Post-Trump GOP

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

If someone has said in 1976 that large numbers of Americans and the entire political media would one day consider people with penises to be women, everyone would have thought that person was crazy. In fact, that would have been true in 1996 and even 2006. It has only taken about five years for us to forget what a man is and what a woman is.

I don't think most people have forgotten. I think certain elements of the media cherry pick and manipulate "polls" to make it appear that large groups support the LBGTQ agenda. I still firmly believe that if we had a stand alone proposition ability at the federal level that gay marriage would be voted down, and certainly all of this transgender crap.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I don't think most people have forgotten. I think certain elements of the media cherry pick and manipulate "polls" to make it appear that large groups support the LBGTQ agenda. I still firmly believe that if we had a stand alone proposition ability at the federal level that gay marriage would be voted down, and certainly all of this transgender crap.

The transgender crap, probably so. Gay marriage? Almost surely not.

 

[Clean]

It has only taken about five years for us to forget what a man is and what a woman is.

When the the Left and the MSM come together on something and put their full weight behind an issue, like gay marriage or rights for trans sexuals, it always seems to become law. They shame all the reasonable people people into supporting it by heckling them with whatever label is most shameful; transphobic, homophobic, racist, etc. Even states can't stand up to them as we've seen with the cancel culture.

It's pretty remarkable that UT is standing up to them on The Eyes of Texas - so far.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Gaetz is gonna go down swinging. In reality, if he did in fact pay for a 17yr old girl to travel across state lines for sexual purposes I doubt he gets anything more than probation. The bigger problem is where this girl was sourced from. If she is connected in any way to Gaetz' friend that was indicted for using his role as County Tax collector to identify and source them for sex trafficking then the penalty may be more harsh.

Since Gaetz is a darling of the QAnon crowd I got a chuckle from this meme.

According to the Daily Mail (a British tabloid), the Daily Beast (a far-left blog) has got it's hand on former Florida tax collector Greenberg's letters and saved screenshots from Signal that confirm two things:

1. Gaetz and Greenberg had sex with the 17yr old girl and paid he for it. They later found out she was not 17 then only re-engaged the sex for $$ scheme when she was 18.
2. Roger Stone was asked for help in getting a pardon. $250k in BitCoin was discussed.

 

[bystander]

Almost all of those “missing kids” turn up with their dad, their grandma, etc.

Funny you say that, or maybe not, but my ex called the cops because my daughter was with me. She and I have a horrible relationship (same between her and our kids) and I gained full custody of my daughter this past December. For a variety of reasons, she decided to play dumb and pretend our daughter wasn't where she should have been (she challenged the court order constantly with me because she is such a Christian zealot that she refused to accept the divorce) and called the cops. They called me up and asked if my daughter was with me. I said, "Yes, would you like to speak with her?" He said, "Nope. I just wanted to be sure she was with her father which she is. Have a nice day."

I wonder if that phone call is in the statistics somewhere.

 

[Horn6721]

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At least you got the children away from a toxic environment.

 

[Mr. Deez]

According to the Daily Mail (a British tabloid), the Daily Beast (a far-left blog) has got it's hand on former Florida tax collector Greenberg's letters and saved screenshots from Signal that confirm two things:

1. Gaetz and Greenberg had sex with the 17yr old girl and paid he for it. They later found out she was not 17 then only re-engaged the sex for $$ scheme when she was 18.
2. Roger Stone was asked for help in getting a pardon. $250k in BitCoin was discussed.

It looks like the statement was given after Gaetz and Greenberg ended their "bromance." They need the girl herself to accuse Gaetz on the record.

Gotta love Gaetz's statements. He denies everything criminal, of course. However, he doesn't deny things that paint a pretty slimy picture. He doesn't deny that he paid "travel costs" for a bunch of young women he called his "girlfriends." He also put the "as an adult" qualifier on his denial that he nailed 17-year-old. And of course, he showed naked pictures of the women he banged to other House members. In a sane political climate, that would end your career. But Gaetz will play the "political witch hunt" card (even though the investigation started under Trump's DoJ), and it'll probably work to survive a primary challenge since Gaetz likes to "own the libs."

 

[OUBubba]

The obvious peddling of pardons was sad yet predictable. Luckily for Trump his people pushed back.

 

[Mr. Deez]

The obvious peddling of pardons was sad yet predictable. Luckily for Trump his people pushed back.

I do wonder why that isn't being made into much of a controversy. Makes me wonder if pardon sales (under-the-table, of course) are pretty common and if both parties sorta accept them as perks of the job.

 

[OUBubba]

I do wonder why that isn't being made into much of a controversy. Makes me wonder if pardon sales (under-the-table, of course) are pretty common and if both parties sorta accept them as perks of the job.

If you told me there was a correlation between pardons and presidential library donations I would not be gobsmacked.

 

[humahuma]

RINO Mitt gets booed at a Utah GOP convention.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Is there a pool for when Liz Cheney gets excised from House GOP leadership? I'd like to get 5/7.

 

[OUBubba]

Is there a pool for when Liz Cheney gets excised from House GOP leadership? I'd like to get 5/7.

And Matt Gaetz is still doing fine in the post Trump GOP. He will tell the base that he’s a victim of political prosecution. They will believe him. See Gym Jordan for reference.

 

[Mr. Deez]

And Matt Gaetz is still doing fine in the post Trump GOP. He will tell the base that he’s a victim of political prosecution. They will believe him. See Gym Jordan for reference.

It astounds me how effective claiming an investigation to be a "political witchhunt" is as a political strategy. Of course, in the case of Gaetz, it's pretty laughable, because the inquiry started under Trump's DoJ. Do Trump and William Barr have a political axe to grind against Matt Gaetz? Quite the opposite, if anything. Having said that, I do recognize that prosecutions of politicians are frequently done for political reasons. It definitely happens, but none of that makes the accused any less guilty. The response from the public should be, "OK, so what?"

At least for now, I'm reserving judgment on "Gym" Jordan. (I laughed at that.) I'll admit I haven't followed the story very closely, but has there been anything conclusive that he actually knew what was going on? What I've heard so far is claims that "it was impossible for him not to know." That's pretty weak. Did anyone put anything in writing and give it to him? On something that serious, you'd think someone would - a letter, a fax, an e-mail, etc. I'm not doubting that this doctor molested these wrestlers. However, let's remember that this is the subject of a civil lawsuit. Ordinarily if an employee rapes somebody, you don't get to sue the employer (the deep pockets) unless you can somehow tie it to the employer. Well, proving that the coach knew about it and did nothing about it is one way to get there, so there's a reason to lie. Obviously Jordan has a reason to lie too, but if it's a he-said-she-said and nothing more, I tend to presume innocence.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Is there a pool for when Liz Cheney gets excised from House GOP leadership? I'd like to get 5/7.

McCarthy is an idiot. I get that he can't jump totally on board with her, because his caucus has a bunch of Trump apologists in it, but he can at least keep his mouth shut.

 

[OUBubba]

It astounds me how effective claiming an investigation to be a "political witchhunt" is as a political strategy. Of course, in the case of Gaetz, it's pretty laughable, because the inquiry started under Trump's DoJ. Do Trump and William Barr have a political axe to grind against Matt Gaetz? Quite the opposite, if anything. Having said that, I do recognize that prosecutions of politicians are frequently done for political reasons. It definitely happens, but none of that makes the accused any less guilty. The response from the public should be, "OK, so what?"

At least for now, I'm reserving judgment on "Gym" Jordan. (I laughed at that.) I'll admit I haven't followed the story very closely, but has there been anything conclusive that he actually knew what was going on? What I've heard so far is claims that "it was impossible for him not to know." That's pretty weak. Did anyone put anything in writing and give it to him? On something that serious, you'd think someone would - a letter, a fax, an e-mail, etc. I'm not doubting that this doctor molested these wrestlers. However, let's remember that this is the subject of a civil lawsuit. Ordinarily if an employee rapes somebody, you don't get to sue the employer (the deep pockets) unless you can somehow tie it to the employer. Well, proving that the coach knew about it and did nothing about it is one way to get there, so there's a reason to lie. Obviously Jordan has a reason to lie too, but if it's a he-said-she-said and nothing more, I tend to presume innocence.

On Jordan, quite honestly, I've not "researched" it. I just like typing Gym Jordan.

Here’s who says Jim Jordan knew - or didn’t know - about sex abuse on OSU’s wrestling team

I like the comment, "yeah, he knows better than to try that crap with me".

 

[Seattle Husker]

On Jordan, quite honestly, I've not "researched" it. I just like typing Gym Jordan.

Here’s who says Jim Jordan knew - or didn’t know - about sex abuse on OSU’s wrestling team

I like the comment, "yeah, he knows better than to try that crap with me".

Gym Jordan's time at OSU as the Asst. Wrestling Coach can best be defined as intentional ignorance. To my knowledge there is not paper trail that shows Jordan was aware but given how rampant the sexual abuse was of the wrestlers (and at least 1 wrestler openly claiming it) one would have to have their head in the sand to not be aware.

Jordan's intentional bias on any number of issues and failure to recognize facts that don't support his positions could potentially be applied to his time as a wrestling coach.

 

[Mr. Deez]

On Jordan, quite honestly, I've not "researched" it. I just like typing Gym Jordan.

Here’s who says Jim Jordan knew - or didn’t know - about sex abuse on OSU’s wrestling team

I like the comment, "yeah, he knows better than to try that crap with me".

Honestly, I don't know what Gym knew. It just seems odd that there would be no written record of him finding out if this thing was so common.

Either way, what's really disturbing is this and why I'd never want my kid participating in college athletics. Suppose Jordan did know about it and did the right thing - meaning that he called the police, which is where all of these sexual abuse allegations should be reported and handled. Would he be in Congress today? Hell no. He probably would have lost his job (either by being directly shitcanned or just frozen out), and the entire OSU infrastructure would have crapped on him for embarassing the university. He'd be a night manager at Wendy's.

 

[mchammer]

South Carolina To Add Death-By-Firing-Squad As Execution Method | ZeroHedge

 

[Mr. Deez]

South Carolina To Add Death-By-Firing-Squad As Execution Method | ZeroHedge

Of course this happened because some dumbass activists in Europe (as well as in the US) put pressure on the companies who make lethal injection drugs to stop making them, leading to a shortage. I understand the strategy, but it's not going to permanently end the death penalty. It's going to lead to less humane and more painful executions. We used the lethal injection basically to be nice, not because we couldn't come up with another way to execute bad guys. Having said that, I'm not sure that the firing squad is much more painful than the lethal injection. A bullet through through the heart is going to kill pretty fast. The inmate may not even hear the gun fire. I'd sure as hell choose that over the electric chair.

 

[OUBubba]

Of course this happened because some dumbass activists in Europe (as well as in the US) put pressure on the companies who make lethal injection drugs to stop making them, leading to a shortage. I understand the strategy, but it's not going to permanently end the death penalty. It's going to lead to less humane and more painful executions. We used the lethal injection basically to be nice, not because we couldn't come up with another way to execute bad guys. Having said that, I'm not sure that the firing squad is much more painful than the lethal injection. A bullet through through the heart is going to kill pretty fast. The inmate may not even hear the gun fire. I'd sure as hell choose that over the electric chair.

Agree. I mean anything that takes place in a few seconds is about as humane as it can be.

 

[Horn6721]

Does it strike anyone else as a tad creepy to be worried about killing someone "humanely"?

 

[Seattle Husker]

Does it strike anyone else as a tad creepy to be worried about killing someone "humanely"?

More so than making the decision to execute someone?

 

[iatrogenic]

Both seem fine to me. I would prefer that executions were horrendously painful, extended, and televised. Maybe it would reduce the incidents causing executions.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Does it strike anyone else as a tad creepy to be worried about killing someone "humanely"?

I don't think so, and the founding fathers didn't think so. It's perfectly rational to impose the death penalty for the worst crimes but also not want to needlessly torture the guy.

 

[Horn6721]

I am pretty sure many of our founding fathers were against the death penalty but since this is a state issue they could not affect.
Did any founding father actually comment on the type of death penalty used?

 

[Mr. Deez]

I am pretty sure many of our founding fathers were against the death penalty but since this is a state issue they could not affect.
Did any founding father actually comment on the type of death penalty used?

I'm not aware of any of the founding fathers being against the death penalty. The Constitution very clearly allowed for it by requiring a due process to deprive someone of life (5th Amendment). That's a pointless provision without the death penalty.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Both seem fine to me. I would prefer that executions were horrendously painful, extended, and televised. Maybe it would reduce the incidents causing executions.

I personally prefer they die how they killed. The problem is finding any normal/sane person who could dismember or stab the convicted killer 35 times. Shooting them in the head might be easier for some.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Is there a pool for when Liz Cheney gets excised from House GOP leadership? I'd like to get 5/7.

Who had Wednesday 5/12?

McCarthy schedules vote to oust Cheney for Wednesday

In a letter to House members arguing to oust Cheney here is what McCarthy wrote. Think he wrote it with a straight face or was laughing the whole time?

“We are a big tent party. We represent Americans of all backgrounds & continue to grow our movement by the day. And unlike the left, we embrace free thought & debate.”

 

[iatrogenic]

Who had Wednesday 5/12?

McCarthy schedules vote to oust Cheney for Wednesday

In a letter to House members arguing to oust Cheney here is what McCarthy wrote. Think he wrote it with a straight face or was laughing the whole time?

The free thought and debate was embraced. There was a serious lack of agreement over the content of the free thought and debate that was embraced, however.