Riots in Minneapolis

OUBubba said:
I am part of "the village" that you mock for two kids. They are no relation whatsoever. The 9 year old girl I picked up from her uncle one Saturday when she was 3 months old. My wife called and said "don't ask any questions but go to ____'s house and pick up that baby". I did and we've been in her life for days/months at a time in the past. It allowed my daughters to see some of how life could be and to impact a child's life. She calls them her sisters. She's been to every ball field in the state of Oklahoma with us. We have just started keeping a 4 year old boy from that same universe but no relation. I'm in my early 50's and I may end up raising this sweet little kid. I don't mind. I'm part of the village. It's not socialism, it's more like the Golden Rule.

Some would argue that I'm not "Christian" as I have a certain level of agnosticism in my heart (my favorite Proverb: I believe, help my disbelief). I've been involved in my church for the last 25 years. I've been everything from the sound guy to the Treasurer to the 7th grade boys sunday school teacher. I figure my actions have been more in line with the Golden Rule than a ton of my friends who are so worried about Muslims that they voted for that twisted soul.
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What you have done is incredibly admirable, Bubba. Where I have a problem is when we try to involve the government in doing what you did out of altruism. Your definition of the "village" is righteous. Hillary's definition, and that of other big government types, not so much.
 
OUBubba said:
I am part of "the village" that you mock for two kids. They are no relation whatsoever. The 9 year old girl I picked up from her uncle one Saturday when she was 3 months old. My wife called and said "don't ask any questions but go to ____'s house and pick up that baby". I did and we've been in her life for days/months at a time in the past. It allowed my daughters to see some of how life could be and to impact a child's life. She calls them her sisters. She's been to every ball field in the state of Oklahoma with us. We have just started keeping a 4 year old boy from that same universe but no relation. I'm in my early 50's and I may end up raising this sweet little kid. I don't mind. I'm part of the village. It's not socialism, it's more like the Golden Rule.

Some would argue that I'm not "Christian" as I have a certain level of agnosticism in my heart (my favorite Proverb: I believe, help my disbelief). I've been involved in my church for the last 25 years. I've been everything from the sound guy to the Treasurer to the 7th grade boys sunday school teacher. I figure my actions have been more in line with the Golden Rule than a ton of my friends who are so worried about Muslims that they voted for that twisted soul.
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You're a great guy for what you've done for those kids that you're not even related to.

But enough kum-ba-yah stuff; OU still sucks!
 
This BS is coming to my town tomorrow.

So a friend was at a bar last night and overheard a conversation about why this needed to happen. My daughter and his daughter were both on the softball team and warming up before practice. My daughter threw the ball, her daughter missed it and it hit her in the face. The dude literally said my daughter hit her in the face on purpose because she's black and racism like that needs to be stopped. My friend stepped in to stand up for my daughter but he wanted nothing to do with it.

Some people can turn literally anything into racism. Two girls throwing a ball turned into my daughter being a racist. I just don't understand people like him and LH.
 
OUBubba said:
I look at it more like we are already in this shitshow. This will make it better in the short term. Hopefully, improving the short term we will improve the long term. I'm not going to drill down into outcomes of social programs like after school tutoring or open gym or mentorship programs. I'd like to think that if I'm a plumber and I have a free worker with me for a summer or two and someone scholarships the kid's vo-tech expenditures in the future to allow him to learn a trade that my mentoring of him would have had some "value".
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Your answer is non-responsive. You want to break the thermometer because the room is hot. Does BM...BLM provide an incentive or disincentive with their "disruption"? Actually, are they really disrupting anything, or just dealing with the existing disruption of millions of bastard children?
 
The police are not to protect us from criminals so much as to protect criminals from us. Careful what you wish for, antifa and blm.
 
I bought 6 police officers in Jacksonville FL dinner Wednesday night. I told the hostess to get me their check, but don’t tell them who bought it. I suggest everyone do something similar when you have a chance. I’ve been doing this for many years after losing a best friend who was a police officer who died in Iraq.

It pays you back in more ways than one. The 30 minute wait for a seat I was facing turned into immediate seating by the manager.
 
iis!! Amazing gesture
If people think we can defund police and have a peaceful life we should send them to Russia
 
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LH, I am intrigued by your ongoing and biased cherry picking of negative info of people that have had enough, fearful, defending themselves, their loved ones or businesses. NORMAL Americans. Yes, a few may have made a bad decision or acted out.

However, you choose to embrace but ignore the hateful and hostile actions of the far left. The non peaceful protestors, the violent, the law enforcement haters, looters, anarchists, etc. To you they are the victims.

I dont recall that you mentioned the young minority woman protester whose sister was shot and killed by another peaceful protestor, plus many others.
 
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She tried to stop looting or am I missing it? By the way, you are the last low life frequent poster not to pay for this site. It’s really easy. Dion gives multiple options. I can either think you are different than me or just a trolling *******. Step up man. Time to contribute.
 
’m told the entire @BPDAlerts Emergency Response Team has resigned from the team, a total of 57 officers, as a show of support for the officers who are suspended without pay after shoving Martin Gugino, 75. They are still employed, but no longer on ERT
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Well that's one way to quickly weed out the bad apples on the team....
 
theiioftx said:
She tried to stop looting or am I missing it? By the way, you are the last low life frequent poster not to pay for this site. It’s really easy. Dion gives multiple options. I can either think you are different than me or just a trolling *******. Step up man. Time to contribute.
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He’s still waiting for his Obama-phone. Though there is no excuse now with the Trump checks.
 
LongestHorn said:
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Get the players off the field for the national anthem. The anthem is about patriotism for the greatest nation on earth. It shouldnt be used as a platform for politics, police brutality no less. Racism is completely illegal in this country in every possible way, thanks to the republic the flag and anthem represent.

We are all incredibly lucky to be here. There are literally BILLIONS of people on this planet that would give anything to trade places with us.
 
LongestHorn said:

Accountability? No thank you.
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I know of a few Unions that will not be voting Democrat this November. I hope these blue cities do cut police funding. Crime is a disease and they want to fire the doctors that specialize in that disease.

Sort of reminds me of the movie Demolition man. Replacement cops won't be equipped to handle real criminals. Oh, and lets not forget all the criminals they just let out of Jail. I'm willing to bet all those guys are reformed. This country is falling apart, or maybe I should say blue states are falling apart.
 
2003TexasGrad said:
Racism is completely illegal in this country in every possible way, thanks to the republic the flag and anthem represent.
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The lack of perspective the Left has on racial issues is astounding to no end. People who call the US oppressive to minorities don't know what oppression looks like. Try being a Jew in Poland in 1940. That is oppression. Try being anything other than a Muslim (a Christian, a Jew, a Hindu, a Buddhist, an atheist) in Muslim country - especially if outspoken about it. Hell, try being a Muslim in China. Try being critical of communism in North Korea or Cuba. You'll see real oppression.
 
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Terrific article about the failure of liberal policies
Opinion | Liberal Cities, Radical Mayhem

Systemic racism’ is ‘systemic forgetting’ of 55 years of liberal policy failures in the cities the 1965 Great Society policy was designed to help. Tagging the failure now as racism. After many, many trillions of dollars, it’s been a failure for half a century.​
 
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Another terrific WSJ piece
TRIGGER WARNING -- Some of you will not like this piece because it uses facts and statistics rather than emotions and opinion. Apologies to you in advance

"The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias. The Myth of Systemic Police Racism - WSJ​

" .... This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

On Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone, 10 African-Americans were killed in drive-by shootings. Such routine violence has continued—a 72-year-old Chicago man shot in the face on May 29 by a gunman who fired about a dozen shots into a residence; two 19-year-old women on the South Side shot to death as they sat in a parked car a few hours earlier; a 16-year-old boy fatally stabbed with his own knife that same day. This past weekend, 80 Chicagoans were shot in drive-by shootings, 21 fatally, the victims overwhelmingly black. Police shootings are not the reason that blacks die of homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined; criminal violence is....."​
full article in case it is paywalled

George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis has revived the Obama-era narrative that law enforcement is endemically racist. On Friday, Barack Obama tweeted that for millions of black Americans, being treated differently by the criminal justice system on account of race is “tragically, painfully, maddeningly ‘normal.’ ” Mr. Obama called on the police and the public to create a “new normal,” in which bigotry no longer “infects our institutions and our hearts.”

Joe Biden released a video the same day in which he asserted that all African-Americans fear for their safety from “bad police” and black children must be instructed to tolerate police abuse just so they can “make it home.” That echoed a claim Mr. Obama made after the ambush murder of five Dallas officers in July 2016. During their memorial service, the president said African-American parents were right to fear that their children may be killed by police officers whenever they go outside.

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz denounced the “stain . . . of fundamental, institutional racism” on law enforcement during a Friday press conference. He claimed blacks were right to dismiss promises of police reform as empty verbiage.

This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

On Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone, 10 African-Americans were killed in drive-by shootings. Such routine violence has continued—a 72-year-old Chicago man shot in the face on May 29 by a gunman who fired about a dozen shots into a residence; two 19-year-old women on the South Side shot to death as they sat in a parked car a few hours earlier; a 16-year-old boy fatally stabbed with his own knife that same day. This past weekend, 80 Chicagoans were shot in drive-by shootings, 21 fatally, the victims overwhelmingly black. Police shootings are not the reason that blacks die of homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined; criminal violence is.

The latest in a series of studies undercutting the claim of systemic police bias was published in August 2019 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The researchers found that the more frequently officers encounter violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the chance that a member of that group will be fatally shot by a police officer. There is “no significant evidence of antiblack disparity in the likelihood of being fatally shot by police,” they concluded.

A 2015 Justice Department analysis of the Philadelphia Police Department found that white police officers were less likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot unarmed black suspects. Research by Harvard economist Roland G. Fryer Jr. also found no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings. Any evidence to the contrary fails to take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police.

The false narrative of systemic police bias resulted in targeted killings of officers during the Obama presidency. The pattern may be repeating itself. Officers are being assaulted and shot at while they try to arrest gun suspects or respond to the growing riots. Police precincts and courthouses have been destroyed with impunity, which will encourage more civilization-destroying violence. If the Ferguson effect of officers backing off law enforcement in minority neighborhoods is reborn as the Minneapolis effect, the thousands of law-abiding African-Americans who depend on the police for basic safety will once again be the victims.

The Minneapolis officers who arrested George Floyd must be held accountable for their excessive use of force and callous indifference to his distress. Police training needs to double down on de-escalation tactics. But Floyd’s death should not undermine the legitimacy of American law enforcement, without which we will continue on a path toward chaos.

Ms. Mac Donald is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and the author of “The War on Cops,” (Encounter Books, 2016).
 
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Garmel said:
He was looking for trouble and got it.

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You know, I was thinking about this video last night. Something didn’t make sense. Why would a old man be outside among the rabble rousers? It occurred to me that he could be like that Indian dude who got in the grill of that kid from Covington, KY.
 
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