Riots in Minneapolis

That is something I did not know. It seems pretty basic that the first thing is they should tell you why they pulled you over.
 
mb227 said:
Do you have a right? Sure. It will be provided to you in due course. You DO NOT have the right to demand disclosure before you decide whether or not you are going to follow instructions.

For most people who follow instructions, a traffic stop will convey that information not long after the officer has gotten to the door (after having first touched the trunk or tailgate, leaving their print). And at night, it is ALSO not uncommon for the holster to have already been unlatched, even if you are a 90-year old woman...

It is the same as if an officer or detective comes into your workplace and advises you to place your hands behind your back. The charge is generally going to be announced right as they go into the Miranda warnings, but you don't get to refuse to follow the instructions, again, not even if you are a 90-year old woman...
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You should do as the officer says and save your words for the magistrate (if you get hauled in). If the magistrate doesn’t believe you, you say “looking forward to my day in court”. Do it politely because he sets bail or can let you go based on your own recognizance.
 
In the few times I've been pulled over the first sentence every single time is "Hello sir, do you know why I pulled you over?" I imagine if it took me a mile+ to pull over that may not be the first sentence or question.
 
Horn6721 said:
That is something I did not know. It seems pretty basic that the first thing is they should tell you why they pulled you over.
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They may not want to tell you if it is part of some effort to nab drug runners, for instance. I was pulled over last year for a burnt out head lamp I wasn’t aware of. I didn’t ask initially even though I was curious why. I used the opportunity to do what I had read to do (I knew it anyway, but it’s been a while since I had been pulled over. Also, I showed my son who was in the front passenger seat). Maybe it’s because I have been pulled over many times for speeding, illegal left turns, expired registration, etc.
 
mb227 said:
He stopped almost a mile a way from where he was lit up.

Every time I have been pulled over, I had my window down as the officer approached and did as they asked, whether it was to remain in the vehicle or to step to the back. The CLOSEST I came to any real issue where there was disagreement was a stop in Indiana where the Trooper tried to give me grief because I didn't have the registration paperwork in the car (umm...we use the license plate for that where I come from). Still...I was cooperative, I signed for my ticket and then dealt with it when I returned to Texas (with the prosecutor dropping it below the level that would require reporting to Texas under reciprocity agreements).

Adhering to very simple instruction is a very easy way to avoid problems.



Again, the footage (body cam, not dash cam) suggests there were street lights. I don't know if there was any side street or other driveway to go into that was closer than a mile away. But when someone waits a MILE to finally indicate they are stopping, it rightfully escalates the potential that awaits the officer(s).

Further, nowhere when he begins whining at the beginning do you hear him utter a single word about having tried to go to a more lit area for his safety or that of the officers. Instead, he instantly went into the victim mode and THEN pulled the DYKWIA card.
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As I stated here before, I was pulled over, asked to get out of the car and handcuffed for simply having an out of state plate in ironically, Indiana. But my point then and now is some cops become cops because they have an inferiority complex and they crave the power law enforcement gives them. It has absolutely nothing to do with race. You're certainly correct though, 95% of the time if you just comply with the officers instructions you have nothing to worry about even if you're a purple alien from the planet pluton.
 
Horn6721 said:
That is something I did not know. It seems pretty basic that the first thing is they should tell you why they pulled you over.
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Depending on the situation, the first they they want to know is if there's some reason why they might get killed. Outstanding warrants, drugs in the car, leaving a crime scene, etc.

Adult behavior is to de-charge the situation by giving them the information they ask for, and obeying basic commands like window roll down, in-out of vehicle, or if needed, being cuffed. You're not going to argue your way to success with them or any government employee. Adult behavior by you makes their Parent behavior look even worse.

What you don't do is revert to Child behavior, like saying the same thing over and over again like LT. Man-Child, or ignoring their direct commands. That's what a child does when you say no ice cream before dinner, and they whine over and over "But why, I want it now!!!".
 
Horn6721 said:
That is something I did not know. It seems pretty basic that the first thing is they should tell you why they pulled you over.
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For those who actually pull over when lit up, it is usually the third thing they say...behind "good morning/afternoon/evening, I'm officer/trooper with [agency]" and "do you know why I pulled you over."

More than one officer with every agency out there has had an instance of a slow-roll where the reason for delay was to hide contraband. Believe it or not, this is sometimes why the officer/trooper at the side of the window may comment on sloppiness in the cabin if there are wadded up fast-food bags...

You watch enough case videos and it becomes very easy to see HOW the incident with the Lt. turned into a called 'felony stop.' It holds just as true in rural areas as in metro areas...the ones I just watched the other day were from Orange County in an area where there were no street lights.
 
mb
I respect your knowledge on this
But for most of us,even average citizens, wouldn't the first question, response be you were pulled over because ??.
 
Horn6721 said:
mb
I respect your knowledge on this
But for most of us,even average citizens, wouldn't the first question, response be you were pulled over because ??.
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Not when they are standing behind the vehicle with a weapon drawn directing me to get out of the vehicle.
 
Last time I was pulled over was in Driscoll, Texas, a town one mile long with four cops working that one mile stretch of 77.

Conversation:

Where are you going?
Why are you going there?
Where are you coming from?
Why were you there?
Nice watch
Did you know one of the lights on you license plate is burned out? (I didn't know my license plates had a light)

When I asked if I could get out and see what he was talking about, he said sure. He showed me, and told me to have it fixed before I came back through. Then he added, "You know how it is down here, we look for reasons to pull people over. Never know what we'll find. Drive safe."
 
Just pull over and obey orders. Sure you will run into an occasional jerk. It’s not your choice to drive a mile after FOR THEIR SAFETY. The further you drive after the first attempt to pull you over the more you are escalating the situation. It’s just common sense which liberals lack.

I also love the Monday morning quarterbacking from people who have zero experience with dealing with the idiots police face everyday.
 
Garmel said:
The cops threatened to bring charges against him if he complained about their conduct. That's on the footage. Their gooses are cooked.
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At some point the two dipsh!ts (Buford T Justice and that cop from Cool Hand Luke) realized ‘uh oh. We really fukd up here.’ So they threaten him if he filed a complaint—only making it worse for them. “You gonna ride the lightnin boy!” They’re like cops from a bad movie.
 
I guess I would wonder why they had their weapons drawn.
Is it common for LOE to have weapons drawn against someone who pulled over into a lighted area with their emergency flashers on?
 
From the Illinois "Rules Of The Road" (This is not hard to understand):

"Proper Action When Stopped by Law Enforcement

For the safety of vehicle operators and law enforcement officers, drivers stopped by police should adhere to the following suggestions:

  • Slow down, activate turn signal and safely pull over on to the right-hand shoulder of the

    roadway. If there is no shoulder or it is too narrow to pull over, the driver should find the

    next safest location and pull over.

  • Do not slam on the brakes or stop in the lane of traffic. Drivers should not stop their vehi-

    cle on bridges, curves, next to guardrails, concrete walls, medians or any place where it would be difficult for other vehicles to pass. A vehicle should not be stopped too close to the solid white line, as it may get struck by oncoming traffic.

  • Stay in the vehicle with both hands clearly in sight on the steering wheel. Drivers should keep their hands on the steering wheel until the police officer instructs them otherwise or the traffic stop is complete.

  • Be prepared for the officer to approach from either the driver or passenger side of the vehicle.

  • Do not exit the vehicle unless asked to do so. Getting out of the vehicle can be perceived as aggressive behavior and a threat to the police officer’s safety.

  • Comply with the officer’s request to see a driver’s license and proof of insurance. If these items are in the glove box or under the seat or if the proof of insurance is stored for display on a cellphone, the driver should inform the police officer of that fact and then follow the officer’s directions before retrieving the information. Vehicle operators are required to have a valid driver’s license, registration and insurance in order to operate a vehicle.

  • If a driver cannot identify an unmarked police vehicle and/or the driver as law enforcement, he/she should drive slowly and carefully below the speed limit and either (1) pull over at a well-lit, populated location, (2) drive carefully to the nearest police station and attempt to attract the attention of a uniformed officer or (3) call 9-1-1. A driver should activate the vehicle’s hazard lights as a helpful way to communicate intentions with the police officer.

  • If a driver is being stopped at night, it is acceptable to turn on the interior light of the vehicle.

    A traffic stop could indicate the driver has committed a minor traffic violation without real- izing it. There also may be a problem with the vehicle of which the driver is unaware or the vehicle may be similar to one used in a serious crime. Many officers will not provide the driver with specific reasons for the stop until they have obtained the driver’s license, vehicle registration and insurance card from the driver."

    Are some of you triggered by the yelling from these cops? POS cops? Wow, some of you really need some help. Don't try to convince me otherwise. You will be wasting your time.
 
These two sorry POS cops will pay. They f’ed up royally. If you’re so incredibly blind that you can’t see this already, you’ll see in due time. But some people want a police state. The authoritarian personality runs deep in many. There are plenty of countries well suited for such personality types. I hear the tropical workers paradise of Cuba is nice this time of year.
 
Chop said:
These two sorry POS cops will pay. They f’ed up royally. If you’re so incredibly blind that you can’t see this already, you’ll see in due time. But some people want a police state. The authoritarian personality runs deep in many.
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Wow man, if you are saying that about me, I don't know what to say. Authoritarian state? You really lost me with your Shaka love, now this. I'm SURE you know the absolute full story of this entire traffic stop. Another internet cop.
 
horninchicago said:
Wow man, if you are saying that about me, I don't know what to say. Authoritarian state? You really lost me with your Shaka love, now this. I'm SURE you know the absolute full story of this entire traffic stop. Another internet cop.
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Another apologist for anything the authorities might do. How anyone sane can excuse this is baffling.
 
Chop said:
These two sorry POS cops will pay. They f’ed up royally. If you’re so incredibly blind that you can’t see this already, you’ll see in due time. But some people want a police state. The authoritarian personality runs deep in many. There are plenty of countries well suited for such personality types. I hear the tropical workers paradise of Cuba is nice this time of year.
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Were you there Chop? Pretty strong view from the Twitterverse.
 
Chop,

I tell people, particularly young people, the #1 rule of life is to know who you're ******* with before you **** with em. I have met HIC - great guy, but definitely not a guy to start **** with.
 
theiioftx said:
I asked if you were there. Did you see everything or are you just being an internet prosecutor?
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Nobody on these boards was there in person. Same thing with the Floyd case and all other such cases discussed before on these boards. And there is an awful lot of discussion of the Floyd case on these boards. These are internet discussion boards where people talk about current events and other such things and express opinions.

As for the Virginia event— what was especially damning was that the cops threatened the Lieutenant if he were to file a complaint.
 
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