Riots in Minneapolis
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I’m not sure what degree of homicide he’s been charged with, or even what the elements of that crime are under Minnesota law. Just saying that folks shouldn’t expect a slam dunk or easy layup here. The reason why so many prosecutors have absurdly high conviction %s is that they normally only take the cases to trial that are an easy layup or a slam dunk. The rest they settle out / plea bargain. Exception—high profile cases like this one. Then again, maybe they could have charged him with manslaughter and made it a mid ranged jumper. Who knows.
They must have unanimous jury votes to stick him with a criminal conviction. Just one holdout...
What Chauvin did looked really bad. I’m just saying it’s going to be tough to get him on a murder/homicide at trial.
They must have unanimous jury votes to stick him with a criminal conviction. Just one holdout...
What Chauvin did looked really bad. I’m just saying it’s going to be tough to get him on a murder/homicide at trial.
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The reason they didn't just go with a lesser offense is precisely because they were seeking to appease the woke mobs destroying the City.
The jury will actually get to see what the mainstream media wants people to believe doesn't exist- video of the problem Floyd was already being BEFORE Chauvin arrived AND they will get the complete autopsy. They will ALSO get the Minnesota training that all agencies up there were given related to restraint.
For many, it will be similar to the impeachment in that it will be the first time they see videos in full context.
Yet, despite a jury hearing all of the evidence, the woke mobs won't be happy since, to them, due process of law doesn't matter.
Nothing but my opinion, based on incomplete information, before the trial has even started (other than a fraction of jury selection), so take this for what it's worth (less than one Peso
), but...I'd say, right about now, it's somewhere around:
65% he walks
35% he's found guilty
And that might be a tad generous towards the State...
the charge to the jury in this case is a mess and it contains several different offenses; one of the ones the state wants is up in the air because of a recent intermediate court opinion and the best way to proceed is to wait for the state's highest court to render an opinion on the applicability of that provision. The trial judge has decided to proceed without that disposition so it could be that Chauvin might get two shots if he was convicted of one of the offenses and the court decided it was not appropriate. Or, he could be convicted of a lesser offense and the appellate court might decide that it was harmful error to go to trial on a count that was not applicable and that he was not convicted of. It is a mess and the kind of stuff that appellate lawyers love.
I think they have a huge problem trying this case in the venue where it occurred. Too many jurors too scared and for good cause.
If he is acquitted the riots are going to be awesome.
I think they have a huge problem trying this case in the venue where it occurred. Too many jurors too scared and for good cause.
If he is acquitted the riots are going to be awesome.
Chauvin WILL be acquitted if the evidence is presented and the jury doesn't give in to emotions.
The blood and destruction that will result from his acquittal will be 100% on the hands of the media.
The blood and destruction that will result from his acquittal will be 100% on the hands of the media.
Even if there is a conviction on one of the lesser offenses, there will be riots because it isn't ever going to be enough for the SJW mobs...and then they will be upset when they discover that Chauvin won't be able to be housed in the State facilities and will instead be sent to a federal facility and housed consistent with WITSEC procedures (name and number won't appear on the locator and mail is not sent or received using name).
Some joy may be had in how quickly the feds reply to any sort of inquiry about a WITSEC case though...went through that in my previous office where I tried calling the unit to follow up on an inquiry we had received. After being told the inmate did not exist and that they could give me no information, I got a phone call from a DC office within moments wanting to know what my interest was in the guy...
Not even sure what that one was in for...he had a concurrent Texas sentence and was wanting to hire us for work on that matter. The reason I called in the first place was that when I tried to find him on the locator to confirm full name and the facility address, he wasn't there. Address was close, but still different and not one located on directories for the unit.
I did have one that was a Texas case (only) and who was sent to the feds. It was always kind of funny when he would call because he would identify himself only by initials, which is all that was also permitted on the incoming and outgoing mail. I never met the kid face-to-face but he was interesting to talk to and ALSO had the support of the sentencing judge, which is how we managed to get a release. Unfortunately, he disappeared off of the radar soon after release and I suspect became the victim of a hit. Co-defs had gone to death row.
Our civilization cannot allow the mob to override the law. That's getting pretty near to the end of the road to ruin. In this instance, the jury guided by the law may convict Chauvin, or it may acquit him--but it must be based on the facts admitted at trial and the law, without any influence from the angry mob.
Think of John Adams defending the British soldier at trial!
Think of John Adams defending the British soldier at trial!
Where TF are the Federal Marshalls? They're supposed to defend such installations.
The Capitol security really dropped the ball during that post-election angry mob storming the Capitol incident. Now, the Marshalls allow this sort of mess. Federal employees have got to be feeling a bit uneasy these days...
Maybe it's Hollywood's fault.
"The Joker" came out a little bit before all this, and pretty soon, they're rioting uncontrollably and burning down stuff in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Seattle, Portland, lots of other places, and an angry mob stormed and took over much of the Capitol building...
He ushered in this age of chaos and anarchy.
"The Joker" came out a little bit before all this, and pretty soon, they're rioting uncontrollably and burning down stuff in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Seattle, Portland, lots of other places, and an angry mob stormed and took over much of the Capitol building...
He ushered in this age of chaos and anarchy.
Now which one of my relatives can I get to become a druggie, thief and all around loser.
Minneapolis approves $27 million settlement with George Floyd's family - CBS News
Minneapolis approves $27 million settlement with George Floyd's family - CBS News
What was Floyd doing for his family all this time before his death? Was he providing for them in ANY way?
They were only out of pocket for the funeral cost, if at that.
Y'all are racist for asking those legitimate and sense;e questions.
OUBubba
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Is this ol' boy out on bail?
Why do you ask? Is Kamala bailing out rioters again?
AustinHorn24
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Chauvin appears to me to be guilty of 2nd degree manslaughter at the least, which does not require intent to prove but instead only requires that the perp created "an unreasonable risk" of serious harm or death.
What I don't get is what was the cops plan in this scenario? They are just sitting on him doing nothing for close to 10 mins. Were they just going to sit there for 30 mins or an hour and do what exactly? Just keep sitting on him? What was their end plan? They had him restrained, what the hell are they waiting on? Do they really need backup when they have 4 cops at the scene already? Does it really take 5 or 8 cops to put a dude who's fully restrained in the back of the car? If so then those cops need to go to the gym more often.
The bystander video shows that Floyd didn't move again 5 mins after they put him on the ground so it's not like he was rolling all over the place the entire time. Just take a look at Chauvin's expression through the video, he's very relaxed and calm the entire time, he's not fighting to contain Floyd except for the first couple of mins he's on the ground.
What I don't get is what was the cops plan in this scenario? They are just sitting on him doing nothing for close to 10 mins. Were they just going to sit there for 30 mins or an hour and do what exactly? Just keep sitting on him? What was their end plan? They had him restrained, what the hell are they waiting on? Do they really need backup when they have 4 cops at the scene already? Does it really take 5 or 8 cops to put a dude who's fully restrained in the back of the car? If so then those cops need to go to the gym more often.
The bystander video shows that Floyd didn't move again 5 mins after they put him on the ground so it's not like he was rolling all over the place the entire time. Just take a look at Chauvin's expression through the video, he's very relaxed and calm the entire time, he's not fighting to contain Floyd except for the first couple of mins he's on the ground.
AustinHorn24
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Knowing how "woke" the Minneapolis city council is, I'm surprised they didn't fork over 50 million.
Johnnie Cochran is rolling in his grave right now knowing he could have took this case and got Minneapolis to cough up at least 50 or 100 large.
And they may indeed get a conviction on that count. Or they may not. Gotta see all the admitted evidence. Also, the State must prove causation beyond a reasonable doubt, and all jurors must agree. That’s not an easy layup. The video looked pretty bad, but there’s more to it than that.
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