Red River War

yea Im really worried about ou's offense. They lose kelly(best wr) and finley(second best te), and thats it. They return all 5 offensive lineman, a record setting qb, two muli year starters at wr, a game changer and future 1st round pick in murray, and another 1st round pick and physical mismatch in greshman at te.When the defensive dominated this spring, it only showed how good our defense will be this year, becuase I can promise you our offense will be better this year then last, which was very balanced and very good last year.They faced the best defense (this spring) that they will see all year in the big 12.remeber when texas returned all their olineman and won it all that year. Young had alot to do with it, but having a dominate veteran line was also a huge huge factor.Im not saying ou's going to win it all next year(I dont think we will) but having a great oline full of veterans usaly means your going to have a really good offense. ( if you can get good qb play)People put way to much stock into colts soph slump but most of his problems came from bad oline play, no time to throw and no running game. If he would have returned 5 starters last year, the texas offense would have been totaly different.
 
I hope somebody sent the B12 refs OU's bowl tapes. That's how holding penalties should be enforced. I know this sounds like sour grapes and such - but it's HUGE. And not just for the disruptive down and distance predicaments that 10 yards can provide - it's how they play while trying NOT to hold - have to move their feet more, miss more blocks while the defender sheds........ and on and on.

I'm sure those comments will get blasted, but watch - this could be huge against our "tiny"
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little D line.

Some late hit personal foul type calls when they're trying to act bad at the end of plays would be deserving as well.

Some Sooner above said we should go JUCO. We basically don't do that. Last year's difference in the game could be argued that OU went JUCO to find a beast OT - while UT played a good Chris Hall who should start shaving anytime soon.- just "another" OU advantage, no biggie....
 
I love the myth about texas doesnt go juco, yet how many kids attend austin community college only to be shuffled on the team when they get their grades up.unless your in the ivy league, does it really matter. And no ,our juco tackle wasnt the diffrence in the game, tunrovers were. You made them and we didnt , thats why we won, end of story.And for any texas fan to gripe about no calls in our big 12 championship game.......after the tech game in austin, I would keep my mouth shut about bad or no calls. I mean we beat mizzou by 21, for the second time that year(double digits both times) do you really think a judgement call here or there would have made a difference in the games??? Did you watch the game?Look Im not one of those "texas sucks" ou fans 24 7 365. We both have great programs and either of us are going anywhere soon. We both are tops in the big 12 and I dont see it changing anytime soon. Year in year out it will go thru ou/texas for the south. We both recruit great, have great facilites, and great staffs. I just think this year its will be ou's year in the cotton bowl, but I have to go on is on paper. It is june...injuries, players just not playing good, and others things could have huge impacts between now and then. heck texas could win walking away this year, but for now I think ou is the favorite.
 
If you don't think both of those guys are future 1st rounders as long as they stay healthy then you are clueless about football.

2 out of 3?! Isn't that what aggy says to feel relevant in this series in this new century? Longhorn Whoop!
 
Since, if that D is the best you will see all year, you don't have much of a schedule. Lost about 5 or 6 starters and they are already the best. Kind of like that No.1 secondary last year before the season started and TT and WV.
 
Colt had a downswing his soph season. Granted it was behind a less experienced, thin, and injured OL. Bradford enteres his soph season and all we hear about from OU posters is that he has most of his offense intact and that they will be better and more explosive this year than last.

After trying to explain that Bradford will be given more his soph season and could cause him trouble in reading defenses and decision making....after trying to explain that OU losing some key guys such as Kelly, Patrick, Finley on offense will have some impact has made little or no impact....after that I get that spring scrimmage highlight video showing like 6 INT's, I think 4 from Bradford and 2 going for pick 6's, countless QB pressures and sacks....and the only counter that OU posters is that they stand by their position that OU's offense will be better than last year's and that Bradford will not get touched the entire season and the only reason the offense looked back in the spring game was b/c they were going against the best defense they will see all season? I think you guys need a reality check. OU will go thru some growing pains this season.
 
Well if worse comes to worse we can always dumb our offense down & go back to the 80 touchdown type offense that will feature an more explosive RB & TE.
I think you're trying to convince yourself, not OU fans.
OU fans know we rotate during our scrimmage our 2nd string OL & 1st team QB & vice-versa.
Same goes w/ the defense.
You also seems to not be able to grasp that the OU D. also has practiced against this same O. the past few months & knows the plays, formations, routes & calls.
It's expected for the D. to dominate. I would be worried if it was the other way around.
And yeah, OU's scrimmage will be against the best team they face all year until we reach another BCS Bowl.
Lets revisit this thread about half way through the season & see if UT's O. is right there w/ OU's.
OU is ranked in everyone's top 5. Not many people think OU will go through some growing pains unless OU has reached the point where growing pains means favorite to win it's 3rd Big XII Championship in a row & play for a probable National Championship.
 
Yeah, UT- OL should suck pretty bad this year. Allen-Top OL when recruited, Ulatoski- Parade AA, Dockery-2 1/2 yr. starter, Hall -played all 3 positions last year, Huey- top 1 or 2 OG when recruited, Hix-top 2 or 3 OT when recruited, C- Burnette's dad a stud at SMU with Dickerson. Our problem is keeping them healthy. Lost Hills last year and Dockery the year before. They stay healthy and we will be ok and so will Colt. Blow U can brag their bunch up and that is fine. We will see how it plays out. WV exposed that they are really weak against quickness and why not when 3 of them weigh about 360. Quick kids can go around that kind of lard. Now straight ahead, you better get out of the way.
 
It is called vanilla Mooky and even Texas fans don't know what went on behind closed doors. The same probably can be said about ou, except we all read about the no huddle, which looks like it needs a lot of work.
 
I find it funny some texas fans think bradford will have an off year...........just because colt had a below average 2nd year.I mean seriously, he returns his whole oline, two of three wr's ,his best rb and best te. Almost every qb in college gets better every year, unless they lose alot around them or get injured....both of which happened to colt .Colts big step back had nothing to do with being a soph, and everything to do with having littlle pass protection, having a subpar running game, and also being dinged up with injuries.To me colt just hasnt been the same qb since the kstate game his freshman year. Sure bradford could have a down year but its gonna take a serve injury to bradford or a TON of injuries in the in the line, or wr core.Bradford is bigger , stronger , throwing harder and has the offense down even more, as you would expect after another year in the program. For every 1 qb like colt, who took a step back in the second year as a starter, another 10 improve by leaps and bounds. In fact most qbs make their biggest improvements from year 1 to 2 as a starter. I can give you many, many examples of qbs who not only improved , but improved alot their second year as a starter.Colt is in the minority, the majority improve, unless like I pointed out, fight inuries or lose alot around them.
 
The future will tell but I don't see any reason why Bradford won't be as good this year as he was last. Hopefully he will be markedly better but only time will tell.
 
Good post Texas Jack. Bradford had such a good Frosh season that you would have to find it very difficult to even get the same production his soph season...especially losing their top WR and deep threat Kelly who had 821 yards and 9 TD's...also didn't play in 2 of the 3 games OU lost last year.

OU did not have a stout defense last year. They had losses and are thin at LB. I just don't see how all of the oU posters think they are bringing back this great defense in 08 that just shutdown their explosive offense. I will conceede to you that OU's offense in spring game is not going to be the same offense we see in the fall, but then again that defense isn't going to look as good either and I think you overrating them a bit now. Who knows who is better on offense this year and I think there is ample reason to say give it a push...I just think OU posters need to open themselves up to the very real possibility of Bradford going thru some growing pains this year (especially losing Kelly), and that the OU offense thus may be a little less productive this year. I thought OU was extremely balanced last year with weapons at WR, TE, and RB. This year I see them more a run 1st team which could lead to teams loading up a bit on the run.
 
Kelly played every game last year, with the bowl game being the only one that he missed any time in, as he tried to go for a few snaps & then decided against continuing. IMO, the biggest thing needed from his replacement is that they need to show that they're a capable threat, because when it comes to actual production, he's not going to be as difficult to replace as some might think. MK was the go to guy early when Sam was still getting his feet wet, but that wasn't the case for the majority of the year, as Sam had pretty well been weaned off that security blanket after the first month. By the end of the 3rd game vs. Utah St. last year, MK already had 7 TD's. For the rest of the year he had the one vs. UT, & one more vs. Baylor, & the RRS was the only time he broke 100 yards in those last 10 games that he was healthy.
 
texas jack numbers are wrong. I know for a fact henne had better numbers his soph year then he did his freshman year. trying to say qbs dont improve form their first to second year as a starter is just laugable, just watch college football. Sure there are guys that just have off years (colt) but the big percentage improve alot from year 1 to 2. Just look at young and simms, both of those guys improved alot form year 1 to 2 and young exploded in year three.Also Bradford has the freshman record for td's not david neil or colt.
Hornpharmd ,Iggy led the team in catches and yardage and greshman was first in td catches. Im pretty sure kelly wont be near the loss that you make it out to be. It will hurt, but it isnt going to shut us down.And to say our two offenses are a push is maybe the biggest homer thing I have ever seen. How many games did charles win by himself for you last year?? you also lose your best TE, best wr sweed, and another starter at wr who lead you in yardage and catches.. heck you dont have a rb on campus that would be on the three deep at ou..seriously. You may have the worse collection on rbs at texas in a long long time. Your leading returning rusher............is your qb, seriously. All in all you lost a 1600 yard rusher, two of your top three recievers(jones and finley) and thats not even counting your most talented one in sweed(who you had when you played us ).You lose 5 of your top 8 recievers...thats alot of yardage. I know you return most of your oline...but is that a good thing, they couldnt block anyone towards the end of the year. Face it, you have many many more holes then ou, our offense cant even compare right now. We lose two starters and one, kelly, which will hurt and finley, who greshman is head and shoulders better then. Where do you see"growing pains" ??? Seriously , you act like we lost 6 or 7 starters??We have all 5 olineman coming back plus the first three backups, and at the skills we will have more depth then last year. Like I said the ONLY reason some of horn fans think bradford will struggle was because colt did. If bradford lost as many players around him that colt did last year(plus coming off an injury) then I would agree that bradford may not put as good as numbers... Just Like next year bradford will lose alot around him, and even though he should be a better qb, he may not put up as good as numbers. But it wont be because he became worse, didnt improve, or "going through growing pains". I have yet to seen a dominate qb with a bad oline , no running game and slow wrs.Bottom line sam will have even better players(as a whole) around him this year then he did last season. The only reason to think he would go "through growing pains" , would be because you just dont like ou. You cant put any logic behind it other then that. It would be like me saying orakpo is not going to be as good this year because he was so good last year, and in 03 jonathin jackson (ou dend) didnt play as good his sr year as he did his jr. Thats the same logic that you use when talking about bradford having a down year, nothing other then wishful thinking.
 
Where did I say it was just about throwing tds, I said numbers. He threw two fewer tds but 4 fewer picks, same in his jr. His sr year he was injured bad all season, or do you not watch college football?? And saying bradford has no where to go but down is silly, he broke the FRESHMAN record for tds.... not even close to overall record.Bradford went out and had one of the best freshman seasons ever in college football, record in tds and lead in pass eff............but not even close to one of the overall best.He can and will get better .Maybe he throws the same amount tds, less ints, less sacks, and leades the nation again in pass eff again.I guess that would be a down year for you because its all about tds..right? Also one of the biggest atributes in being a great qb is being a great leader.Something that bradford will only get better at.( and as a freshman wasnt that great at) Look at vince not only was he great talent but he turned into a great leader, something that as a freshman he wasnt. The players looked up to him. Its tuff for a jr or sr to look up to a freshman or first year starter.Thats something that cant be measured in numbers but can be in wins. Being agreat leader can help you win as many games as having great arm. Just look at paul thompson. Tell a college football coach that alot of qbs dont get better with every year they start and they will laugh in your face.Heck anyone that watches college football could tell you that. Same with the nfl.
 
The beautiful thing about Horn fans concerning Sam is..

#1. Stoops said Bradford will be as good if not better than Colt?!!! LOL!!! NO FREAKING WAY!!!! NO FREAKING WAY!!!LOL!! OMGLMAO!!!

#2. Sam Bradford seems like he sucks. Horrible HS stats. Guy can't seperate himself over Hazle or Nichols. He will be horrible.

#3. Hopefully Bradford will have as bad as down year as Colt did. He can't trump his NCAA record shattering pace w/ only 8 starters returning on O.
 
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