Opting Out

MajorRules00 said:
I respectfully disagree. The boneheaded decisions on the field are directly related to the boneheaded decisions off the field. Just as it makes little sense to go for a fake punt against ISU, it's equally as bizarre to blame a school's football fans/alums for a nation's social problems.
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As usual, Major...
Spot on.
 
Hillcityhorn said:
He may have an high IQ, but on 4th and 1, 4 years in & still doesn't have a QB sneak in his binder is beyond idiotic. I'm not convinced if he's a done because Texas could've hired Bryan Harsin
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I'm not so sure I believe that whole high IQ narrative.
I want to see some papers
 
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dukesteer said:
My take is that the ring leaders, yes Colin Sterns and Eagles, probably made it extremely difficult for other black players not to go along.
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This^^^^^ as well as white players. Notice only one white player there after the RRR.

And, I saw Drew Brees sporting a "Say Her Name" shirt in warmups the other night.
Wow Drew, you've come a long way.

If these pros feel they must acquiesce, imagine how much pressure a young, impressionable (immature) white dude must feel on a team that is ___??% black.

Makes the way Sam navigated this sensitive and difficult subject at his age all the more impressive. He needs to go counsel Mr. Brees on how to show genuine concern for others while still maintaining your own spine
 
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Joe Fan said:
We lose to dreams of the NFL
Sam Cosmi
Joseph Ossai
Brennan Eagles
Caden Sterns
Chris Brown
TaQuon Graham
We lose to the Portal
Xavion Alford
Ja’Quinden Jackson
Daniel Carson
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Maybe we should chip in and buy some cardboard cutouts for all those who quit us?

EpzyOvAXUAIWZTi
 
RainH2burntO said:
He needs to go counsel Mr. Brees on how to show genuine concern for others while still maintaining your own spine
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Well put and an excellent point.

I like Brees, but to be unambiguous, he acquiesced. I’m not suggesting what I would or would not have done, faced with the challenges he faced, including death threats. I’d like the believe, however, that I would have held firm to my core beliefs.

It is true, however, that Brees had a unique opportunity to make a bold statement and instead he wilted. Sam didn’t. Sam stood there, alone in the world and for all to see, and sent a message to his father in the clouds, and a message to millions and millions who bleed burnt orange.

Sam’s father had to be glowing. Drew’s
grandfathers, to whom he has alluded many times, his heroes, could not have been proud.
 
RainH2burntO said:
This^^^^^ as well as white players. Notice only one white player there after the RRR.

And, I saw Drew Brees sporting a "Say Her Name" shirt in warmups the other night.
Wow Drew, you've come a long way.

If these pros feel they must acquiesce, imagine how much pressure a young, impressionable (immature) white dude must feel on a team that is ___??% black.

Makes the way Sam navigated this sensitive and difficult subject at his age all the more impressive. He needs to go counsel Mr. Brees on how to show genuine concern for others while still maintaining your own spine
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Brees is a POS.
 
Pros??? Don’t know em- haven’t watched a pro game in 2 seasons, not protesting... just don’t care.
It’s turned into the WWE.
 
Eagles and Sterns ( the “Wolf” is a great nickname in hindsight for Sterns as in a Wolf in sheep’s clothing) are the only 2 I am glad to see go.
And it’s goodby to Texas University thanks for nothing.
One thing I challenge anyone to do is find any post I’ve ever personally said anything derogatory about a player, and I’ll never do so regarding their ability on the field. These two are a first for me and I know that doesn’t mean Jack Crap to them and it shouldn’t- but dam the day UT signed them was a dark day for Texas athletics.
 
@SabreHorn and @caryhorn on the wearing of a rapist's name on his helmet and apologizing for his comments earlier this year, Brees is a POS. He may be a great guy otherwise, but I couldn't care less about that. Like Herman, he was weak. Unlike Herman, he has skins on the wall to fall back on and say screw you I'm not apologizing, I'm a Super Bowl winning MVP quarterback. So, when I say he is a POS, it is on this issue.
 
horninchicago said:
@SabreHorn and @caryhorn on the wearing of a rapist's name on his helmet and apologizing for his comments earlier this year, Brees is a POS. He may be a great guy otherwise, but I couldn't care less about that. Like Herman, he was weak. Unlike Herman, he has skins on the wall to fall back on and say screw you I'm not apologizing, I'm a Super Bowl winning MVP quarterback. So, when I say he is a POS, it is on this issue.
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Brees seems to be for/against everything, so it's confusing to figure him out. Agree that Herman has no skins on the wall and needed to figure out how to win close games before worrying about social issues.
 
moondog_LFZ said:
Or maybe "these pros" have actually come to believe in the stance they project.
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I hope you're right, Moon. Undoubtedly, some have done just that I am sure. And I can't know Drew's heart.
These things (supporting others while holding to differing views) shouldn't be mutually exclusive, however. What we need are people who can listen to the other side, show love/care/empathy, and still remain solid on their own much-needed values and beliefs. But, Brees has a history of voicing a strong view, then quickly washing out when pressed. It is my belief that those who hold views they value but quickly and readily cave, undermine the opportunity for a much needed dialogue and balancing out (in the marketplace of ideas) of some of these -in my view- extreme, emotionally-driven, and not-very-well-thought-out movements. Drew can do whatever he wants. I have infinitely more respect for a guy like Sam who can show compassion for others while still taking a stand for an opposing perspective.
 
And I wish to edit-add to my prior post....
I am not calling victim on these white players by saying they've been unduely/unfairly pressured.
They have been unduely/unfairly pressured....But no way....they are grown ups and can own it. It isnt the activist black players fault if others (white or black) who don't feel the same don't have the courage to take a stand for themselves and their own views and values.
 
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The Brees and the Herman discussion is all about leadership, or more accurately, a lack of it. Leadership is all about taking the right position, not the popular position.

In fact, leadership often requires the courage to take an unpopular position, and to be heavily criticized for having done so. This has been the case throughout history. Retrospectively, many who courageously took the more controversial route and were criticized and threatened when they did so, are celebrated today for their courage. We all know (have read about) many of them.

I’m nobody’s hero or role model, BELIEVE ME, but I am proud to say that throughout my career I have tried to stand up — sometimes at some risk — for what I knew was right, contrary to the prevailing opinion at the time.

The “stands” I took cannot be compared to the decision Brees had to make this summer. Regardless, he made the wrong choice. He was a shrinking violet when there was a need for a courageous stand. Remember, this is/was a man who was revered by an entire city & state. He had massive winds behind his wings and had he stood tall, the silent majority would have been behind him.

Herman is simply an immature, self-centered individual who lacks judgment.

Both had a unique and significant opportunity to assume an important leadership role, and neither did. Brees must know that he made a mistake but as (I believe) Rain noted, he didn’t — and doesn’t — have the spine. That’s why, understandably, HIC used the POS assessment.

To me, Herman lacks so many attributes that it’s hard to know where to start.
 
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everette said:
I hope nobody is calling a Brees a POS because he wore a shirt that said, "Say Her Name!"
Maybe I missed something.
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After sighting respect and affection for his two grandfathers, both of who served, Brees stated that he would be standing for the flag and the National Anthem in the summer. Teammates called him out so under pressure, he backed down, and his wife did a tearful mea culpa. Basically he didn’t stand up for what he believed.
 
everette said:
I hope nobody is calling a Brees a POS because he wore a shirt that said, "Say Her Name!"
Maybe I missed something.
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Nope. Sounds like you understand. That's exactly why, along with the other things noted in the thread. But, if you like him, that's great.

See how that works?

Edit: Let me re-clarify the clarification from Post #132 above. He is a POS in this regard, the walking back of his comments etc. He may be a great guy otherwise. I don't hang out with him, so what I care about is the leadership, etc., like duke mentioned.
 
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dukesteer said:
... He was a shrinking violet when there was a need for a courageous stand....
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His quick flip flop after the original brilliant defense of his family members who served, was so disheartening to watch. Among so many bad moments in 2020, I think this one of the ones that will stick in the memory.
 
IQ is just horsepower - means nothing if not hooked into a good transmission and tire system.

Florida has its top 4 receivers all quitting before the bowl. How as a coach can you expect to plan for a game when all your best players have quit on you? And that's for a big 6 bowl, not some 24 Dec scrub bowl.

The quitting has gotten out of hand, and the most important aspect of bowl is going to be which players on which team have quit.

If I was a coach and a player quit before the bowl, I'd let it be know that he had one hour to clean his locker out before it all goes into the trash, and that he's removed from all team activities, including any draft prep work next week. I can't quit my job before a big project and then expect to use the company gym, why should players?
 
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