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[Monahorns]

Not asking you to be ashamed of that but also recognize it shapes your desire for government intervention and runs directly counter to your espoused libertarian claims.

No it doesn't. Public schools are government, therefore writing more laws to determine how they operate is on the table. The libertarian position is that individual (ie parents) get to affect how the government schools teach our kids. Period.

That ship has sailed. Society long ago abdicated parental responsibility in many instances to schools, sadly. Discipline, home economics, sexual education are all areas where schools have become the backstop to train our children. Not saying it's right but rather its the way it is.

Anything done can be undone. You are witnessing a little bit, just a little bit of parents taking that back. Plus millions more are in home school and private schools now. So no, the ship hasn't sailed.

My bias is shaped from being married to a teacher, my own children and my own experiences. I also have a personal philosophy of assuming positive intent until proven otherwise. Using charged language like "grooming" for teachers that are simply trying to do the job to the best of their ability and clearly not trying to turn any child "gay" is an abhorrent abuse of language.

Most of my aunts, uncles, and cousins are or have been teachers. So I do have sympathies for teachers.

The law isn't intended to stop teachers doing their job. The law is intended to protect child groomers.

 

[nashhorn]

I'd love to see the videos if you have links.

Not me.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Rep. Madison Cawthorn has an alternative view of Zelensky based on a video this past weekend. Zelensky is a "thug", Ukraine is "incredibly corrupt" and "Ukraine is pushing a woke ideology".

NC Rep Cawthorn under fire for Ukraine comments :: WRAL.com

In other news, Rep Cawthorn for a 2nd time was cited for driving with a revoked license.

Cawthorn charged with driving with revoked license for second time

 

[Mr. Deez]

Rep. Madison Cawthorn has an alternative view of Zelensky based on a video this past weekend. Zelensky is a "thug", Ukraine is "incredibly corrupt" and "Ukraine is pushing a woke ideology".

We have people here who say similar junk. It's just particularly nauseating coming from a member of Congress. The goal is to foster political indecision and blunt resolve. Nazi Germany had its defenders and shills too.

In other news, Rep Cawthorn for a 2nd time was cited for driving with a revoked license.

Cawthorn charged with driving with revoked license for second time

He's such a joke. Surely he can't get reelected.

 

[Seattle Husker]

He's such a joke. Surely he can't get reelected.

You'd think so but I've lost faith in voters at this point. He'll only lose in the primaries. If not there, I'm certain whomever the opponent party puts up will be painted as "satanic", "pedophile" or simply "evil" to justify voting for this chump. The D's could run Mother Theresa and she'd be all of the those things to a heavy R district.

 

[Mr. Deez]

You'd think so but I've lost faith in voters at this point. He'll only lose in the primaries. If not there, I'm certain whomever the opponent party puts up will be painted as "satanic", "pedophile" or simply "evil" to justify voting for this chump. The D's could run Mother Theresa and she'd be all of the those things to a heavy R district.

Probably so, but Alabama elected Doug Jones so you never know. If the D's ran a candidate who was solidly moderate (right-leaning on social issues and therefore harder to demonize - Joe Manchin
-type), likeable, and worked the district very hard, then he or she might have a chance. That district is actually tighter than the state of Alabama.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Probably so, but Alabama elected Doug Jones so you never know. If the D's ran a candidate who was solidly moderate (right-leaning on social issues and therefore harder to demonize - Joe Manchin
-type), likeable, and worked the district very hard, then he or she might have a chance. That district is actually tighter than the state of Alabama.

Ahhh...D's need evidence that Cawthorn is a pedophile to win.

 

[OUBubba]

Ahhh...D's need evidence that Cawthorn is a pedophile to win.

His lies about West Point and being left behind by his friend are bad. Let alone being catfished by a Russian spy.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Ahhh...D's need evidence that Cawthorn is a pedophile to win.

It would certainly help. Lol. However, I'm not sure they'd have to go that far. Alabama is R+15. NC11 is R+9. If he makes a enough of an assclown of himself on Ukraine coupled with personal and criminal problems, losing isn't out of the question. But if the D's can find someone to credibly accuse him of pedophilia, that would certainly come in handy. Frankly, knowing his reputation, I'd be a little surprised if he hadn't banged an underaged girl at some point.

 

[Monahorns]

SH, here's one. Even gay Republicans are against this stuff.

 

[Monahorns]

Here is an advocacy group saying that my children belong to the gay advocates. It's called grooming. Checkmate.

 

[Seattle Husker]

SH, here's one. Even gay Republicans are against this stuff.

Sorry, I thought you said you had evidence of a teacher in a classroom. I'm not sure what this is but "Gay Camp" is stated and all the kids are adorned like they may be gay. If this is some sort of day camp for LGBTQ kids are you saying that shouldn't be allowed?

 

[Seattle Husker]

Here is an advocacy group saying that my children belong to the gay advocates. It's called grooming. Checkmate.

That still doesn't fall within the confines of this school law does it?

 

[bystander]

I'm not advocating teaching "gay" but have a disdain for any attempt to hide the existence the LGBTQ community. It's simply another attempt to prevent people from coming out.

My son and daughter went to a private Christian school. There was no hiding of it. They knew all about it and it wasn't necessarily from me. My daughter has said she loves gay guys.

Your comment about hiding it is hyperbole. It's the reason we can't come together on it.

Even clear language is immediately labeled "a dog whistle" by the Left. So you know what I say? Screw 'em. I mean the Left. Not gay people. It's the complete lack of reasonableness that gets them every time. They are obsessed and you can't win with them.

So we live without them.

 

[Seattle Husker]

My son and daughter went to a private Christian school. There was no hiding of it. They knew all about it and it wasn't necessarily from me. My daughter has said she loves gay guys.

Your comment about hiding it is hyperbole. It's the reason we can't come together on it.

Even clear language is immediately labeled "a dog whistle" by the Left. So you know what I say? Screw 'em. I mean the Left. Not gay people. It's the complete lack of reasonableness that gets them every time. They are obsessed and you can't win with them.

So we live without them.

Good for your kids. Now it's time to rewind the clock to 1970, at least for the LGBTQ community.

I don't believe it's hyperbole. This law is specifically trying to stop "gay" being discussed in primary school and allowing parents to sue schools if it is discussed.

It's not lost on me that you are accusing me of hyperbole while the guy shouting GROOMING gets none of your ire.

 

[Facing Addiction]

Good for your kids. Now it's time to rewind the clock to 1970, at least for the LGBTQ community.

I don't believe it's hyperbole. This law is specifically trying to stop "gay" being discussed in primary school and allowing parents to sue schools if it is discussed.

It's not lost on me that you are accusing me of hyperbole while the guy shouting GROOMING gets none of your ire.

I have to agree with MB at this point, you still haven't read the bill. It says "course instruction," not discussion if it comes up, not answering a question. The bill says it can't be in the curriculum for children through 3rd grade. In any universe, that is completely reasonable.

The fact that a legislator felt that it had to be codified in a bill and that other legislators (and others) are fighting it is what freaks me out. It should have never crossed anybody's radar that it might be taught and since it has, it should be a slam dunk. Again, ANY sex education is not appropriate for 4-8 year olds, ANY. And that's not a LGBTQ Thing. It's a what's appropriate to be taught at that age thing.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

You'd think so but I've lost faith in voters at this point. He'll only lose in the primaries. If not there, I'm certain whomever the opponent party puts up will be painted as "satanic", "pedophile" or simply "evil" to justify voting for this chump. The D's could run Mother Theresa and she'd be all of the those things to a heavy R district.

Maybe even call his opponent one of the basket full of deplorables. That works well too..

 

[Facing Addiction]

Not sure where to post this because I could have posted it in any West Mall thread:

 

[Monahorns]

Sorry, I thought you said you had evidence of a teacher in a classroom. I'm not sure what this is but "Gay Camp" is stated and all the kids are adorned like they may be gay. If this is some sort of day camp for LGBTQ kids are you saying that shouldn't be allowed?

I have seen videos of teachers bragging about how they discuss their own sexual identity with their elementary school kids, but these two things came up. They are obvious examples of what the schools are saying about other peoples' kids. I'll share more as I come across them again.

 

[bystander]

My feeling is that Liberals have big mouths about their beliefs and any teacher who is a Liberal will bolt pass the theoretical line about CRT and anything else. They will consider themselves to be moral and activist. They will not consider anything or anybody (including parents) because they are the teacher.

And for the record, in general, I'm not that impressed by teachers beyond their grasp of core curriculum. I just don't trust them with social issues.

CRT is a prime example. Will they "teach" facts such as slavery, Jim Crow and documented examples of atrocities? Or will they add to that OPINIONS about the inherent racism that may exist in white children?

We are talking about a "coup" of sorts in that the Left wants to re-engineer white kids and straight kids. They want to assume that gender is fluid in every child. They want white kids to be bludgeoned until they are drones, walking around admitting they are bad for the mere sake of the COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.

That is the problem as I see it.

 

[mb227]

Good for your kids. Now it's time to rewind the clock to 1970, at least for the LGBTQ community.

I don't believe it's hyperbole. This law is specifically trying to stop "gay" being discussed in primary school and allowing parents to sue schools if it is discussed.

It's not lost on me that you are accusing me of hyperbole while the guy shouting GROOMING gets none of your ire.

It is truly sad that you don't listen to the gay and lesbians who actually READ the MASSIVE seven-pages of text.

Sexuality has NO place in the curriculum of primary schools. None.

Try reading for once in your life. The Bill was linked here and you STILL show that you have not (or are incapable) read HB1557. You would look a lot less like a fool if you did something other than parroting talking points from people who ALSO have not bothered to read the seven pages. It is SEVEN pages. SEVEN!

 

[Horn6721]

Mona
Btw the gay dude leading the kids in the gay pride anthem is the "husband " of Pete Buttigieg

 

[Monahorns]

Yeah. The Buttigieg family has long been a part of the advanced guard of Marxism in this country. The "husband" is in the family business.

 

[OUBubba]

We are talking about a "coup" of sorts in that the Left wants to re-engineer white kids and straight kids. They want to assume that gender is fluid in every child. They want white kids to be bludgeoned until they are drones, walking around admitting they are bad for the mere sake of the COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.

Sometimes you are very reasonable. Then this pops up.

Now, I agree that the actual law is not the discussion that's being had here or in the twitterverse. The law is not horrible and I kind of agree with (checks notes) mb here.

 

[OUBubba]

CRT is a prime example. Will they "teach" facts such as slavery, Jim Crow and documented examples of atrocities? Or will they add to that OPINIONS about the inherent racism that may exist in white children?

So we don't teach about slavery, Jim Crow, etc.? And, given that it took 52 years and an HBO drama to lead me to learn about the racial murdering and destruction of black wall street that took place about an hour from where I have lived my entire life, I think we've already been editing what we teach our children.

 

[Horn6721]

Bubba
That you weren't taught what happened in your own state is a reflection of your own state.

 

[Monahorns]

So we don't teach about slavery, Jim Crow, etc.? And, given that it took 52 years and an HBO drama to lead me to learn about the racial murdering and destruction of black wall street that took place about an hour from where I have lived my entire life, I think we've already been editing what we teach our children.

It is really concerning that you still don't understand what critical race theory is.

There are some videos in the link that go into detail. The guy in the video used to be a leftist himself. Democrat voter. A part of the New Atheist movement. But he considered himself a consistent liberal, so he started studying the subject on his own. Now he teaches on it for a living.

The Deep Ideological Origins of Critical Race Theory

 

[OUBubba]

It is really concerning that you still don't understand what critical race theory is.

There are some videos in the link that go into detail. The guy in the video used to be a leftist himself. Democrat voter. A part of the New Atheist movement. But he considered himself a consistent liberal, so he started studying the subject on his own. Now he teaches on it for a living.

The Deep Ideological Origins of Critical Race Theory

I understand what it is. It does not take place in primary school. Or if you're going to morph the definition to something beyond what was intended then maybe Oklahoma was practicing CRT by not allowing me to learn fully about the Tulsa Race Riots.

 

[Monahorns]

For SH, more public school grooming programs. Notice the embedded video is a person who works for this organization advocating for toddler masturbation.

'Sexy' sex ed camps are teaching 'all ages' how to self-abort, become a sex worker, and more

I also saw an advertisement for this in Austin ISD too. But I couldn't find it when I went back to find it.

 

[guy4321]

Y'all left off the other part of Cawthorn's recent comments: "Honestly, both governments in both Russia and Ukraine are incredibly corrupt and very vile."

Nothing wrong with thinking two governments are wrong. Them being at war doesn't mean you have to start liking one. I don't interpret Cawthorn as attempting to say the Ukrainian citizens deserve to be attacked with "I am praying for Ukraine and the Ukrainian people."

US Rep. Madison Cawthorn calls Ukrainian president 'thug,' later says both Russia, Ukraine are 'very vile' :: WRAL.com