LongestHorn
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Rednecks shoot black kid running in neighborhood
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Which would be legit.
How cute, the convicted felon and thug is smiling. I’m sure his family members with criminal records must have been proud.
LongestHorn
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**** Racists
Telling the truth is racism? While I agree those two should be held for murder don't try to put Arbery on a pedestal. He's a piece of **** criminal.
I don't think you can claim citizen's arrest in this case.
OUBubba
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According to the Communist News Network to invoke the citizen's arrest for this you'd have to have witnessed him committing an offense and you could not use force to detain. I think self defense will be a loser as well as he was no threat to them and they initiated the altercation.
Austin_Bill
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Unless the guy committed a violent crime against another person, they still were not justified. This happened 3 months ago, they killed him and ran and never came forward, that should tell you they were cowards and knew they were wrong. I say turn them over to the black community for real justice.
According to the District Attorney, there is a video of the kid burglarizing a home prior to the shooting. Still doesn't justify the shooting but if true it makes the victim a lot less sympathetic. I have no tolerance for thieves.
Two Weapons, a Chase, a Killing and No Charges
Two Weapons, a Chase, a Killing and No Charges
The real winners in this scenario are the homeowners in the neighborhood that will no longer subjected to home invasion by this deceased felon.
LongestHorn
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**** Racists
I can't see the racism. Point it out to me.
This case sums of the state of politics in America. Everyone is lining up to get behind the "wrong party" they favor.
The vigilantes and the criminal were all wrong.
First off, the victim was not innocent nor out for a jog (who jogs in khakis?). He broke into a house. He was a criminal.
Given that the two vigilantes did indeed stop the correct burglar, they are not racist. Race has nothing to do with this. The question is "if a citizen sees a criminal outside of their own property, do they have the right to chase down, attempt to arrest and potentially shoot said criminal?" The answer is NO. I like westerns, but we do not want to live in the wild west.
The vigilantes may have correctly identified the criminal and it is completely understandable for them not to want him to get away. That said, they do not have the right to chase him down with guns or shoot him. We live in a society of law and order. Why is vigilante justice bad? Well, A) someone was killed that did not deserve to be killed, B) chasing someone down with a gun is likely to escalate into a shooting or violence, and C) they could have easily gotten the wrong person and killed an innocent person instead. If the police are doing a bad job at catching burgers, there are democratic ways to demand the police do a better job.
I agree the vigilantes were wrong and should be prosecuted. That said, this should not devolve into racial drivel or telling lies about a clearly guilty victim. Just because one side is bad and did the wrong thing does not mean the other side is good... and that goes both ways in this case.
If the deceased had decided not to commit a crime, he would be alive today. If the vigilantes had not confronted the deceased with guns, they would not be subject to potential prosecution and national scorn (in fact, if they had simply tailed him and called the police rather than confront him with guns they may even have been considered heroes). All three did the wrong thing and often when people do the wrong thing, bad outcomes occur.
@IvanDiabloHorn is correct in that the only real winners are the neighbors who will no longer have a criminal and trigger happy vigilantes running around their neighborhood.
The vigilantes and the criminal were all wrong.
First off, the victim was not innocent nor out for a jog (who jogs in khakis?). He broke into a house. He was a criminal.
Given that the two vigilantes did indeed stop the correct burglar, they are not racist. Race has nothing to do with this. The question is "if a citizen sees a criminal outside of their own property, do they have the right to chase down, attempt to arrest and potentially shoot said criminal?" The answer is NO. I like westerns, but we do not want to live in the wild west.
The vigilantes may have correctly identified the criminal and it is completely understandable for them not to want him to get away. That said, they do not have the right to chase him down with guns or shoot him. We live in a society of law and order. Why is vigilante justice bad? Well, A) someone was killed that did not deserve to be killed, B) chasing someone down with a gun is likely to escalate into a shooting or violence, and C) they could have easily gotten the wrong person and killed an innocent person instead. If the police are doing a bad job at catching burgers, there are democratic ways to demand the police do a better job.
I agree the vigilantes were wrong and should be prosecuted. That said, this should not devolve into racial drivel or telling lies about a clearly guilty victim. Just because one side is bad and did the wrong thing does not mean the other side is good... and that goes both ways in this case.
If the deceased had decided not to commit a crime, he would be alive today. If the vigilantes had not confronted the deceased with guns, they would not be subject to potential prosecution and national scorn (in fact, if they had simply tailed him and called the police rather than confront him with guns they may even have been considered heroes). All three did the wrong thing and often when people do the wrong thing, bad outcomes occur.
@IvanDiabloHorn is correct in that the only real winners are the neighbors who will no longer have a criminal and trigger happy vigilantes running around their neighborhood.
Austin_Bill
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Your assumption is that he was a felon who was breaking into houses. Even if he was the criminal, it's not a crime worthy of death. My guess is these idiots were looking for a black guy and he was black and running and thus assumed he was guilty. The fact that they used deadly force makes them much more guilty in this. Like I said, I don't care what the young man did, what they did was wrong and should be brought to justice.
While I agree both should be prosecuted, it appears they knew the victim. It does not appear they went after him simply because he was black.
Ahmaud Arbery: Suspect in killing was involved in prior investigation of 25-year-old - CNN
I agree that they should be prosecuted, they were wrong and that the deceased did not deserve to be shot or die. That said: 1. the victim was guilty and they correctly identified the burglar; 2. one actually knew him from a prior criminal investigation and it is therefore unlikely he saw him as a "random black dude"; and, finally, 3. the dude was not a kid.
There is no need to spread mistruths or try to make this racist. The vigilantes are still wrong.
Austin_Bill
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Lost in all of this is the fact this act happened 3 months ago. It's only now coming to light because who ever took the video released it on the internet and the police finally had information on this. The family of this young man had no idea why he was killed only that he was killed.
The fact these ******** didn't stick around to tell their story is admission of guilt to me. They killed him and left the scene, to me that makes them murders plain and simple.
Austin_Bill
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I have yet to call the victim a kid even though old dudes like me might consider him a kid. Was there any stolen items found on the victim? I have not read that any stolen items were recovered? Has anyone come forward identifying him as breaking into their home? Should be easy to prove if the video exists. should be police reports of other victims.
All this is secondary to the fact this happened 3 months ago and is only now coming to light.
I agree with you. They did not murder someone without valid legal excuse. The victim did not deserve to be murdered. That said, this really is not a case about race and I am tired of people making it about race.
I was not there. Given that I have never met any of these people, I technically cannot say for certain any of them even exist. I can only go off our inaccurate media reports. That said, articles posted here and elsewhere strongly indicate he was indeed a burglar.
From the new york times "On the day of the shooting, and apparently moments before the chase, a neighbor in Satilla Shores called 911, telling the dispatcher that a black man in a white T-shirt was inside a house that was under construction and only partially closed in.
“And he’s running right now,” the man told the dispatcher. “There he goes right now!”
In his letter to the police, Mr. Barnhill, the prosecutor, noted that Mr. Arbery had a criminal past. Court records show that Mr. Arbery was convicted of shoplifting and of violating probation in 2018. Five years earlier, according to The Brunswick News, he was indicted on charges that he took a handgun to a high school basketball game.
Still, even if Mr. Arbery committed a property crime on the afternoon he was killed, activists and family members said it would not have warranted a chase by armed neighbors."
Assuming this and the other articles are accurate, he was very likely the burglar. It also appears one of the vigilantes knew him as a criminal and correctly identified him. As I said before, the vigilantes are still wrong.
Personally, I am sick of the racist and anti-racist circle jerks that occur now with every shooting regardless of the facts and who was wrong, right or if everyone was wrong. I wish all the racists and people obsessed with racism could go off to rural Montana, have their race war and wipe each other out so the rest of us, white, black, hispanic, etc. could live in peace.
Modern American life is about going to work, doing your job and navigating kind people of all races and beliefs who try and do the right thing and ***holes of all races and beliefs who often choose to do the wrong thing. Among whites, blacks, hispanics, christens, atheists, jews, muslims, republicans, democrats, etc., kind individuals who try and do the right thing and ***holes who do the wrong thing all exist. Everyone should deal with the kind individual and the ***hole appropriately and stop obsessing over the "group" bull****.
Modern American life is about going to work, doing your job and navigating kind people of all races and beliefs who try and do the right thing and ***holes of all races and beliefs who often choose to do the wrong thing. Among whites, blacks, hispanics, christens, atheists, jews, muslims, republicans, democrats, etc., kind individuals who try and do the right thing and ***holes who do the wrong thing all exist. Everyone should deal with the kind individual and the ***hole appropriately and stop obsessing over the "group" bull****.
Since when was 25 a kid? The video is bad enough and even if these guys thought he was the thief they were looking for, they had no right to play cops and robbers.
They should be charged and convicted for murder.
Now, was this a race crime? I'm hesitant to go that far because we don't know he was targeted just because he is Black. If we go down that road then anytime a non Black person kills a Black person then the assumption will always be its a "lynching" or hate crime.
Its as foolish as "believe all women."
If the 25 year old had not run at the guy with the gun and started fighting, he most likely would be alive. They didn’t just ride up and shoot him. There was a fight over the gun.
LH is a typical lib. If you can’t make an argument, just call people names like a 6 year old does.
LH is a typical lib. If you can’t make an argument, just call people names like a 6 year old does.
The story line for these all seem to follow same narrative.
- good kid murdered by racists for no reason
- outrage from politicians and famous people
- story changes to maybe wasn’t such a good kid
- polarization of the public
- jury trial
- no conviction
These guys might walk due to Georgia law and the man had just committed a crime and had priors. My guess is they thought they could just make him stop by pointing a gun at him. He quickly reacted to defend himself and the idiot putting himself in the situation pulled the trigger as he was under attack. In the end, nobody wins.
- good kid murdered by racists for no reason
- outrage from politicians and famous people
- story changes to maybe wasn’t such a good kid
- polarization of the public
- jury trial
- no conviction
These guys might walk due to Georgia law and the man had just committed a crime and had priors. My guess is they thought they could just make him stop by pointing a gun at him. He quickly reacted to defend himself and the idiot putting himself in the situation pulled the trigger as he was under attack. In the end, nobody wins.
Where did you obtain the info that they ran and never came forward?
And the same idiots crying racism again seem to only care about a block person when killed by a white person. Blacks killing whites, and blacks killing blacks are much more common, but seem to be no problem for the true racists like LH.
Why not? Many unaccompanied "minors" and "children" coming into the US and Europe are six feet tall and have beards.
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