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[Mr. Deez]

Another reason why they call the violent BLM activists the “Klan with a tan”.

I'm not seeing a lot of tan though. I'm mostly seeing the BLM goofballs walk around screaming their slogans and telling the big ***** mayor of Minneapolis to **** off for not promising to defund the police. I don't condone it, but I can't complain too much, because they have the right to do it. We have a right to be idiots in public.

The overwhelming majority of the violence that I'm seeing is done by these lunatic white people. I don't think the city would tolerate this from blacks. Keep in mind that Portland is a pretty white city (only about 6 percent black). They don't have the political power to get the city to just let them destroy stuff. Furthermore, liberal whites don't actually like blacks. They patronize them for political power and pretend to like them to create a false morality to try to distinguish themselves from white conservatives. However, neo-Marxist whites do have that kind of power, much like the Klan did in the South.

 

[OUBubba]

Purse is substitute for puuuuuuuusy

I think name calling is frowned upon here. However, I'd be happy for you to explain how much of a ***** I am to my face.

 

[OUBubba]

He's a Texan who likes OU and thinks it's a good idea to have Switzer as his Texas Longhorn message board avatar.

Don't hold your breath.

I was born in Tyler. I moved to eastern Oklahoma at 6 weeks old. I don't think that qualifies me as a Texan. The Switzer avatar is just to show how much I love you guys.

 

[OUBubba]

It depends on the specifics. Your friend is basically accepting not only the word of the guy taken into custody completely at his word but also taking his and the media's characterization of it totally at face value. I don't care if he's a former Supreme Court clerk. It's woefully sloppy to just jump to that conclusion based on the facts and evidence that we know and in light of what we don't know.



And of course, this isn't a legal explanation at all. It's a political one, and it's a shallow one at that. First, even accepting the guy's word at face value, fascists don't usually arrest people and then release them. When the Gestapo arrested people, they ended up in Dachau or Sachsenhausen. They weren't let out a few minutes or hours later.

Second, why call it fascistic? Of course, communists and authoritarians of all kinds do what fascists do. In fact, China is doing it right now to hundreds of thousands of people who aren't rioting.

Third, was it really violent? Did they beat his *** unprovoked? Did they shoot him? Doesn't look like it.

Fourth, what looks far more fascistic is the actions of Portland officials and the "protestors." We have people destroying private property and inflicting bodily injuries to intimidate and force their will. Kinda sounds like the Nazi party SA. Then we have local officials telling the legitimate police not to enforce the laws against them. Kinda sounds like what Nazi and Nazi-sympathetic government officials did.

Here's the bottom line on the federal officers coming in. If they're defending federal property or arresting people reasonably suspected of damaging or threatening to damage federal property or harming federal employees or doing anything to stop or inhibit federal employees from doing their jobs, they have every right to be there. Those are violations of federal laws, and they can be enforced by federal law enforcement. The mayor and governor have absolutely no justification to complain about it at all. They don't have to limit themselves to staying near the federal property either. They aren't security guards. They're law enforcement officers. They can chase people down just like any other cop.

They don't have to use marked vehicles. These officers probably don't have cop cars. They don't usually need anything like that. They are probably using general government vehicles, or they are on temporary duty assignments using rental vehicles.

They can release people if they choose. If there is reasonable suspicion of the person committing a federal crime, they can confront and detain the person briefly, and choose to release him. That's not a violation of the 4th Amendment.

Of course, there is a line at which this becomes inappropriate, and if you can find evidence of it (not media speculation), I'll condemn it. Where is that line? It is when federal law enforcement officers stop and detain without reasonable suspicion or arrest without probable cause. It is when federal law enforcement start acting outside their jurisdiction. For example, can they go arrest the people who burned down the Portland police union building? No. That's arson committed against non-federal property. It would be a state crime. If the mayor and governor are ok with this sort of thing, they can choose not to enforce their own laws if the people tolerate it as you seem to.

Why don't you see this happening more often? Because it's usually not necessary. Most of the time, local officials don't tell their police to basically shutdown and let angry mobs form and destroy property without recourse. Under normal conditions, someone caught vandalizing a federal building would get caught by a local cop and charged. He might get turned over to federal authorities for prosecution or might get prosecuted at the state level (since it's also a violation of state law), but you wouldn't need federal cops to apprehend him.

However, we're see a reemergence of large scale politically protected criminal activity in some areas. If a crime is being committed for a political reason local officials support, those officials are choosing not to enforce the laws against them. It's a reemergence, because of course, we saw Southern officials do the same thing when they let the Klan commit crimes against blacks with no recourse. They feared the Klan's political power more than they feared the crime itself. When that sort of things happens, you can't have federal law enforcement enforcing state law, but you can have them fill in the gaps of enforcing federal laws that the local police used to assist in enforcing.

It's no friend I quoted just some twitter thing. I can't get the twitter on this computer so I can't link it.

I think defending the federal properties is different than these things. I do admire their efficiency in renting Grand Caravans as opposed to luxury SUV's. It highlights that they're planning on using them and not wasting taxpayer money.

 

[OUBubba]

personally, ouBubba is a typical Democrat....talks about stuff that makes NO SENSE to anyone and throws in a couple of backhanded insults on the way out the door and NEVER answers ONE question...EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where have I left you hanging? Never/ever implies that I've done it multiple times to you.

 

[horninchicago]

I was born in Tyler. I moved to eastern Oklahoma at 6 weeks old. I don't think that qualifies me as a Texan. The Switzer avatar is just to show how much I love you guys.

I knew you had said you were from east Texas but didn't realize you moved at 6 weeks.

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

He's a Texan who likes OU and thinks it's a good idea to have Switzer as his Texas Longhorn message board avatar.

Don't hold your breath.

Where have I left you hanging? Never/ever implies that I've done it multiple times to you.

...this, being another....

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

It's no friend I quoted just some twitter thing. I can't get the twitter on this computer so I can't link it.

I think defending the federal properties is different than these things. I do admire their efficiency in renting Grand Caravans as opposed to luxury SUV's. It highlights that they're planning on using them and not wasting taxpayer money.

Democrats speaking on wasting taxpayer money.....BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[Orangeyman]

Democrats speaking on wasting taxpayer money.....BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Summary from WSJ opinion piece this morning. I don’t think I agree, but it is a pathetic situation created by feckless progressives:
“We understand Mr. Trump’s desire to restore order, but he’s also saving Democrats from themselves. State and local Democrats will blame federal intervention for any and all disorder, deflecting attention from their own failures. The media will echo whatever they say. Progressives run Portland, Chicago, New York and other cities now experiencing a surge of violence. If they want to indulge the mayhem, then let them live with the consequences.”

 

[horninchicago]

@Orangeyman, I would say I do agree with the quote above. Let Chicago burn. The elitist power broker pricks living in Lincoln Park deserve nothing better. They keep putting the Daleys and now Lightfoot into power. They should reap what they have sewn from that.

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

Summary from WSJ opinion piece this morning. I don’t think I agree, but it is a pathetic situation created by feckless progressives:
“We understand Mr. Trump’s desire to restore order, but he’s also saving Democrats from themselves. State and local Democrats will blame federal intervention for any and all disorder, deflecting attention from their own failures. The media will echo whatever they say. Progressives run Portland, Chicago, New York and other cities now experiencing a surge of violence. If they want to indulge the mayhem, then let them live with the consequences.”

do the Democrats think people are going to support them in the FALL?? honestly???

 

[Horn6721]

Texn
I wonder that too
BUT in my neighborhood just this morning I saw a STD sign
Stop the Donald.
I wanted to ask, Stop him from what? creating an economy where minorities had record employment? where prision reform helped minorities? Where HBCU got better funding? where opportunity zones are creating biz for blacks? where minority ownership of small businesses jumped 40% in less than a year? Where FINALLY other countries are paying more for NATO where we got a more equitable trade agreement with Mexico and Canada
etc etc
I wanted to ask what exactly they wanted stopped?
His brash and often times rude tweets to those rude to him??
But I did not ask. They would have no real answer.

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

Texn
I wonder that too
BUT in my neighborhood just this morning I saw a STD sign
Stop the Donald.
I wanted to ask, Stop him from what? creating an economy where minorities had record employment? where prision reform helped minorities? Where HBCU got better funding? where opportunity zones are creating biz for blacks? where minority ownership of small businesses jumped 40% in less than a year? Where FINALLY other countries are paying more for NATO where we got a more equitable trade agreement with Mexico and Canada
etc etc
I wanted to ask what exactly they wanted stopped?
His brash and often times rude tweets to those rude to him??
But I did not ask. They would have no real answer.

DO NOT ASK THEM FOR AN ANSWER TO ANYTHING....they are IDIOTS/MORONS...incapable of processing information....had an encounter with a liberal yesterday and they chided me for my "conviction" and would not "engage me"....is that their standard issue???

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

 

[OUBubba]

@Orangeyman, I would say I do agree with the quote above. Let Chicago burn. The elitist power broker pricks living in Lincoln Park deserve nothing better. They keep putting the Daleys and now Lightfoot into power. They should reap what they have sewn from that.

I had the communist news network on last night doing dishes and I thought I heard that the Chicago chief of police was OK with getting some help.

 

[horninchicago]

I had the communist news network on last night doing dishes and I thought I heard that the Chicago chief of police was OK with getting some help.

I think it's up to the "mayor". She will spend more time and energy fighting Trump than fighting the rioters and looters.

 

[OUBubba]

I think it's up to the "mayor". She will spend more time and energy fighting Trump than fighting the rioters and looters.

Agree. But, if it's politics only in Portland, it's not like Oregon is going to turn red or something. They're as blue as Mississippi is red.

 

[horninchicago]

Agree. But, if it's politics only in Portland, it's not like Oregon is going to turn red or something. They're as blue as Mississippi is red.

I'm not following what you are saying here. If Trump was only being political, to what I think your point is, he would let Portland burn. But, he knows he will likely get pushback there but is taking over where the local authorities have failed.

I remember Katrina. Bush was blamed for not coming in on his white horse to save the black mayor of New Orleans and the female governor. Had he come in, he would have been criticized for for being a racist and sexist for not allowing them to do their jobs.

Trump has given more than enough time here.

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

I had the communist news network on last night doing dishes and I thought I heard that the Chicago chief of police was OK with getting some help.

ONE QUESTION: why didn't Obama get something done in this area when he was POTUS for EIGHT YEARS??? or, go back there to work on it???

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

I'm not following what you are saying here. If Trump was only being political, to what I think your point is, he would let Portland burn. But, he knows he will likely get pushback there but is taking over where the local authorities have failed.

I remember Katrina. Bush was blamed for not coming in on his white horse to save the black mayor of New Orleans and the female governor. Had he come in, he would have been criticized for for being a racist and sexist for not allowing them to do their jobs.

Trump has given more than enough time here.

ouBUBBA....you are the perfect LIBERAL DEMOCRAT....nothing you say makes sense, but you keep on spewing your non-sense.....after 50 days of VIOLENT "peaceful protests" as the MORONIC Governor, Senators, and Mayor in Oregon call it....then, Trump sends people in to defend the Federal buildings and you call that "political"....how early do you start drinking on a school day???!!!

 

[horninchicago]

ouBUBBA....you are the perfect LIBERAL DEMOCRAT....nothing you say makes sense, but you keep on spewing your non-sense.....after 50 days of VIOLENT "peaceful protests" as the MORONIC Governor, Senators, and Mayor in Oregon call it....then, Trump sends people in to defend the Federal buildings and you call that "political"....how early do you start drinking on a school day???!!!

Not sure why you quoted me to rant at Bubba, but I agree with your rant.

 

[horninchicago]

Yep, those local and state authorities in Oregon are doing a hell of a job. Who needs the Feds?

Anyone who thinks the Feds coming in is a bad idea and these are just peace loving protestors is a moron, plain and simple.

WATCH: Rioters Attack Federal Law Enforcement Official Who Was On The Ground

 

[OUBubba]

I'm not following what you are saying here. If Trump was only being political, to what I think your point is, he would let Portland burn. But, he knows he will likely get pushback there but is taking over where the local authorities have failed.

I remember Katrina. Bush was blamed for not coming in on his white horse to save the black mayor of New Orleans and the female governor. Had he come in, he would have been criticized for for being a racist and sexist for not allowing them to do their jobs.

Trump has given more than enough time here.

Trump is BEING political by intervening with "Law and order". He's dong anything to distract from his horrendous presidency.

 

[OUBubba]

ouBUBBA....you are the perfect LIBERAL DEMOCRAT....nothing you say makes sense, but you keep on spewing your non-sense.....after 50 days of VIOLENT "peaceful protests" as the MORONIC Governor, Senators, and Mayor in Oregon call it....then, Trump sends people in to defend the Federal buildings and you call that "political"....how early do you start drinking on a school day???!!!

You're the perfect "shock and awe" guy that doesn't see that you're creating more protests by responding to protests as jack booted storm troopers. The Navy vet that got batonned said there were 400-500 protestors the night he was there. He was only motivated by the mystery federal troops whisking people away. The next night there were thousands. So, Yeah, that strategy is like playing zombie whackamole yet it's like doing it and they grow more when you kill another.

 

[OUBubba]

You're the perfect "shock and awe" guy that doesn't see that you're creating more protests by responding to protests as jack booted storm troopers. The Navy vet that got batonned said there were 400-500 protestors the night he was there. He was only motivated by the mystery federal troops whisking people away. The next night there were thousands. So, Yeah, that strategy is like playing zombie whackamole yet it's like doing it and they grow more when you kill another.

Totally on brand for Trump. He can't do the "caravan" thing this year so he needs something else to gin up the rubes. Dog whistling it is.

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

I said I had now read it twice. What's your point?

the POINT is....you cannot connect the dots on anything....

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

Totally on brand for Trump. He can't do the "caravan" thing this year so he needs something else to gin up the rubes. Dog whistling it is.

yes!!! said no one with brain waves....EVER!!!

 

[TEXnSEATTLE]

 

[nashhorn]

Bubba do you really think this would go away if Trump did not send in the feds and instead just sat silently by and watched. I’m genuinely curious.

 

[Garmel]

You're the perfect "shock and awe" guy that doesn't see that you're creating more protests by responding to protests as jack booted storm troopers. The Navy vet that got batonned said there were 400-500 protestors the night he was there. He was only motivated by the mystery federal troops whisking people away. The next night there were thousands. So, Yeah, that strategy is like playing zombie whackamole yet it's like doing it and they grow more when you kill another.

Eventually the moles will give up because they'll be tired of going to jail. The feds will get this settled down but it may take awhile.