Russia attacking Ukraine 2/16?

Seattle Husker said:
The latter "denazification" is laughable considering the previous atrocities by Chechen brigade supporting Putin right now in Ukraine and "nazi's" like the Asimov Battalion also exist within the Eastern Ukraine separatists. Let's be clear, Putin was never really concerned about "nazis" but the Asimov Battalion is a useful rhetorical tool for his propaganda machine.
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Putin cares about Nazis like the East Germans cared about Nazis when they built the Berlin Wall (officially the AntiFascist Protection Rampart).
 
Duck Dodgers said:
Back to real Ukraine news, not the fake Ghost of Kiev fighter ace, or the Snake Isle Alamo defenders, who actually surrendered instead of fighting to the death.

I fear the real war is coming to Ukrainian cities. It's all fun and games to post pictures of hot moms in yoga tights and painted nails holding AK-74's (not AK-47's - those are older versions), and talk about making Molotov cocktails (which do nothing at all unless the gasoline is gelled to make it stick and burn longer. Even then, they're worthless against armored vehicles, as metal burns rather poorly).

It's another thing to actually fight in combat, and keep fighting when the person next to you has their guts shot open into a puddle of sausages on the floor, and they make the most horrid noises you could imagine in your worst nightmare as they die in the dirt. We shall see - when the playing is over and the fighting is real.

Most recent wars have had 3 phases - the initial engagements, with breathless media accounts of all the action. Then a lull phase, as in Afghanistan in late October of 2001, or about day 4 of the second Iraq war.

Lots of talk then of "quaqmire! Vietnam! Failed planning!" Then the total collapse of the defending force, as they're been cut off, and are now being killed, with the invader no longer having long supply lines from the initial movement in.
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Duck, that is plausible, which means we all need to get on the neocon band wagon get NATO to hop into this barrel of fun. Who is afraid of nuclear war? Not me! They are bad and we are good. That is all that matters.

But seriously. you give honest descriptions of war. It is the worst thing imaginable. Even the survivors will never be fully healthy mentally. The only goal worth pursuing is trying to get both side to put the guns down and find ways of building trust. That is the only path forward that doesn't end up in more violent tragedy.
 
Monahorns said:
Who is afraid of nuclear war?
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I am.

I'm now in the middle of discussing it with my children. They're asking me about it. They want to see if I'm panicked or calm. I can tell. My reaction to them is like gauging the flight attendants demeanor on a turbulent flight.
 
bystander said:
I am.

I'm now in the middle of discussing it with my children. They're asking me about it. They want to see if I'm panicked or calm. I can tell. My reaction to them is like gauging the flight attendants demeanor on a turbulent flight.
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I still remember thinking I could see the bombers when they flew over. I could see Santa as well. Those hallway drills for a nuclear attack might not have been helpful.
 
Seattle Husker said:
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To add to this...Switzerland stepped away from neutrality, something they haven't done since 1815. They joined the economic sanctions against Russia. Yes, Switzerland is now against Russia too.

On a separate note, per one news broadcast Zelensky's approval rating 2 weeks ago was 25% in Ukraine, yesterday it was 91%. Putin truly thought the Ukrainian people would greet Russia with flowers.

Adding this tweet because it's funny and this Ukrainian MP is attractive which is a popular attribute on the West Mall.

 
On a serious note, here is a good article detailing how Putin has renewed the Global Liberal Order.

Putin Accidentally Revitalized the West’s Liberal Order

Democracy as an ideology has been on autopilot for too long. It needs to be cared for, fed and nurtured. Autocrats and nationalists have beaten it down. Putin, the "genius", has united the worlds democracies temporarily at least.

Turkey is now stopping any new Russian war ships from entering the Black Sea. Just a few years ago they bought Russia's air defense technology. The sheer mass of Western countries lining up to support Ukraine will limit China's support for Russia.
 
Put me down as a fan of Zelenskyy. What more could he be doing for Ukraine? Good to see Switzerland and Turkey with some actions when they could have easily done nothing. Then smart for China to wait and see. Can always join the fray if things are working for Russia but can't unjoin if things aren't working out for Russia.
 
Seattle Husker said:
To add to this...Switzerland stepped away from neutrality, something they haven't done since 1815. They joined the economic sanctions against Russia. Yes, Switzerland is now against Russia too.

On a separate note, per one news broadcast Zelensky's approval rating 2 weeks ago was 25% in Ukraine, yesterday it was 91%. Putin truly thought the Ukrainian people would greet Russia with flowers.

Adding this tweet because it's funny and this Ukrainian MP is attractive which is a popular attribute on the West Mall.

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Good points, and yes, she's hot.
 
The next phase of Russia's attack has started. Terrorize the civilian population. Incidentally, that's a good subreddit below if you want to see videos coming from the battles, typically from the Ukranian perspective. Lot's of people ready to translate the audio too.

MLRS = Multi-Launch Rocket System

The versions that Russia is using are incapable of precision guidance. This is the new version of carpet bombing.

 
Seattle Husker said:
The next phase of Russia's attack has started. Terrorize the civilian population. Incidentally, that's a good subreddit below if you want to see videos coming from the battles, typically from the Ukranian perspective. Lot's of people ready to translate the audio too.

MLRS = Multi-Launch Rocket System

The versions that Russia is using are incapable of precision guidance. This is the new version of carpet bombing.

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Definitely massive, but you can’t tell what was targeted. If it was civilians, I’d expect we’ll see photos of the dead bodies. If not, then where are the casualties?
 
Musburger1 said:
Definitely massive, but you can’t tell what was targeted. If it was civilians, I’d expect we’ll see photos of the dead bodies. If not, then where are the casualties?
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There is a daylight video of a cluster bomb being dropped in the center of Karkhiv yesterday. Today there 2 Cruise Missiles hit the same square. 11 dead and 40 injured there. Yes, there are dead bodies clearly visibile in the videos. Out of respect for the dead, I'm not going to link them here. The videos are on that subreddit if you're interested. Make no mistake, Karkhiv offered stiff resistance during Russia's initial attempt to enter it and now Russia is escalating. I'd expect Kyiv will be getting similar treatment shortly. It's clear that the only Ukrainian's that want to be ruled by Russia are a few mostly rural states in the East.

There is certainly propaganda on both sides. Then again, we know who the attackers and defenders are. I'm predisposed to believe the defenders, especially when there are videos of Russian soldiers that have no clue their goal or their own progress. Russia is expecting them to be mindless drones even though many have family/friends that they are being asked to attack.
 
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John Bolton: Not accurate to say 'Trump's behavior somehow deterred the Russians'

“I mean, he took a very tough stance against Russia. I'm surprised you don't think that he would have handled it better than Joe Biden,” Schmitt told Bolton.

“He did not,” Bolton replied. “We didn't sanction Nord Stream 2. We should have. We should have brought the project to an end. We did impose sanctions on Russian oligarchs and several others because of their sales of S-400 anti-aircraft systems to other countries. But in almost every case, the sanctions were imposed with Trump complaining about it, saying we were being too hard.”

The Trump-era national security adviser claimed the former president did not know where Ukraine was on a map and said he believed Russia did not take more aggressive actions while Trump was in office because Russia “didn’t feel that their military was ready.”

“The fact is that he barely knew where Ukraine was. He once asked John Kelly, his second chief of staff, if Finland were a part of Russia. It’s just not accurate to say that Trump's behavior somehow deterred the Russians,” Bolton said.
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Monahorns said:
You say you are a Christian, but your rhetoric on this board shows your true intentions are a lover of this world, 1 John 2:15-16.

You give the world too much benefit of the doubt.
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A guy who rationalizes and carries water for a murderous dictator who's orders are killing innocent men, women, and children is lecturing me and questioning my Christianity because I pointed out that this woman is hot. That's gold.
 
iatrogenic said:
Thanks Comrade. Do you think Russia doing anything wrong by invading Ukraine?
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Doesn't matter what I think. What matters is that Russia feels they were forced to take action and they did. Most likely neither side will see it play out like they expect.
 
Musburger, you have been a Putin fanboy for years, and lap up the crap from Russia Today like it’s your mother’s milk. Fess up…you’re rooting for the Russkis here and hoping they succeed.
 
Musburger1 said:
Doesn't matter what I think. What matters is that Russia feels they were forced to take action and they did. Most likely neither side will see it play out like they expect.
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I just want to know what you think. You have never held back before. Why now?
 
AC said:
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Links to articles supporting claim

US official: Russian invasion of Ukraine risks release of dangerous pathogens - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
https://www.riotimesonline.com/braz...see-these-documents-about-biolabs-in-ukraine/

Links to articles refuting claim

PolitiFact - There are no US-run biolabs in Ukraine, contrary to social media posts
Fact check: Claim of 'US biolabs' in Ukraine is disinformation

The posts misrepresent a treaty between the United States and Ukraine aimed at preventing biological threats. The labs are owned and funded by the Ukrainian government, according to the Security Service of Ukraine, the country's main security agency.
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So, behind the scenes, maybe there's no connection maybe there is. I do know that the US has bio labs in Georgia (the country).
 
iatrogenic said:
I just want to know what you think. You have never held back before. Why now?
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Ok. I'll give you my opinion since you care.

This conflict is multiple years in the making. Russia (under Putin) has voiced for years that NATO must not advance eastward. For years he has said that the "defensive missiles" erected near Russian borders constitute a threat. For years, US/NATO paid no attention. In December, Putin clearly laid out what was needed to satisfy Russia's security demands. He said if the security demands were not addressed, he would remove the threat.

The US/NATO has responded saying that every country is sovereign and has the right to defend itself as it sees fit and that Russia has no right to say who can't join NATO. Yet, at the same time, Ukraine has been asking for years to be a member of NATO, yet NATO won't let them in. Doesn't that seem the least bit contradictory? We defend the right for you to join the NATO alliance, but we aren't going to accept you. Hmm.

Russia is now in the process of removing the threat. And we are on the path to mutually assured ECONOMIC destruction. Hopefully that will be as far as it goes, because that alone is devastating.
 
Mr. Deez said:
A guy who rationalizes and carries water for a murderous dictator who's orders are killing innocent men, women, and children is lecturing me and questioning my Christianity because I pointed out that this woman is hot. That's gold.
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Keep slandering me. Keep lying about me. Keep repping the world system. It's all a joke I guess.
 
Musburger1 said:
Baaah! Baaaah! said the sheep.
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Here’s the thing- you don’t own it! If you would just admit that you think liberal democracy and free markets are a flawed system, that you prefer centrally planned authoritarianism and strong man rule, at least we could have honest conversations. Instead, you drop snippets critical of the US from RT, hoping that they will lead the community to your way of thinking. It’s a dishonest way of arguing and it’s never going to work.
 
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