Rolovich fired for vaccine refusal

[Horn2RunAgain]

Overweight deserve to die. Not sure we need to count them in the total. /s

See there? No pandemic.

"Mystery solved, off you go"
- from the TV show Frasier

 

[Creek]

I am buying a table of ten myself. Who wants to join me in January in Houston on Friday, January 14th and the summit in SugarLand (Smart Financial Center) on Saturday, January 15th. You can buy individual tickets as well. Hopefully we can fill a few tables up. I am inviting hundreds of people. Per Child proof America there are 200K + Children sex trafficked per year in the US, 79K in Texas. Houston is #1 in the US for sex trafficking! I am all in on this blight on society. Who will join me???

Call me jaded but if there wasn’t a dress up party would any of these ladies care?

 

[Creek]

It's the greatest threat to the elderly and overweight but claiming it's equivalent to flu is not accurate. That's not supported by any data I've seen. The flue is also the greatest threat to elderly and overweight but Covid-19 is on a level not previously seen since perhaps 1917.

So America is gonna potentially poison itself and go down economically to protect the fat and the near dead?

 

[Seattle Husker]

So America is gonna potentially poison itself and go down economically to protect the fat and the near dead?

Vaccines are "poison" now? The economic cost of treating Covid and potentially losing 3M to death (if we do nothing) is also significant. You may not care about your neighbors or family members but my parents and grandparent are dear to me. Most wouldn't be willing to sacrifice granny just so you can make an extra $1 and proclaim "my freedom!"

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Re post above mine..All of a sudden I'm reading a script from Days of Our Lives. I'll swing over to the Biden Accountability thread for some readable content

 

[Chop]

Plenty of folks these days seem to think like a British National Health System death panel. Old people, fat people, sick people, … let them die. And get on with it. Less financial strain on the system.

 

[OUBubba]

Plenty of folks these days seem to think like a British National Health System death panel. Old people, fat people, sick people, … let them die. And get on with it. Less financial strain on the system.

Philosophically, we spend a great deal of $ and heart at the end of life for no real benefit. Some of these cancer treatments make the last months of life painful. I think hospice is under utilized. The real question is do I think that for me/mine. We'll see one day, sadly.

 

[mchammer]

Plenty of folks these days seem to think like a British National Health System death panel. Old people, fat people, sick people, … let them die. And get on with it. Less financial strain on the system.

One is compulsory and the other is a choice. Big difference.

 

[Seattle Husker]

One is compulsory and the other is a choice. Big difference.

Being old is a choice.

 

[OUBubba]

One is compulsory and the other is a choice. Big difference.

Logan’s Run!

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Plenty of folks these days seem to think like a British National Health System death panel. Old people, fat people, sick people, … let them die. And get on with it. Less financial strain on the system.

Let it apply only to liberals since they are the ones advocating for such BS.

 

[Chop]

Let it apply only to liberals since they are the ones advocating for such BS.

What a fantastic idea! A political test for who lives and who dies that the death panels shall apply. What could go wrong?

Like the Inquisition, the “heretics” could be given a chance to recant and convert to the “correct” position to save themselves. Hmmmmm. Just not seeing any potential problems with this sort of thing…

 

[theiioftx]

One last time. I’ve been vaccinated. It does not mean I can’t get Covid or spread Covid.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Let it apply only to liberals since they are the ones advocating for such BS.

Someone clearly has not read this thread closely enough.

 

[mb227]

Plenty of folks these days seem to think like a British National Health System death panel. Old people, fat people, sick people, … let them die. And get on with it. Less financial strain on the system.

We were promised the death panels with the un-Affordable Care Act...now we see the push for them coming true.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Someone clearly has not read this thread closely enough.

I have but for shits and giggles I just reread it. I can't find a single post from anyone conservative saying they want it. Quite to the opposite all over this west mall board I see many non liberals saying its a stupid idea. I also have seen libs saying unvaccinated should be denied treatment. Let liberals be subject to death panels since they are the ones advocating for it.

 

[Seattle Husker]

I have but for shits and giggles I just reread it. I can't find a single post from anyone conservative saying they want it. Quite to the opposite all over this west mall board I see many non liberals saying its a stupid idea. I also have seen libs saying unvaccinated should be denied treatment. Let liberals be subject to death panels since they are the ones advocating for it.

@Horn2RunAgain might be offended with you calling him a liberal.

I think it's a threat to the elderly and the obese. Just going by data. Outside of those who are overweight or over 65, the flu seems to be a bigger threat to society, doesn't it? There are no mandates for the flu vaccine

If what bill Maher says is correct, 78%of covid deaths involved obese people, then it's no longer a mystery why 4 out of 5 deaths occur. Doesn't sound like much of a pandemic to me.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

@Horn2RunAgain might be offended with you calling him a liberal.

Wow, how the hell did you stretch that to say he believes in death panels? Quoting statistics doesn't support anything. Did I miss him saying they should be denied the vaccine or something? The part you people never understand is that denying healthcare is different than not seeking healthcare.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

I knew I shouldn't have clicked on "show ignored content".

But at least those two posts immediately reinforced why I have that poster ignored.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Wow, how the hell did you stretch that to say he believes in death panels? Quoting statistics doesn't support anything. Did I miss him saying they should be denied the vaccine or something? The part you people never understand is that denying healthcare is different than not seeking healthcare.

@Chop likened the lack of care for the overweight and elderly to the NIH Death Panels. It was the conservatives on the West Mall that have shared a callous lack of concern for the elderly and overweight based primarily around a claim that taking steps to protect those populations impact their "freedom" and pocketbooks. I gave you an example of one of the conservatives on the board expressing zero empathy for the elderly and overweight.

Not putting words in @Chop 's mouth but that particular conservative view to show no empathy for those populations most at risk is a default decision like the NIH example. Of course, in this case you have amateur medical practitioners advocating a survival of the fittest approach.

 

[mchammer]

@Chop likened the lack of care for the overweight and elderly to the NIH Death Panels. It was the conservatives on the West Mall that have shared a callous lack of concern for the elderly and overweight based primarily around a claim that taking steps to protect those populations impact their "freedom" and pocketbooks. I gave you an example of one of the conservatives on the board expressing zero empathy for the elderly and overweight.

Not putting words in @Chop 's mouth but that particular conservative view to show no empathy for those populations most at risk is a default decision like the NIH example. Of course, in this case you have amateur medical practitioners advocating a survival of the fittest approach.

It’s not that simple. What about the family who lost everything because of lockdowns on the healthy? Once you get beyond the hospitals being overloaded, it’s a matter of competing interests. What about the higher suicides, the higher road deaths, the higher strain on family finances? It’s not just about the fat people and the old.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

It was the conservatives on the West Mall that have shared a callous lack of concern for the elderly and overweight based primarily around a claim that taking steps to protect those populations impact their "freedom" and pocketbooks.

So you're saying the vaccine is ineffective? Or are you saying they're refusing the vaccine? I'm missing your point here. What do conservatives have to do with how fat and old people react to the virus?

This is the circle jerk y'all like to play. The vaccine is effective.....but it's the non vaccinateds fault even though it's well documented from practically every country on Earth the vaccinated are spreading the virus too. Again, it either works or it doesn't and what I do has no bearing on the fat and old. No one is deciding when or how they die like liberals around the world are suggesting.

 

[Seattle Husker]

It’s not that simple. What about the family who lost everything because of lockdowns on the healthy? Once you get beyond the hospitals being overloaded, it’s a matter of competing interests. What about the higher suicides, the higher road deaths, the higher strain on family finances? It’s not just about the fat people and the old.

Isn't that the point of the NIH comparison? Some are weighing financial impacts over the lives. The inference is that some are OK with more elderly and overweight (most impacted) dying rather than sacrifice economic growth. That's a choice. It's a choice that @Vol Horn 4 Life is saying isn't what we are debating. He's trying to tie liberals to that discussion when it's actually his ideological brethren advocating for wealth over life.

"Higher suicides, higher road deaths"? Hasn't the excess deaths analysis dispelled the notion that those increases are remotely comparable to the volume of Covid related deaths?

 

[Seattle Husker]

So you're saying the vaccine is ineffective? Or are you saying they're refusing the vaccine? I'm missing your point here. What do conservatives have to do with how fat and old people react to the virus?

This is the circle jerk y'all like to play. The vaccine is effective.....but it's the non vaccinateds fault even though it's well documented from practically every country on Earth the vaccinated are spreading the virus too. Again, it either works or it doesn't and what I do has no bearing on the fat and old. No one is deciding when or how they die like liberals around the world are suggesting.

Not sure how to react to this. YOU jumped into the conversation and were confused about who was advocating what. YOU tried to tie positions to the opposite ideology posters. When that's pointed out you decide to throw a bunch of crap against the wall hoping to distract from your own confusion? Please!

 

[mb227]

Isn't that the point of the NIH comparison? Some are weighing financial impacts over the lives. The inference is that some are OK with more elderly and overweight (most impacted) dying rather than sacrifice economic growth. That's a choice. It's a choice that @Vol Horn 4 Life is saying isn't what we are debating. He's trying to tie liberals to that discussion when it's actually his ideological brethren advocating for wealth over life.

"Higher suicides, higher road deaths"? Hasn't the excess deaths analysis dispelled the notion that those increases are remotely comparable to the volume of Covid related deaths?

Meanwhile, in the Unites States of effing America, we have libtiles clamoring to deny medical services to those who are "unvaccinated," no matter WHAT the service might be, because of "costs."

Now tell us who is prioritizing costs over lives.

 

[mchammer]

So you're saying the vaccine is ineffective? Or are you saying they're refusing the vaccine? I'm missing your point here. What do conservatives have to do with how fat and old people react to the virus?

This is the circle jerk y'all like to play. The vaccine is effective.....but it's the non vaccinateds fault even though it's well documented from practically every country on Earth the vaccinated are spreading the virus too. Again, it either works or it doesn't and what I do has no bearing on the fat and old. No one is deciding when or how they die like liberals around the world are suggesting.

Further, the vulnerable can stay home while the healthy go work and play (capitalism - let some get rich for the benefit of everyone). Yeah, I know that doesn’t sound fair, but neither is it fair that the healthy stay home just because there are old and fat people who are vulnerable (socialism - make everyone miserable).

Also, your argument has an underlying fallacy: strict behavior by the healthy will prevent infections. That is false with delta. EVERYONE will be exposed sooner or later. Why restrict your activities when folks are going to get exposed regardless?

 

[Seattle Husker]

Meanwhile, in the Unites States of effing America, we have libtiles clamoring to deny medical services to those who are "unvaccinated," no matter WHAT the service might be, because of "costs."

Now tell us who is prioritizing costs over lives.

Has anyone espoused that here? Maybe you should take that up with those that are "clamoring to deny medical services to those are "unvaccinated"" because they might be better prepared to answer that. Applying that to the progressives here is the typical strawman argument that is so prevalent here.

 

[mb227]

Has anyone espoused that here? Maybe you should take that up with those that are "clamoring to deny medical services to those are "unvaccinated"" because they might be better prepared to answer that. Applying that to the progressives here is the typical strawman argument that is so prevalent here.

Video just within the past few days of a Nurse Practitioner calling 9-1-1 AFTER a diagnosis was made but before medication prescribed because she learned that the kid was not vaccinnated.

And let us not forget the hospital in Colorado that refused a transplant over vax status.

And there is the clamoring that anyone not 'vaccinated' should be denied care which has even been applauded by the Chinese News Network, I mean CNN.

The accounts are out there. You simply choose to ignore them because it is inconvenient to the totalitarian view you espouse that people should not have a say in what medical experiments they participate in...and yes, this IS all still a lab experiment.

 

[Monahorns]

Isn't that the point of the NIH comparison? Some are weighing financial impacts over the lives. The inference is that some are OK with more elderly and overweight (most impacted) dying rather than sacrifice economic growth. That's a choice. It's a choice that @Vol Horn 4 Life is saying isn't what we are debating. He's trying to tie liberals to that discussion when it's actually his ideological brethren advocating for wealth over life.

Like usual you are missing the point raised. Conservative are for freedom of choice. That doesn't mean they want old or fat people to refuse the vaccine or die. It just means they are against mandates. That is the moral and ethical view point.

 

[Monahorns]

Further, the vulnerable can stay home while the healthy go work and play (capitalism - let some get rich for the benefit of everyone). Yeah, I know that doesn’t sound fair, but neither is it fair that the healthy stay home just because there are old and fat people who are vulnerable (socialism - make everyone miserable).

This has been the way society handled disease and health compromised for all of history. It is the morally and ethically correct view because you don't force young and healthy people to stop living.