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Seattle Husker said:
Please forgive me for not following Glen Greenwald. Based on his stances on multiple topics starting with the Snowden fiasco, Greenwald has a pronounced Anti-America position that typically closely aligns to a position that Russia would support.
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So, you're wary of a possible deceptive source? Now you're sounding like a conservative. :p
 
LongestHorn said:
President Trump Directed His Attorney Michael Cohen To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project

President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter.

The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents. Cohen then acknowledged those instructions during his interviews with that office.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...scow-tower-mueller-investigation?ref=hpsplash
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Oops! Looks like someone is spreading lies besides Trump.
 
@Seattle Husker you have analyzed some causes and maybe the current state of journalism was inevitable due to other social forces. That said, if we had high quality journalism the past 20 years, Donald Trump never would have made it out of the primary. The problem is not that the media gets a story wrong now and then, it is they get things wrong/jump to conclusions at an alarming rate. 60 minutes spread fake stories about W. Bush’s service record and later Benghazi. It turned out once the investigation was complete, the Orlando shooter was ISIS inspired, picked a club at random, was not gay and was never specifically targeting gay people. This latest DC incident was completely mischaracterized.

As long as the media continues to get things wrong at such an alarming rate, they are not credible. It does not just give Trump ammo to attack all stories, even the true ones. It gives ANYONE of ANY political persuasion ammo to attack ANY facts. It is absolutely dangerous.

The media’s incompetent reporting is not entirely directed at the right. The wrong 60 minutes report on Benghazi was detrimental to Hillary and Obama. Mante Te’o’s dead girlfriend was not even political. However, more often than not, the media jumps on the anti-right stories without fact checking. Trump used people’s dissatisfaction with incompetent journalism to propel himself to the white house. If this keeps up, he will not be the last president to do so. Also, presidents using this will not be limited to republicans either.

As I said earlier, our current news media’s inability to get a story straight or fact check is dangerous for our democracy. It goes beyond Donald Trump and his supporters. If the free and independent press cannot advance the truth, do not expect the partisans on either side to do so. We are in trouble.
 
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No doubt the "fake news" accusation is used as a political tool. But the media environment today is as bad as I've ever witnessed. That may be an understatement.

I have to admit I'm confused by many things. What is really happening behind the scenes? Why does Michelle Obama openly love on George Bush when others on the Left want him hung for war crimes? Why did Obama savage Hillary for her Iraq War Resolution vote then pretend otherwise when it was her turn? What are we supposed to think about these messages? Do they think we're that dumb?

They're probably right.
 
Htown77 said:
@Seattle Husker ......As I said earlier, our current news media’s inability to get a story straight or fact check is dangerous for our democracy. It goes beyond Donald Trump and his supporters. If the free and independent press cannot advance the truth, do not expect the partisans on either side to so. We are in trouble.
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One of the main reasons Trump was elected was that the media promotes stories that are suspect at best to further their agenda, and ignores stories that hurt their agenda. When Trump was a candidate, the media was happy to promote him - thinking he would be easy pickings for Hitlery. After he won the primary, they started 24-7 slamming Trump. However, Trump is a shameless candidate who enjoys fighting. Slams against Trump result in slams against the accuser and the opposition. No matter that some of the slams were based in fact.

The media created President Trump.
 
SH
""Fakenews" is not a fact with the way many on the right use it. They use it to undercut the credibility of articles that are borne out to be true but simply they don't like them"
Can you provide some examples of the right undercutting the credibility of an article ?
 
4th_floor said:
Just in case the liberals on this thread missed this. Their hero Mueller stabbed them in the back. That's gonna leave a mark!
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Of course now, you have the likes of Adam Schiff saying they will conduct an investigation anyway. They don't believe the guy they say should not be fired and allowed to continue his investigation! Can't make this stuff up.
 
I think Trump was a classic case of blow-back. I was as stunned as anyone else when he won the nomination much less the general election.
 
bystander said:
No doubt the "fake news" accusation is used as a political tool. But the media environment today is as bad as I've ever witnessed. That may be an understatement.
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You know what bothers people the most about the term "fake news"? It's because Trump says it. He might be rude, crude, and an occasional dick but he's 100% correct about the media.
 
Garmel said:
You know what bothers people the most about the term "fake news"? It's because Trump says it. He might be rude, crude, and an occasional dick but he's 100% correct about the media.
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The Left is on a crusade and the glorified keepers of democracy (the media) is under attack. So it's easy for them to compare him to totalitarianists and people just lap it up.
 
When I kept reading the drum beater was a Viet Nam vet but was only 64 I wondered. In absolute theory he could have been If he had enlisted at age 17 and completed all the training in time to get sent to Nam before the Marines were pulled out June 1972.
This link lays it all out
'Doesn't REALLY add up': Tweep's thread on Nathan Phillips' claims of Vietnam service will make you go HMMMMM

The link never says he could not have been there but it is all kinda hinky
It doesn't even matter EXCEPT MSM etc made such a huge deal out of white high school students disrespecting a Viet Nam vet.
 
Here is the drum beaters account. See any inconsistencies ?
"“At the close of the Indigenous Peoples’ March and rally, the few of us left lingering to chat and meet were confronted and surrounded by 50 to 70 young people wearing Trump’s hats, T-shirts and other apparel. The group consisted of mostly young white men who started to intimidate, mock and scare us with a mob mentality in order to silence a demonstration that was mostly concluded. The group outnumbered us and enclosed our small group, chanting ‘build the wall’ another Trump-isms. The group was clearly looking for ANY opportunity to get violent and they consistently infringed upon our space, inching closer and closer, bumping into us and daring us to get physical. They surrounded us screaming, cajoling and mocking the elder singing with intentionally disrespectful dancing and attempting to chant\sing louder than him. He did not break focus on move inch for the entirety of the encounter. And perhaps the saddest part of all is that this song was medicine to calm the anger and toxicity of these men.”
so many more at the link
https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/nathan-phillips/
 
Seattle Husker said:
The media jumped too fast.
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You say that like they want to report the truth and have credibility. In reality they want to believe something bad about Trump so they can report it. It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. They make headlines then try to back off it slowly. But everyone is seeing the fake news for what they are........ what they are is fake news.
 
Even after the story has been soundly debunked you have celebrities, pundits, and even a CNN person calling for these kids to be harmed and even killed in several ways including burned. They are even calling for the families of the kids to suffer.
These are adults calling for horror for KIDS.

Dems, leftists, Libs , How sick are they?
 
Horn6721 said:
Even after the story has been soundly debunked you have celebrities, pundits, and even a CNN person calling for these kids to be harmed and even killed in several ways including burned. They are even calling for the families of the kids to suffer.
These are adults calling for horror for KIDS.

Dems, leftists, Libs , How sick are they?
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Liberals are like Hyman Roth from godfather II to me. I'll do business with them if I have to, but I don't trust them.
 
SH made the determination that the kids were the instigators and only learned that from their parents.
I will wait to see where SH thinks the media pols and celebrities are learning their hate to the point they call for harm and death to high schools kids.
 
Reporting in from my liberal Facebook friends, hot off the presses.....
They have now had many opportunities to view several videos of the event. Not ONE will back down and say they spoke too soon, or that the video is more complex than they first thought.

The majority still see the young man as a smirking, privileged white boy, whose school also had a rapist attend. There are so many sickening memes about this, I need to stay off Facebook for a few days. They are certain he is the next Brock Turner, or some other white guy who raped a woman.
They wouldn't even agree that at one point, when the shouting black random guy next to tom tom man started yelling at other students to, "go back to where you came from! We were here first!" And one of those kids, (showing some smarts) said, "oh, so we should all go back to Africa?". "Smug" kid turns and gestures for him to stop.

I think smug kid didn't have a clue how to react. You are a young guy, in front of your friends. Do you back up from someone beating a drum on your shoulder? Do you stand your ground? I think most of the smirk was an "I don't know how to react" face.
The closest anyone would say that implied the initial reports may have been wrong were...steady yourself now, "Wearing a MAGA hat is equal to wearing a white sheet over your head" so the kids got what they deserved no matter what due to their hats.
So, remember, if you have any MAGA attire, you are walking around in the light dressed as a member of the KKK, and you will deserve whatever happens to you.

I have always been keenly aware of the raw deal the Native Americans received. When my dad would make donations, he donated the most to organizations that helped Native Americans. I would never stand for someone truly making fun or being disrespectful to a Native American.

But what happened in this case, to these boys, countless policemen, and other people is lynching by video.
Yesterday, by 4 pm, there was a still shot of most of the boys, circled with their full name circulating on Facebook.
The fact that these kids were exposed in that way is sickening.
 
Hollandtx said:
Reporting in from my liberal Facebook friends, hot off the presses.....
They have now had many opportunities to view several videos of the event. Not ONE will back down and say they spoke too soon, or that the video is more complex than they first thought.

The majority still see the young man as a smirking, privileged white boy, whose school also had a rapist attend. There are so many sickening memes about this, I need to stay off Facebook for a few days. They are certain he is the next Brock Turner, or some other white guy who raped a woman.
They wouldn't even agree that at one point, when the shouting black random guy next to tom tom man started yelling at other students to, "go back to where you came from! We were here first!" And one of those kids, (showing some smarts) said, "oh, so we should all go back to Africa?". "Smug" kid turns and gestures for him to stop.

I think smug kid didn't have a clue how to react. You are a young guy, in front of your friends. Do you back up from someone beating a drum on your shoulder? Do you stand your ground? I think most of the smirk was an "I don't know how to react" face.
The closest anyone would say that implied the initial reports may have been wrong were...steady yourself now, "Wearing a MAGA hat is equal to wearing a white sheet over your head" so the kids got what they deserved no matter what due to their hats.
So, remember, if you have any MAGA attire, you are walking around in the light dressed as a member of the KKK, and you will deserve whatever happens to you.

I have always been keenly aware of the raw deal the Native Americans received. When my dad would make donations, he donated the most to organizations that helped Native Americans. I would never stand for someone truly making fun or being disrespectful to a Native American.

But what happened in this case, to these boys, countless policemen, and other people is lynching by video.
Yesterday, by 4 pm, there was a still shot of most of the boys, circled with their full name circulating on Facebook.
The fact that these kids were exposed in that way is sickening.
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We will be next
 
The proliferation of purposely biased sources has resulted in any attempts to remain 100% neutral to not be profitable.
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Yep. It's not just the media at fault - the majority of Americans have made their choice and they mostly agree that "media with an agenda" is the most desirable option. They just can't settle on which agenda.
 
Horn6721 said:
Good on MrD( of course he is not a lib or even close but he did seem to blame the kids for infringing on the freedom of speech of the elderly man) who will at least look at complete videos.
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I've been thinking about this, and it's sad. You were giving me a compliment, and I appreciate it. However, it shouldn't be a compliment, because a willingness to look at other evidence and change one's view based on that evidence is just part of being a rational adult. The fact that this is viewed as some special trait is sad.
 
Mr. Deez said:
I've been thinking about this, and it's sad. You were giving me a compliment, and I appreciate it. However, it shouldn't be a compliment, because a willingness to look at other evidence and change one's view based on that evidence is just part of being a rational adult. The fact that this is viewed as some special trait is sad.
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Changing ones perspective based on more information should be the standard. Unfortunately, in this politicized climate you must proclaim "I'm wrong" only as long as the other side was wrong. Should your side actually be wrong it's fakenews and retreat to sites that support a desired narrative. It's not a right vs left thing. Borh sides do it. The left is doing it now with sites like Slate. The right also exhibits this behavior. It's no wonder our politicians have no interest in compromises as hyper-partisans have an outsized voice in the debates.
 
The Supreme are letting the US enforce the "transgender restrictions" in the military while the litigation goes forth
 
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