Protecting our 2nd Amendment Rights

[mb227]

Whatever you call it the Remington lawyers are "zealously" trying to dig up dirt to add doubt to whether their client had any accountability in the death of these adults/children or estimate some amount of worth of their life. That's inclusive of the grade reports on kindergartners and 1st graders. It doesn't matter what the justification is (eg did the student exist) it's all salt in the wounds.

I fully recognize the purpose of due diligence and that Remington's counsel would be negligent if they were insufficient in pursuing enough. The question is whether this is true due diligence or an attempt to intimidate or embarrass the families of the 5 students and 4 educators? You and I both know that's a not so uncommon strategy for attorneys.

Any observer should be able to see that the report cards of 1st graders should have no bearing on whether they were at fault for getting murdered by a cold blooded killer in school. Nor should any economic damages be estimated based on a 1st graders academic, attendance or disciplinary records. They were 1st graders for heaven's sake.

Oh, so your objection isn't that attorneys are doing their job, you just wish they were not doing their job because this case had kids involved.

The records come from the school, not the parents, so there is no intimidation that could occur. Schools produce records on a regular basis in response to subpoenas. Sometimes they will object, as do many entities, but the reality is that this is simply part of legal practice. But since the lefty media is telling you and bubba to be up in arms, you are complying like the dutiful libtile that you are...

Interesting slippery slope you endorse...I guarantee that if YOU found yourself as a defendant, you would not be instructing counsel representing your interest to hold back in any manner. So I guess that just makes you a hypocrite.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Whatever you call it the Remington lawyers are "zealously" trying to dig up dirt to add doubt to whether their client had any accountability in the death of these adults/children or estimate some amount of worth of their life. That's inclusive of the grade reports on kindergartners and 1st graders. It doesn't matter what the justification is (eg did the student exist) it's all salt in the wounds.

I fully recognize the purpose of due diligence and that Remington's counsel would be negligent if they were insufficient in pursuing enough. The question is whether this is true due diligence or an attempt to intimidate or embarrass the families of the 5 students and 4 educators? You and I both know that's a not so uncommon strategy for attorneys.

Any observer should be able to see that the report cards of 1st graders should have no bearing on whether they were at fault for getting murdered by a cold blooded killer in school. Nor should any economic damages be estimated based on a 1st graders academic, attendance or disciplinary records. They were 1st graders for heaven's sake.

Anything from Vice, which recently had an article asking why some many Marines were actually National Socialists (published on the same day that 11 of them were killed in Afghanistan) is garbage that has zero merit. On a more positive note, Vice this week had to lay off over two dozen of their staff - who hopefully will have to sell their bodies on the street to survive.

Most likely, Remington asked for a whole bunch of school related data, and things like attendance records and such were included in the packet, which was then leaked to Vice who fabricated this made up story.

In real 2nd Amendment news, the state of Texas now, through the fantastic work of grassroots gun owners being involved in the political process this year in the Legislature, now has Constitutional Carry, where law abiding citizens can now carry a handgun concealed, or open, without having to obtain a government issued permit.

Texas is the 21st state to now CC, and is by far the largest by population. A host of other pro-gun laws passed this year, such as 2nd Amendment Sanctuary State (no state or local support to help the Fed enforce any new Federal gun laws), anti-boycott laws - mostly directed towards anti-2A banks like Chase or Bank of America - who will now lose all business with the state of Texas if they continue to blacklist firearms companies and stores, and an interesting challenge to the Federal restrictions on sound suppressors by allowing a Made in Texas version, to avoid the interstate commerce clause aspect.

As I've written before, it was a fantastic effort by gun owners this year, and a stunning rebuke to Nanny Bloomber and his silly Moms Demand Action!!! group (part of the Brazzers network), who had foolish hopes of getting various gun grabbing laws passed this year. Instead, he gets to see the biggest advancement in Texas gun rights in 100 years. Good job Nanny!

 

[OUBubba]

Anything from Vice, which recently had an article asking why some many Marines were actually National Socialists (published on the same day that 11 of them were killed in Afghanistan) is garbage that has zero merit. On a more positive note, Vice this week had to lay off over two dozen of their staff - who hopefully will have to sell their bodies on the street to survive.

Most likely, Remington asked for a whole bunch of school related data, and things like attendance records and such were included in the packet, which was then leaked to Vice who fabricated this made up story.

In real 2nd Amendment news, the state of Texas now, through the fantastic work of grassroots gun owners being involved in the political process this year in the Legislature, now has Constitutional Carry, where law abiding citizens can now carry a handgun concealed, or open, without having to obtain a government issued permit.

Texas is the 21st state to now CC, and is by far the largest by population. A host of other pro-gun laws passed this year, such as 2nd Amendment Sanctuary State (no state or local support to help the Fed enforce any new Federal gun laws), anti-boycott laws - mostly directed towards anti-2A banks like Chase or Bank of America - who will now lose all business with the state of Texas if they continue to blacklist firearms companies and stores, and an interesting challenge to the Federal restrictions on sound suppressors by allowing a Made in Texas version, to avoid the interstate commerce clause aspect.

As I've written before, it was a fantastic effort by gun owners this year, and a stunning rebuke to Nanny Bloomber and his silly Moms Demand Action!!! group (part of the Brazzers network), who had foolish hopes of getting various gun grabbing laws passed this year. Instead, he gets to see the biggest advancement in Texas gun rights in 100 years. Good job Nanny!

Funny. You burn all those calories on vice. It was the link I strolled across on the Twitter. Is this better? More your speed. https://nypost.com/2021/09/03/remington-subpoenas-report-cards-of-kids-killed-in-sandy-hook/

Or this: http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=21327555

nice deflection though.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Still rubbish. Lawyers try to get as much info as possible for background on a case.

The murdered killed his mom, stole her gun, and then shot up the school. Hard to see how that's the gun manufactures fault - unless you just want to put gun makers out of business, which is the goal.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Info guide as to Constitutional Carry in Texas, which went into effect 1 Sep.

Constitutional Carry is officially law in Texas | GOA Texas

 

[Horn6721]

DD
How problematic is the last paragraph?

 

[mb227]

DD
How problematic is the last paragraph?

Short answer is that it isn't. They had that ability even under concealed carry and LTC. It is why SOME CHL/LTC folks were asked to step out of the car on a routine traffic stop since it placed distance between them and the firearm.

 

[Horn6721]

mb
Thanks I knew you'd know
So when someone steps out of the car then they are too far away from it and the firearm to be arrested?

 

[mb227]

mb
Thanks I knew you'd know
So when someone steps out of the car then they are too far away from it and the firearm to be arrested?

Nothing in what you quoted means an arrest would occur. It simply says that they may be disarmed. It is NOT a permanent disarming. It IS a harm reduction.

If someone acts a fool during a traffic stop, they deserve whatever follows in the way of potential arrest or consequence. But absent a prohibition on possession, they would not be tagged for UCW.

 

[Horn6721]

Ah
So getting them out of a vehicle is the same, at that point,of disarming them

But later the peace officer could arrest the person saying in their opinion it is necessary for the protection etc etc?

 

[mb227]

Ah
So getting them out of a vehicle is the same, at that point,of disarming them

But later the peace officer could arrest the person saying in their opinion it is necessary for the protection etc etc?

Disarming simply means the gun carrier was briefly separated from the firearm. It is NOT an arrest.

Officers know that ANY traffic stop or otherwise seemingly innocuous contact can twist off the wrong way. It the same reason some are detained with the use of hand restraints during the encounter even though no arrest has occurred...cuffs do NOT mean arrested in every instance.

It is effectively the same as when there is a dispatch related to some manner of altercation...they separate the parties to figure out what went on or is going on.

 

[Horn6721]

mb
See. I thought when I read that paragraph in the law it Did mean the person was being arrested .
Thanks for clearing that up
If I ever get arrested can I call you?

 

[Seattle Husker]

Oh, so your objection isn't that attorneys are doing their job, you just wish they were not doing their job because this case had kids involved.

The records come from the school, not the parents, so there is no intimidation that could occur. Schools produce records on a regular basis in response to subpoenas. Sometimes they will object, as do many entities, but the reality is that this is simply part of legal practice. But since the lefty media is telling you and bubba to be up in arms, you are complying like the dutiful libtile that you are...

Interesting slippery slope you endorse...I guarantee that if YOU found yourself as a defendant, you would not be instructing counsel representing your interest to hold back in any manner. So I guess that just makes you a hypocrite.

If I were paid a nickel for every time @mb227 spoke for me she wouldn't have any money to gamble!

Knock on wood but to date it's been pretty damn easy to avoid being a defendant, especially as a bankrupt gun manufacturer. If I do, you won't be my first call as ethics due matter in all manner of life to me.

 

[bystander]

Is it possible they want to determine the earning potential of all the deceased in order to prepare for the settlement/award?

I agree that going after report cards of elementary school children is ludicrous on the surface. But lawyers are lawyers and they do what they do. That's why we hate them all (except Mr. Deez).

 

[mb227]

. That's why we hate them all (except Mr. Deez).

Everybody hates attorneys...UNTIL THEY NEED ONE. Then they want the one that will fight the hardest and potentially also the dirtiest for their client...

 

[Seattle Husker]

Is it possible they want to determine the earning potential of all the deceased in order to prepare for the settlement/award?

I've acknowledged that might be a reason. Still, it's a little absurd that a child's 1st grade report card or attendance record would be used to determine their lifetime earning potential.

 

[bystander]

I've acknowledged that might be a reason. Still, it's a little absurd that a child's 1st grade report card or attendance record would be used to determine their lifetime earning potential.

Not to be flippant but I would have rested on my first grade scores...

 

[Seattle Husker]

Not to be flippant but I would have rested on my first grade scores...

Personally, my parents were in the midst of a messy divorce so my 1st grade report card was replete with NI (Needs Improvement) nearly across the board. As a father of 3, what a child looks like at age 6 can be VASTLY different than what they show at age 20 or later.

 

[mb227]

Personally, my parents were in the midst of a messy divorce so my 1st grade report card was replete with NI (Needs Improvement) nearly across the board. As a father of 3, what a child looks like at age 6 can be VASTLY different than what they show at age 20 or later.

And I would venture that there are actuarial tables which show correlations.

You and the rest of the idiots up in arms about standard practice don't know WHY the request was made. Nevertheless, people like you assigned some nefarious motive. I guess it is time to just scrap the legal system and just automatically allow a plaintiff to receive whatever ill-conceived number they demand...rights of a defendant be damned, especially when the deep-pocket defendant was not responsible for felonious actions of a third party.

 

[bystander]

Personally, my parents were in the midst of a messy divorce so my 1st grade report card was replete with NI (Needs Improvement) nearly across the board. As a father of 3, what a child looks like at age 6 can be VASTLY different than what they show at age 20 or later.

No doubt. I was in a wonderful little bubble at the time and everyone had high hopes for me.

 

[OUBubba]

And I would venture that there are actuarial tables which show correlations.

You and the rest of the idiots up in arms about standard practice don't know WHY the request was made. Nevertheless, people like you assigned some nefarious motive. I guess it is time to just scrap the legal system and just automatically allow a plaintiff to receive whatever ill-conceived number they demand...rights of a defendant be damned, especially when the deep-pocket defendant was not responsible for felonious actions of a third party.

Do we get to call people idiots now?

 

[bystander]

For the record, I am 100% against holding gun manufacturers and retail outlets liable for the actions of a 3rd party.

 

[horninchicago]

Do we get to call people idiots now?

It was attacking the ideals of the poster. The ideals are idiotic. Anyone who thinks otherwise has idiotic ideals.

 

[OUBubba]

It was attacking the ideals of the poster. The ideals are idiotic. Anyone who thinks otherwise has idiotic ideals.

You and the rest of the idiots who believe this might be wrong.

For the record, I plagiarized part of that sentence.

 

[horninchicago]

You and the rest of the idiots who believe this might be wrong.

For the record, I plagiarized part of that sentence.

That's one opinion for sure.

 

[mb227]

Do we get to call people idiots now?

When they are whining and sniveling about acceptable legal practice, yes. An entire demographic which relies upon propaganda networks like CNN and MSDNC to tell them what to be offended by is, collectively, a group of idiots.

 

[Seattle Husker]

When they are whining and sniveling about acceptable legal practice, yes. An entire demographic which relies upon propaganda networks like CNN and MSDNC to tell them what to be offended by is, collectively, a group of idiots.

You missed your calling. The broad brushes with which you paint groups of people is reminiscent of Rembrandt.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

In real 2nd Amendment news, the turd David Chipman, Slow Joe's pick to head AFT, as he slurred it out (it's actually the ATF, but what do you expect from the senile old man who can't remember the name of his Secretary of Defense), had his nomination get pulled, as he was too much of a piece of trash even for the Democrats.

Great win by the gun rights groups to sink this turd, who worked as a lobbyist for a gun grabbing group, and wanted to make semi-auto firearms illegal to own.

It's been a good year for gun rights - awesome results in the Texas legislative session, including Constitutional Carry. The Attorney General is starting to clamp down on gun company boycotts by financial firms, who will have to decide if they wish to lose the State of Texas' business as well, and Depend's pick for the ATF gets flushed down the toilet.

Plus the Supreme Court will hear this fall the case of the New York concealed firearm licensing scheme, which is "May Issue" if they like you, compared to "Shall Issue" like most states if you meet all legal requirements. I think the SC tosses most of that out the window and forces them to go to a Shall Issue system, as the courts did with Illinois and DC some years ago.

Will be interesting if the Coward John Roberts tries to join the opinion to water it down to the point that it doesn't mean anything, or if he stompy feets it to stay in the good graces of the Bezos Post - the newspaper than can make him wet himself in shame merely from the use of the word "legitimacy".

 

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