Monahorns
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This will really hurt Americans too. Inflation could go to hyperinflation.
Russia attacking Ukraine 2/16?
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This will really hurt Americans too. Inflation could go to hyperinflation.
Musburger1
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Because the military is comprised of both "normal" Ukrainians and neo-Nazis. And they have a difference of opinion in regard to whether or not citizens will be allowed to use humanitarian corridors in order to leave the area. Up til now, the military has some protection in the fact that they are surrounded by civilians. If the civilians vacate, the Russians can open fire without wiping out thousands of civilians. The "normal" Ukrainian military has no desire for their citizens to get wiped out. The neo-Nazis just see them as both a military and a propaganda tool.
Meanwhile, diesel at one of the north Houston truck stops was at $4.599 this morning, after being at a dime less yesterday and sixty cents less last week.
The left completely ignores that rising fuel costs directly impact those rising costs at the store which cost the consumer to lose money every week.
Biden and his weak policies ARE the tax on the underclass...
Musburger1
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but increasing oil production will help with gas prices, but not necessarily diesel prices. Diesel requires a different type of oil like what would come from Russia or Venezuela. I'm not sure if I have this right, but I read something like that.
I think the Oligarchs can be hurt by our sanctions if we can target their world-wide assets. Whatever Russian assets they hold could be devastated.
Mus
If I read your post correctly the Ukraine military would prefer civilians to stay since the civilians offer the army some "protection"
So is the neoNazi group helping civilians leave?
If the neoNazi group was stopping civilians from leaving then the regular Ukraine army should like that since you say the army considers civilians protection
If I read your post correctly the Ukraine military would prefer civilians to stay since the civilians offer the army some "protection"
So is the neoNazi group helping civilians leave?
If the neoNazi group was stopping civilians from leaving then the regular Ukraine army should like that since you say the army considers civilians protection
Seattle Husker
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Make no mistake, the Oligarchs are experiencing lasting wealth impacts. Will they be impacted in their day to day lives? They won't go hungry or have less staff. If their luxury houses and yachts around the world get seized it will piss them off but also will have minimal impact. Still, these ambitious individuals measure themselves based on their obscene wealth, the lifestyle that comes with $150M yachts. They certainly will be less than pleased at the deprecation of both.
My guess is that Putin doesn't care and is prepared to show them that they are wealthy and exist in those roles because of him. He'd rather further nationalize their companies then acquiesce to any pressure.
Additionally, Putin's paranoia is obvious. If you look at his meetings with his cabinet they are 50ft away. Clearly he won't let anyone close to him for fear of nefarious intentions.
Diesel was historically a by-product of the gasoline production process, which is why it was so much cheaper than gas even into the early 2000's.
The problems came when the enviro-wackos insisted on the ULSD be used as well as the B-20 products. This added costs to the production...and it has only gotten worse as the newer engines have the requirement to add the urea through the Blu stuff.
It has been nine years since a friend rolled my truck though, so I have not kept up with all of the current practices. But it burned the exact same stuff that fuels the 18-wheelers...
Musburger1
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No, just the opposite. The neo-Nazis make up a smaller percentage of the army, but they have more power and act as enforcers. It is the neo-Nazis in conjunction with NATO advisors that make the calls. If the poster is correct, someone in the military called for a local mutiny. That doesn’t mean they are pro-Russian, but simply they are anti-Nazi.
Seattle Husker
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The Azov Battalion makes up <1k individuals. They are an equivalent to a National Guard unit. There are neo-Nazi elements inside the DPR too thus in many cases you have neo-Nazis fighting neo-Nazis. All the talks of "neo-Nazis" is overplayed angle driven in part by Putin looking for an angle, any angle, to deflect from the obvious Russian aggression.
Musburger1
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Perhaps, but in 2014 there were large parades showing their banners and flags, laws prohibiting Russian language, renaming streets after followers of a Bandera, and dismantling of WWII monuments. This is a big deal to Russians.
Seattle Husker
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Can all of us except @Musburger1 agree that this might be good in principle but should have remained an inside voice? Openly cheering for the assassination of other countries leaders is not representative of American ideals.
Musburger1
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Why would I disagree with that? A US official publically Calling for the assassination of another head of state is insane on multiple levels. As far as his personnel opinion, I don’t need to know.
Seattle Husker
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At this point in time, any news coming from Russian sources and DPR is directly supported by Russia, should be viewed with GREAT skepticism.
Musburger1
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Blinken is full of you know what.
Seattle Husker
10,000+ Posts
While most of us think Putin needs to go, based on your posting history you wouldn't be supportive of a Russian executed assassination of Putin.
Well, we applauded when Obama assassinated bin Laden (ok in my book). Many were OK with our attacks on Iraq (not ok in my book) and Afghanistan (arguably ok in my book). My question would be why publicize it and solidify Putin's paranoia (as you mentioned)?
We certainly have ideals. Then there's Realpolitik. Nobody would have complained about an out loud desire to assassinate Hitler. Putin's not gassing Jews (he's only calling Jews Nazi's). Yet. But he's out of control. He's killing children. He is attacking a sovereign nation with the intention of annexing it (in my opinion anyway). He's shelling and taking over a nuclear reactor. He's waving the nuclear option. It's as bad as we've seen in modern times. In my view, he is unrehabilitatable. He's now a full-blown menace.
He's our #1 Geopolitical threat. Just as Russia was when Mitt Romney said it.
If the choice is assassinate Putin or get into a war with Russia, then put me down for the assassination.
Musburger1
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If it happened, Russia would interpret the act as being sponsored by the CIA. The successor might launch an attack, possibly nuclear for all we know. Lindsay Graham is a fool.
Seattle Husker
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OBL wasn't the leader of a country. Most Americans are OK with taking out terrorists, especially those who take public credit for funding/organizing the death of 3k+ Americans. It's a bit different when encouraging the assassination of the leader of countries, IMHO.
I'd have he same opinion of Hitler. Quietly encourage or even execute an assassination via intelligence agencies. Publicly encouraging it? Just don't know what purpose that serves.
OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
I agree. I agreed with AC twice this week. Up is down, down is up...
It's a real nuance to debate; terrorist or leader of a state. At some point, it doesn't matter. I don't know if "civilized" nations have agreed on where that point is. Like someone once said, "I can't define pornography but I know it when I see it."
I see it with Putin.
Was George Bush "pornographic?"
OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
If your family was counted in the number of those labeled as "collatoral damage" in Iraq, you'd think so. It's all about perspective.
In hindsight, you go take out the Taliban and you get back out. You take out OBL just like we did, with good intel and a surgical extraction when you find him. His goal was to become a martyr and to poke the bear and suck us into a protracted battle in the middle east. Leaving Saddam in place without fangs was probably preferable to the vacuum that we have created.
All good. From what I understood (perception is reality), Saddam was contained. The inspections were working. It may be he was being a blowhard about his WMD capability to bluff Iraq into being better neighbors.
CERTAINLY he was a man who needed to be dealt with. And YES, Rumsfeld shook his hand. At the time though, I felt that if we created the monster then it was incumbent upon us to solve the problem.
So who's on deck to be the top dog in Russia in the event Putin is mysteriously found hanging in his bathroom in an "apparent suicide"?
Whomever he is, I bet:
(1) he's a General; and
(2) he's named Alexi, Vladimir, Mikhail, Sergei, Valeri, Boris, Ivan, Dmitry, Andrei, or Nikolai.
Whomever he is, I bet:
(1) he's a General; and
(2) he's named Alexi, Vladimir, Mikhail, Sergei, Valeri, Boris, Ivan, Dmitry, Andrei, or Nikolai.
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Seattle Husker
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It will definitely be a General. Over dinner last night I told someone Russia is heading toward becoming a more powerful version of North Korea or Libya under Khadafi.
I hope not.
Well, sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know...
Seattle Husker
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The jaunt into Ukraine resulted in crippling Russia economically. It's resulted in the West isolating them. Hollywood (and International corollaries) have pulled out of Russia forcing theaters to show Russian ballet. Lines at Ikea yesterday were immense as they are picking up stakes. Go down the list and companies are fleeing as fast as possible. Outside of a developed energy sector, Russia is in the process of being thrown back to the 60's and 70's economically. They are looking at a USSR economy without the benefit of trading with many puppet states. That will handcuff Putin or his replacement.
Will China come to Russia's aid? They'll try to help as long as it's not transparent. Chinese only care about China, moreso than any other country on Earth. If there is potential of collateral damage sanctions China will try to stay neutral.
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