumph....Barack Obama is developing into what Hegel called a ‘world-historical soul,’ an embodiment of the spirit of the times. He is what we hope we can be.”
— Esquire’s Stephen Marche in a column for the magazine’s August 2011 issue: “How Can We Not Love Obama? Because Like It or Not, He Is All of Us.”

“When you watch the President like that, I always feel he’s got so many pluses, doesn’t he? In a sense, he’s personable, he’s handsome, he can be funny. You know, abroad he has this great image for America. A lot of things are just perfect about Barack Obama.”
— Host Piers Morgan to Obama strategist David Axelrod on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight, December 5, 2011.

“This guy’s done everything right. He’s raised his family right. He’s fought his way all the way to the top of the Harvard Law Review, in a blind test becomes head of the Review, the top editor there. Everything he’s done is clean as a whistle. He’s never not only broken any law, he’s never done anything wrong. He’s the perfect father, the perfect husband, the perfect American. And all they do is trash the guy.”
— MSNBC’s Chris Matthews talking about President Obama on Hardball, July 17, 2012.

The New Yorker’s David Remnick: “The fact that this country didn’t fall into a depression, an economic depression, which it could easily have done; the fact that we are out of Iraq, for all the problems in Iraq, getting there in Afghanistan; the auto industry saved; gay rights more and more ensured, not without help from the President of the United States; the fact that there’s been no scandal, major scandal, in this administration, which is a rare thing in an administration; the fact that science is now discussed as science; the fact that climate change, however woefully inadequate the measures for it, is now-”
Host Charlie Rose: “Does this measure up to greatness for you?”
Remnick: “Well, let’s wait ‘til the end....[But] I think those achievements are huge.”
— PBS’s Charlie Rose, January 20, 2014, talking about Remnick’s cover story on Obama’s presidency.

“We don’t know if the Iran deal is going to work. If it does, it will be the major foreign policy achievement, not only of this presidency, but of this American generation. At which point, people in the not-too-distant future will look back at this presidency, they’ll look back at this President and they’ll say, ‘Oh, of course they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize. Of course they did.’”
— Host Rachel Maddow on her eponymous MSNBC show, July 14, 2015.

“Americans are lucky to have Barack Obama as President and we should wake up and appreciate it while we can. President Obama will go down in history as an extraordinary president, probably a great one....Many Presidents fared better in history than in office. But it would be a morale booster and a sign of civic maturity if more Americans appreciated what an exceptional President they have right now. It could be a long wait for the next one.”
— Washington Bureau Chief for Scripps News and former CBS News producer Dick Meyer, in a July 16, 2015 Decode DC op-ed titled: “Mr. President, on behalf of an ungrateful nation, thank you.”

PBS’s Charlie Rose: “I want to raise two big issues about him that are fascinating to me and, Jon, all of you. How smart is he? What’s the sense of — is he one of our brightest presidents?”
Longtime Newsweek editor Jon Meacham: “I think so, absolutely. I think so, and I think it has all of the pluses and minuses of that.
Rose: “I’m asking from a real standpoint.”
Meacham: “It’s a keen analytical intelligence.”
— Exchange on Charlie Rose, January 12, 2016.

“Wait. One of the Greatest?...Like 20-Dollar Bill great? Like Mount Rushmore great? Yep. (We just won’t build Mount Rushmores anymore.) In so many ways, Obama was better than we imagined, better than the body politic deserved, and far, far better than his enemies will ever concede.... We’ll look back at history, hopefully when we’re zooming down the Barack Obama Hyperloop Transport System, and think: That man was rare. And we were damn lucky to have him.”
— GQ editor-in-chief Jim Nelson in an April 14, 2016 online article “Why Obama Will Go Down as One of the Greatest Presidents of All Time: Already missing our soon-to-be-former POTUS.”

“Really, has there been any President cooler than Obama?”
— May 10, 2016 tweet from Newsweek’s official Twitter account, plugging an online piece on whether Barack Obama is “the first pop culture President.”

“[Barack Obama] invoked the audacity of hope, all of the spirit, all of the creativity of his own brilliant speech writing....I don’t think we’ve ever had a President, save Lincoln, who is as great a speechwriter as this man.”
— Correspondent Andrea Mitchell following Barack Obama’s speech as aired on MSNBC’s live Democratic convention coverage, July 27, 2016.

“It’s hard, frankly, to stop quoting from his [Barack Obama’s] remarks because they amounted to one of the most moving, inspiring valentines to this country that I’ve ever heard, brimming with regard for it and gratitude to it. We’re going to miss this man, America. Whatever his flaws, he’s been more than our president. Time and again, he’s been our national poet.”
— New York Times columnist Frank Bruni in July 28, 2016 piece, “Freedom from Fear.”

“President Obama is the most noble man who has ever lived in the White House and he proved that again today....”
— Host Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC’s The Last Word, November 9, 2016.

Yeah, they are going to give President Trump a fair shake. Whatever Trump does to them (ie, moving the press out of the WH, etc) is well deserved IMO.

 

[Joe Fan]

This should be good

 

[Joe Fan]

Some missives of the unbiased media on President Obama over the past several years...

Complete lack of honesty and self-evaluation
Lets hope they keep it up

 

[Seattle Husker]

Speaking of complete lack of honesty yet focusing on real issues, POTUS Trump spent his first day at Langley and had this to say:

"I have a running war with the media. They are among the most dishonest human beings on earth... They sort of made it sound like I had a feud with the intelligence community. And I just want to let you know the reason you’re number one... [that] is exactly the opposite and they understand that too."

Either Trump was lying, using "alternative facts" (Kellyanne Conway Term), or inferring that the media hacked his twitter account. Here are DJT's tweets.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

...
Either Trump was lying, using "alternative facts" (Kellyanne Conway Term), or inferring that the media hacked his twitter account....

Or, maybe you are?
There is so much fake out there now, who ever knows?

In any event, listen to how CIA employees react to Trump calling out the media. I would not have guessed that this would be the proper audience for this take, but they ate it up.
Which shows what? One thing it shows is that the media's characterization of Trump's incoming relationship with the Agency was not just wrong but, in all likelihood, probably intentionally so. Something I am willing to bet you they will not correct on their own.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Nancy Sinatra, when asked for a response about the song selection on Twitter, said, in a now-deleted tweet: "Just remember the first line of the song."

The first line of the song is, "And now, the end is near."

Sinatra tweeted a link to this article, saying: "That's not true. I never said that. Why do you lie, CNN?"

Sinatra deleted her tweet regarding the song after CNN published this article.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Or, maybe you are?
There is so much fake out there now, who ever knows?

In any event, listen to how CIA employees react to Trump calling out the media. I would not have guessed that this would be the proper audience for this take, but they ate it up.
Which shows what? One thing it shows is that the media's characterization of Trump's incoming relationship with the Agency was not just wrong but, in all likelihood, probably intentionally so. Something I am willing to bet you they will not correct on their own.

 

[Joe Fan]

I admit I did not even read what you wrote, I was just messing with you

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

LOL

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

You don't know that one of those refugees or one of their kids could potentially change the world. The janitor at my wife's middle school is Filipino. He's a 1st generation immigrant. Right now, he has a daughter at MIT and a son that started in the Fall at Stanford. Those kids are extremely hard working like their dad who works during the day at the middle school then the HS 5 nights a week. From my experience, work ethic is a common trait among most immigrants with a few exceptions. Those kids are the "cure for cancer" in the skittles analogy. That's not moving the goalpost but rather a recognition that there are positive potential within these groups of immigrants too which isn't being acknowledged. Based on what I've read, education and skills are contributing factors in weighing where an an immigrant sits on the priority list.

There's no doubt that MANY of the refugees, immigrants, etc will be hard working, nose to the grindstone kind of folks. They risked a substantial amount to get here so it stands to reason, it is very important to them. However, I would wager that besides hard work, their status as immigrant children played a role in their admission to these liberal universities. I would also wager there are a few thousand existing American high school seniors with fabulous grades that worked hard and had outstanding bona fides to attend universities of this ilk, that were not admitted.

Immigrants are not a problem because they have a different skin color, they aren't a problem because they are lazy. They are a problem because we've adopted policies that allow immigrants to take positions in school and in the employment arena away from Americans.

Obviously, this janitor didn't make anywhere near enough to send his children to MIT and Stanford. Someone is footing the bill. That someone is the rest of the kids going to college and in some cases, taxpayers.

A large contributing factor to the rapid increase in college tuition is the idea that everyone needs to go to college(even the immigrant kids, of whom there are so many now). Increase demand leads to increased costs. So these two very hard working students have cost the rest of us in multiple ways. They are a very sympathetic story but ultimately I don't think these two success stories warrant all the rest of the problems that come with immigration.

Most of the immigrants aren't bringing education WITH THEM, they are obtaining education (on our dime) when they get here.

 

[Joe Fan]

Steve Bannon does not give many interviews, but when he does he lets if fly
Today he let everyone know what he thinks of the press, if there were any doubts.

“The media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while."

“I want you to quote this. The media here is the opposition party. They don’t understand this country. They still do not understand why Donald Trump is the president of the United States.”

“You’re the opposition party. Not the Democratic Party. You’re the opposition party. The media’s the opposition party.”

“The paper of record for our beloved republic, The New York Times, should be absolutely ashamed and humiliated. They got it 100 percent wrong.”

“That’s why you have no power. You were humiliated.”

“The mainstream media has not fired or terminated anyone associated with following our campaign. Look at the Twitter feeds of those people: they were outright activists of the Clinton campaign.” ​

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/business/media/stephen-bannon-trump-news-media.html

 

[I35]

There's no doubt that MANY of the refugees, immigrants, etc will be hard working, nose to the grindstone kind of folks. They risked a substantial amount to get here so it stands to reason, it is very important to them. However, I would wager that besides hard work, their status as immigrant children played a role in their admission to these liberal universities. I would also wager there are a few thousand existing American high school seniors with fabulous grades that worked hard and had outstanding bona fides to attend universities of this ilk, that were not admitted.

Immigrants are not a problem because they have a different skin color, they aren't a problem because they are lazy. They are a problem because we've adopted policies that allow immigrants to take positions in school and in the employment arena away from Americans.

Obviously, this janitor didn't make anywhere near enough to send his children to MIT and Stanford. Someone is footing the bill. That someone is the rest of the kids going to college and in some cases, taxpayers.

A large contributing factor to the rapid increase in college tuition is the idea that everyone needs to go to college(even the immigrant kids, of whom there are so many now). Increase demand leads to increased costs. So these two very hard working students have cost the rest of us in multiple ways. They are a very sympathetic story but ultimately I don't think these two success stories warrant all the rest of the problems that come with immigration.

Most of the immigrants aren't bringing education WITH THEM, they are obtaining education (on our dime) when they get here.

Excellent post BrntOrng. I notice SH didn't respond and I don't blame him.

 

[Seattle Husker]

There's no doubt that MANY of the refugees, immigrants, etc will be hard working, nose to the grindstone kind of folks. They risked a substantial amount to get here so it stands to reason, it is very important to them. However, I would wager that besides hard work, their status as immigrant children played a role in their admission to these liberal universities. I would also wager there are a few thousand existing American high school seniors with fabulous grades that worked hard and had outstanding bona fides to attend universities of this ilk, that were not admitted.

I won't disagree that their ethnicity or immigrant story likely played a role in their college admittance. As the father of a HS Senior (Georgetown interview was last week), I'm experiencing firsthand the desire for all colleges' search for diversity in their freshman class. Diversity of all stripes is sought: Ethnicity, Gender, Geography, socio-economic class and even interests are all prized. If you have the "outstanding bona fides" there is a university for you that will admit you.

Immigrants are not a problem because they have a different skin color, they aren't a problem because they are lazy. They are a problem because we've adopted policies that allow immigrants to take positions in school and in the employment arena away from Americans.

Immigrant children who are citizen earning spots in college is waaayyyy down the list of things preventing other kids from getting into those schools. Look no further than International students for an example non-citizen students taking spots, particularly high ranking public institutions. Universities are literally leveraging the 3x cost of tuition that International students pay to subsidize budgets. In the employment arena, do you have any data to backup the assertion that immigrants are taking jobs from Americans? Here is an article that says it's not true with the exception of teenagers have been impacted. That P/T HS job our kids used to take at McDonald's is now taken by low wage immigrant willing to work more than 16hrs per week.

Obviously, this janitor didn't make anywhere near enough to send his children to MIT and Stanford. Someone is footing the bill. That someone is the rest of the kids going to college and in some cases, taxpayers.

At private schools, this is being managed through endowments. Stanford now offers free tuition for any student with a family income less than $125k. Yes, their endowment is that large. Of course, that's the exception rather than the rule. I'm fortunate based on my income level to say that I'll likely be subsidizing other less fortunate kids by paying most of the tuition for my kids with little financial aid. Is that really an argument to hang our hat on for eliminating immigrants though?

A large contributing factor to the rapid increase in college tuition is the idea that everyone needs to go to college(even the immigrant kids, of whom there are so many now). Increase demand leads to increased costs. So these two very hard working students have cost the rest of us in multiple ways. They are a very sympathetic story but ultimately I don't think these two success stories warrant all the rest of the problems that come with immigration.

To be clear, I do not support the "free education" movement. There is something to be said for sacrificing financially to earn that degree that builds character. My example was an anecdote that was relevant to my argument. Furthermore, the work ethic displayed by kids that weren't born with the benefit of starting from 2nd base is what much of our society is missing. These true American dream stories are what will complement the fortunate kids that expect more than they deserve. Without the hard workers pushing that majority of our kids, America as an economy will continue to wither.

Most of the immigrants aren't bringing education WITH THEM, they are obtaining education (on our dime) when they get here.

That's not entirely true. Syria had an excellent education system before the war. It was one of the most developed in the Middle East. Some good family friends from Syria had their homes in Aleppo destroyed in the war. Their 2 sons attended U of Washington to get their bachelors and went on to gain masters degrees in Engineering fields from Princeton and NYU. Their father continues to be a high ranking official in UAE though they are Syrian by nationality. Again, an anecdote simply to show that there are well educated people in the refugee pool though our family friends gained citizenship long before the war.

 

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Ben Shaprio (anti-Trump) argues the Bannon comments about the press on CNN

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/3788400