Post-Trump GOP
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Seattle Husker
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According to AC John Brennan is being held there right now.
And I googled it, and apparently it's a real conspiracy theory. AC didn't make it up. In fact, Brennan apparently has been sentenced to be hanged. Lol. No ****. James Clapper better keep his nose clean, or he might get the guillotine.
I think there was one at one point who was believed to be Saudi. At the present time, I don't think there are any other than John Brennan.
To my knowledge, he's the only one.
There's pretty much no chance of that ever happening.
Seattle Husker
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LOL! I didn't realize that the Counties weren't the Eastern most.
What would it take for Eastern Oregon to secede to Idaho?
Eastern Oregon counties represent 70% of the state's land but only 21% of it's residents. Lot's of these residents are big fans of Ammon Bundy who announced he's running for Governor in Idaho.
Idaho is beautiful country (Northern Idaho) but they have a significant strain of "crazy" running through their politics.
Only Idaho could carry a Republican Primary Governor debate like this. Bar none, it's the most entertaining debate ever in the history of election debates.
Here are some current politicians which I'm sure would receive support from some on here.
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Why not? Idaho would take them and Portland don’t want them. Plan a little capitol riot every now and then.
Monahorns
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Self-governance means getting to vote on which state your county exists in. If not then you don't govern yourself. There isn't any kratos in the demos.
I'm not saying it should be a clean, easy thing to switch states. But it should be possible. Just like Brexit or Scottish independence or American secession from the British Empire or Ukraine leaving the USSR. Let people decide.
I'm not saying it should be a clean, easy thing to switch states. But it should be possible. Just like Brexit or Scottish independence or American secession from the British Empire or Ukraine leaving the USSR. Let people decide.
Better yet, let them secede and form a separate state of "Eastern Oregon." That would add two more Senate seats which would lean pretty strongly Republican, and they would be entitled to at least one seat in the House. Makes as much sense as giving D.C. statehood.
Monahorns
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Great idea. Just keep splitting states up. Will lead to better representation and more federalism.
Because they aren't the only ones who get a choice in the matter. Congress gets to decide as well, and though I don't think they'd care in this particular situation, they wouldn't want to set the precedent that they'll sign off on something like this. They'd lose control of things pretty fast. How do you say yes to this but no to other scenarios where it would actually change the political situation and threaten some careers?
Personally, I wouldn't care that much, but it would polarize Oregon even worse. It would basically turn into Washington, DC.
I'm for letting the Scots decide, because we have right to be stupid. However, Scottish "nationalism" is a ******** ideology and agenda. They don't actually want to govern themselves. They want to leave the UK to immediately join the EU and try to adopt the €. (The EU wouldn't let them do it right away, which complicates things a lot since they'd be immediately kicked off the £.) That's an insult to the concept of nationalism.
I'm not saying they should get to decide. I'm just saying that they would.
OUBubba
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Then Austin creates its own state. Then Texas splits into 4 states to maximize senate representation. There is no end.
Monahorns
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As long as they are shifting states within the federation I could see them being less involved. Seceding from the federation would take lots of coordination because of all the federal programs like Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security. That would be a hard knot to untangle.
We in the US need to find a relief valve of some kind to wind down the political conflict we are in.
It's an absolutely horrible idea. It's a blatant move by the Democrats to add two safe blue Senate seats. The District is the seat of the U.S. Government; it was created from land ceded by Maryland and Virginia. If the residents of the District want the benefits of belonging to a state (whatever those "benefits" might be), all that is required is to give the land back to Maryland (from whence it came). The various federal buildings could be retained as federal property, where federal laws govern rather than state laws. That's the way it's done elsewhere in the country (for example, when I shop on base at NAS Fort Worth, I pay no state sales tax).
The liberals will stoop to any tactic to establish their dream of the United Socialist States of America.
For the purposes of state law, there's no reason why they couldn't do it on their own so long as they followed their own state laws. If Idaho wanted to seat members in its legislature elected from what's now eastern Oregon, there's no reason why they couldn't, and the reverse could be done in the Oregon legislature.
Where it would get dicey is federal apportionment. Idaho has 2 seats. Oregon has 6 (gained one after the 2020 reapportionment). If Congress doesn't recognize the change in borders, that would remain the same. The Oregon legislature would draw the districts that cover eastern Oregon.
Seattle Husker
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Idaho seats legislators based on Oregon certified elections/processes? Essentially those same legislators would be seated in both Oregon and Idaho? Certainly both states must have rules prohibiting that.
In the end, what would be the value to Idaho of an Oregon state legislator sitting in their body? They get no tax revenue, no control over laws. Recognizing we are talking an impossible hypothetical, I don't see any benefits to Idaho pretending that these Counties are part of their state.
Incidentally, WA has a hint of this same secession movement. Like OR, the Cascades dividing the state create a geographically driven cultural and economic divide. 70% of the population and >GDP sit in the Western parts of the States.
Similar splits exist in nearly every state. @OUBubba called it when he joked about Austin seceding from TX. Simply put, secession from a State is not a viable relief valve for resolving political differences. What changed is that the extremes are less willing to compromise. Instead, compromise is considered weak because the opponent is "evil". Any shift in their direction is a loss, a slippery slope towards the end. We all need to stop embracing the extremists.
This must be the guiding principle of the Squad.
Seattle Husker
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It applies to any extremes.
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