Post-Trump GOP

[iatrogenic]

The DOJ has at least a copy of the laptop and has opened an investigation, right? That much is public. Like the Manafort investigation, I'll let this one play out before leaping to a conclusion though the timing and narrator of the story (Guiliani) was clearly suspect.

Don't let @Garmel off the hook by deflecting to another topic from what is clearly voter suppression.

I agree with SH, Bubba. Hey, just for fun, could you guys post the number of voters that were not allowed to vote so we know how big this problem really is?

 

[Garmel]

Ok. I did a history lesson for myself. Delaware, not Jersey. Fraud Guarantee was not involved. Good summary here. Seems like the most obvious thing is that his icloud was hacked and the computer was used as the way to spread hacked material as "valid". Suspect provenance of Hunter Biden data cache prompts skepticism and social media bans – TechCrunch

There's zero evidence as of now that this laptop was fake. If it is fake that still doesn't excuse that the media deliberately censored people from spreading the story. That's much bigger than people not getting water in line waiting to vote.

 

[OUBubba]

There's zero evidence as of now that this laptop was fake. If it is fake that still doesn't excuse that the media deliberately censored people from spreading the story. That's much bigger than people not getting water in line waiting to vote.

What you meant to say was that there is zero evidence that it's real.

 

[Garmel]

What you meant to say was that there is zero evidence that it's real.

You don't know that so stop the ********. Have we learned anything from the letter that I wrote to the SoS that what you libs get from the media isn't always the truth?

 

[iatrogenic]

Say again? How many that wanted to vote legally were denied that opportunity?

 

[OUBubba]

You don't know that so stop the ********. Have we learned anything from the letter that I wrote to the SoS that what you libs get from the media isn't always the truth?

Dear Sirs,

I hope this letter finds you healthy, wealthy, and wise. I write today to remind you that you don't know **** either about the origins of that data. The laptop in question is in question because of the VERY dubious nature of its "discovery".

Thanks for the coorespondence. As always, if I can be of any service, please don't hesitate to reach out to me via smoke signals or contacting me at BR-549.

Your's Truly

OUBubba

PS: Boomer!

PPS: Of course that's what they were going to say AFTER the law passed and the feces had come into contact with the rotating oscillator. The SOS had already indicated that campaigns providing food and water had previously been determined an illegal act so this law was for more than that.

 

[bystander]

Austin has to grin, cope, influence and vote their way into having their views represented in legislation. That's a simplistic view of Democracy.

The same for Eastern Oregon. Taking your ball and going to another state is not an option, especially since their are at least 2 of the 9 counties that have voted to explore moving to Idaho who said "nope".

There is too much "nope" in politics these days.

I'm not in favor of taking your ball and joining another state. It would be anarchy.

The underlying problem in this day and age, assuming I can adequately articulate it, is an unbelievable amount of selfishness laced with the idea that dissent is holy ground just for the mere sake of it.

 

[Garmel]

Dear Sirs,

I hope this letter finds you healthy, wealthy, and wise. I write today to remind you that you don't know **** either about the origins of that data. The laptop in question is in question because of the VERY dubious nature of its "discovery".

Thanks for the coorespondence. As always, if I can be of any service, please don't hesitate to reach out to me via smoke signals or contacting me at BR-549.

Your's Truly

OUBubba

PS: Boomer!

PPS: Of course that's what they were going to say AFTER the law passed and the feces had come into contact with the rotating oscillator. The SOS had already indicated that campaigns providing food and water had previously been determined an illegal act so this law was for more than that.

If you read what SoS said on YOUR link he made it pretty clear that he was talking about election officials, not individuals. The problem with you, Okie is that I can't give enough facts to overcome your MSM brainwashing. Not trying to be cruel, just realistic.

 

[Horn6721]

Here is one of the dangerous Captitol protesters
"A Florida man who wore a navy blue “Trump 2020” shirt while he carried a Donald Trump flag inside the U.S. Capitol Complex on Jan. 6 in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday pleaded guilty to the single most serious federal crime he faced in a five-count indictment.

[Hodgkins] entered the U.S. Capitol building at approximately 2:50 p.m. on Jan. 6. Around 3 p.m., Hodgkins entered the Senate chamber, walked among the desks, and then removed eye goggles. He took a “selfie-style” photograph with his cell phone and walked down the Senate well where, a few feet away, several individuals were shouting, praying and cheering using a bullhorn. Hodgkins walked toward the individuals and remained standing with them while they continued commanding the attention of others. At approximately 3:15 p.m., Hodgkins exited the Senate chamber and the U.S. Capitol Building.
NPR noted that it’s more likely the defendant will serve 15 to 21 months behind bars."

Dude walked around inside Capititol for 25 mins after being let in by police. Took a selfie and for that he gets 15-21 months Prison?

 

[Seattle Husker]

Here is one of the dangerous Captitol protesters
"A Florida man who wore a navy blue “Trump 2020” shirt while he carried a Donald Trump flag inside the U.S. Capitol Complex on Jan. 6 in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday pleaded guilty to the single most serious federal crime he faced in a five-count indictment.

[Hodgkins] entered the U.S. Capitol building at approximately 2:50 p.m. on Jan. 6. Around 3 p.m., Hodgkins entered the Senate chamber, walked among the desks, and then removed eye goggles. He took a “selfie-style” photograph with his cell phone and walked down the Senate well where, a few feet away, several individuals were shouting, praying and cheering using a bullhorn. Hodgkins walked toward the individuals and remained standing with them while they continued commanding the attention of others. At approximately 3:15 p.m., Hodgkins exited the Senate chamber and the U.S. Capitol Building.
NPR noted that it’s more likely the defendant will serve 15 to 21 months behind bars."

Dude walked around inside Capititol for 25 mins after being let in by police. Took a selfie and for that he gets 15-21 months Prison?

Dude was in the Senate chamber directly stopping the electoral vote count which is constitutionally mandated pursuant to the Electoral Count Act of 1887. This guy and every one inside the Capitol Building were trying to muck up a constitutional process. Attempts to diminish this guys actions are not only partisan but unpatriotic.

 

[OUBubba]

If you read what SoS said on YOUR link he made it pretty clear that he was talking about election officials, not individuals. The problem with you, Okie is that I can't give enough facts to overcome your MSM brainwashing. Not trying to be cruel, just realistic.

Your mercy is appreciated, indubitably. Alas, your "facts" leave me hungry for valid information.

The SOS said that campaigns or their proxies providing "inducement" was illegal. And, water/food/etc. is labeled as an inducement prior to this legislation. I would concur. This legislation was meant to go beyond that. The crawdadding that you're finding is because the legislation was outed as less than kosher.

 

[OUBubba]

Dude was in the Senate chamber directly stopping the electoral vote count which is constitutionally mandated pursuant to the Electoral Count Act of 1887. This guy and every one inside the Capitol Building were trying to muck up a constitutional process. Attempts to diminish this guys actions are not only partisan but unpatriotic.

It must have been humid that day. I guess they had all of the windows "open".

 

[OUBubba]

If you read what SoS said on YOUR link he made it pretty clear that he was talking about election officials, not individuals. The problem with you, Okie is that I can't give enough facts to overcome your MSM brainwashing. Not trying to be cruel, just realistic.

A. I would like to point out that this post is NOT intended to be a request for a duel.
B. I found these letters entertaining.
C. If they'd had a message board in 1804 Hamilton would have just been a **** poster and lived a long yet somewhat anguished life.

Hamilton to Burr June 20, 1804 - Hamilton's Final Act: Enemies & Allies

 

[Garmel]

The legislation was meant to go beyond that.

If it did the SoS office would have told me something differently.

 

[OUBubba]

 

[Garmel]

I got a letter from SoS that backs up my position but yet I'm still somehow wrong.

 

[Garmel]

Bubba watches the MSM. He knows the REAL facts.

 

[Mr. Deez]

This guy and every one inside the Capitol Building were trying to muck up a constitutional process.

That entire angle is completely lost on him and some others. It's just a trivial and minor act of trespassing - not much worse than your kid going into the neighbor's backyard to retrieve a ball he accidentally threw over the fence.

 

[Garmel]

Here is one of the dangerous Captitol protesters
"A Florida man who wore a navy blue “Trump 2020” shirt while he carried a Donald Trump flag inside the U.S. Capitol Complex on Jan. 6 in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday pleaded guilty to the single most serious federal crime he faced in a five-count indictment.

[Hodgkins] entered the U.S. Capitol building at approximately 2:50 p.m. on Jan. 6. Around 3 p.m., Hodgkins entered the Senate chamber, walked among the desks, and then removed eye goggles. He took a “selfie-style” photograph with his cell phone and walked down the Senate well where, a few feet away, several individuals were shouting, praying and cheering using a bullhorn. Hodgkins walked toward the individuals and remained standing with them while they continued commanding the attention of others. At approximately 3:15 p.m., Hodgkins exited the Senate chamber and the U.S. Capitol Building.
NPR noted that it’s more likely the defendant will serve 15 to 21 months behind bars."

Dude walked around inside Capititol for 25 mins after being let in by police. Took a selfie and for that he gets 15-21 months Prison?

While I believe they should be punished that's excessive as hell.

 

[iatrogenic]

That entire angle is completely lost on him and some others. It's just a trivial and minor act of trespassing - not much worse than your kid going into the neighbor's backyard to retrieve a ball he accidentally threw over the fence.

They would have been better off burning and vandalizing stores and police stations, and clogging roads and highways. You know, peaceful protests and street fairs.

 

[Garmel]

They would have been better off burning and vandalizing stores and police stations, and clogging roads and highways. You know, peaceful protests and street fairs.

But....but....but our Constitution was in peril or something.

 

[Mr. Deez]

They would have been better off burning and vandalizing stores and police stations, and clogging roads and highways. You know, peaceful protests and street fairs.

I'll condemn that stuff all day long. It's terrible. Ultimately, I don't think either side has this right. I think liberals should take rioting in the name of supposed "racial justice" more seriously than they do, and I think conservatives should take an effort to disrupt the counting of electoral votes more seriously than they do.

Basically, the only guy who's really right about this stuff is me. Lol.

 

[Garmel]

I'll condemn that stuff all day long. It's terrible. Ultimately, I don't think either side has this right. I think liberals should take rioting in the name of supposed "racial justice" more seriously than they do, and I think conservatives should take an effort to disrupt the counting of electoral votes more seriously than they do.

Basically, the only guy who's really right about this stuff is me. Lol.

I have a hard time taking it seriously when just a few hours later after the idiots are rounded up in the capitol everything returns back to normal. The people who were outside fighting cops to me were much worse. However, some guy who went through the capitol, took a selfie and getting over a year in prison to me is ridiculous.

 

[OUBubba]

I have a hard time taking it seriously when just a few hours later after the idiots are rounded up in the capitol everything returns back to normal. The people who were outside fighting cops to me were much worse. However, some guy who went through the capitol, took a selfie and getting over a year in prison to me is ridiculous.

Yes, but it seems to me the ones that I've seen getting the charges are also on video in the "assault" portion of the day. I would wager that they have video and cell phone data indicating who waltzed through and who was "on the front lines". Some journalist recorded all of the live feeds that were going on during the day on some app. They are very incriminating. It's like live-streaming a crime with usernames and IP addresses. The group of oath keepers that were seen looking ominous were wrapped up by that.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I have a hard time taking it seriously when just a few hours later after the idiots are rounded up in the capitol everything returns back to normal. The people who were outside fighting cops to me were much worse. However, some guy who went through the capitol, took a selfie and getting over a year in prison to me is ridiculous.

To me, the fact that things returned to normal is more of an indication of how durable the system is rather than a point in favor of the rioters. However, I take this pretty seriously for two big reasons, and frankly, it has nothing to do with a coup actually being successful. That was never in question.

First, disrupting the electoral process through extra-legislative or extra-judicial means is destabilizing and an attack on a system that has worked well for over 200 years. That sort of thing isn't supposed to happen in a free and civilized nation.

Second, what if "hold my beer" becomes "hold my whiskey?" In other words, what if the next group of yahoos (from the left or the right) is more committed to their cause? Again, I don't think they'd actually succeed, but I can condemn this incident and still recognize that it could have much, much worse. The next attempt could have involved firearms, explosives, etc., and we'd see something truly catastrophic. Fortunately that didn't happen on 1/6, but I don't like that we even took a step in that direction.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Second, what if "hold my beer" becomes "hold my whiskey?" In other words, what if the next group of yahoos (from the left or the right) is more committed to their cause? Again, I don't think they'd actually succeed, but I can condemn this incident and still recognize that it could have much, much worse. The next attempt could have involved firearms, explosives, etc., and we'd see something truly catastrophic. Fortunately that didn't happen on 1/6, but I don't like that we even took a step in that direction.

It appears that some teams (Oath Keepers) and random dudes may not have had anything more than tazers on their bodies at the Capitol Building but had stashes of weapons nearby with resources ready to bring them into a "fight". If the government's court accusations prove true, that's a very dangerous element. It essentially shows that the "hold my whiskey" crowd was waiting for a trigger which makes all the attempts to downplay 1/6 even more concerning.

 

[iatrogenic]

Was the trigger "waiting for something bad to happen"? Or, maybe when the guy in the Bison hat called the Senate to order?

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

I read elsewhere the traffic to that his blog was pretty lean based on the various traffic monitoring reporting services. The comparison was made to some pet sites having more traffic.

Still, I'm certain this isn't the end of DJT trying to get his voice out there but rather a setback until they have an alternative. Expect that other avenue to be announced soon.

I hear he's trying out for Urban Meyer's NFL squad....

 

[OUBubba]

I hear he's trying out for Urban Meyer's NFL squad....

With his BMI I don't think he'd be a good run stopper.

 

[Seattle Husker]

With his BMI I don't think he'd be a good run stopper.

A Seahawks teammate of Cortez Kennedy once pointed to him and asked me if I knew the key to his success as NFL Defensive POY. Looking quizzically he pointed to his ***. "He's got the biggest *** in the NFL. Nobody can move that ***." Given the size of Trump's *** he might be competitive if he has any semblance of strength.