Opting Out

[RainH2burntO]

Overshown publicly refused to practice unless/until the woke demands were met to his satisfaction. If that doesn’t fall into your “cancer” definition, I guess we just disagree.

No....Shogun. I was thinking there was something that I couldn't recall that surprised and bothered me about him. Thanks for bringing it up. I wholeheartedly disagree with what he said there.
I guess I have it in mind that there were a few main instigators and some of these younger guys will show another side of themselves next year. I'm all about grace...but truth has to me there, too, and you are correct I believe what he said there is wrong. I still support and want to see 85% of these guys here next year.

 

[RainH2burntO]

Sterns seemed to be the ring-leader in wokeness. Eagles had "team first" issues last year (reminds me of Terrell Owens/Dez Bryant/etc/etc). Maybe Overshown will just shut up and dribble, er, play football without the "main complainer" being gone? He is a terrific athlete and we need him on the field. Maybe covid won't be so prevalent this next fall and teams will be more able to focus on the thing they're mostly here to do?

Yep....I see Sterns and Eagles as the two main problem children. Who knows??

 

[RainH2burntO]

As does the mollycoddling from the woke apologists.

And I hope you won't put me in that ^^^^category. If you follow or know me at all...I do not believe I have been in that camp at all throughout this. There were serious issues this year fans have every right to take issue with...and I have.
I just think at some point we need to see if we can move forward, make sure we aren't making things even worse for our school and program....and be aware and prepared...but also supportive and hopeful moving forward for anyone who wants to be here and be committed to UT and the program.
I have read your posts in the past and agree with a great deal of your position....we may just differ on sentiment a bit.

 

[mchammer]

There is a difference in being engaged and pushing for change vs negotiating in bad faith. I said so from the beginning. These players got very bad advice and Herman was absent or a moron. Negotiating for a win-win is about leverage and not the kind about keeping the university hostage by not playing or participating in fundraising events. It’s about singing the eyes after the game and using it as leverage to make the campus more welcoming to Blacks. I mean this isn’t hard, but I have learned from experience. You have to check your ego at the door and fight for a win-win.

 

[Vino Bevo]

There is a difference in being engaged and pushing for change vs negotiating in bad faith. I said so from the beginning. These players got very bad advice and Herman was absent or a moron. Negotiating for a win-win is about leverage and not the kind about keeping the university hostage by not playing or participating in fundraising events. It’s about singing the eyes after the game and using it as leverage to make the campus more welcoming to Blacks. I mean this isn’t hard, but I have learned from experience. You have to check your ego at the door and fight for a win-win.

Well said

 

[OrangeShogun]

And I hope you won't put me in that ^^^^category. If you follow or know me at all...I do not believe I have been in that camp at all throughout this. There were serious issues this year fans have every right to take issue with...and I have.
I just think at some point we need to see if we can move forward, make sure we aren't making things even worse for our school and program....and be aware and prepared...but also supportive and hopeful moving forward for anyone who wants to be here and be committed to UT and the program.
I have read your posts in the past and agree with a great deal of your position....we may just differ on sentiment a bit.

Rain, my response was in no way aimed at you. I have the utmost respect for you and your thoughtful responses.
I too am a believer in grace. I am also a believer in personal responsibility. These young men had no qualms with openly expressing their negative opinions about UT, its traditions, culture and alumni. If they've had a change of heart, the first step in forgiveness and reconciliation is for them to admit to their mistake and issue an apology of sorts (this also applies to Herman). If that ever happens, I'll be the first one back on the band wagon.

 

[Joe Fan]

Based on Overshown’s tweet, it appeared there was some (social) pressure for him to leave (portal, NFL, whatever), but he said he worked too hard to give up on his dream. Maybe he saw the light and realized mixing politics and your career doesn’t feed the family.

They are young people. Supposed to be learning something, maturing, finding out who they are, right?

If you accept this as a sort of universal truth, then it makes the positioning by our HC, AD and school president to defer to their demands pretty pathetic.

 

[RainH2burntO]

They are young people. Supposed to be learning something, maturing, finding out who they are, right?

If you accept this as a sort of universal truth, then it makes the positioning by our HC, AD and school president to defer to their demands pretty pathetic.

Well I'll say this about that^^^^^
One of the biggest problems we have at UT (and really everywhere these days) is the "adults" are quite immature themselves....and still learning things people once knew by the age of 12.

 

[MajorRules00]

They are young people. Supposed to be learning something, maturing, finding out who they are, right?

If you accept this as a sort of universal truth, then it makes the positioning by our HC, AD and school president to defer to their demands pretty pathetic.

Yep. The main culprit here are the adults in the room. They needed to show some backbone. And they didn't...until the alums stepped in.

 

[MajorRules00]

Well I'll say this about that^^^^^
One of the biggest problems we have at UT (and really everywhere these days) is the "adults" are quite immature themselves....and still learning things people once knew by the age of 12.

Agreed. It's a lack of backbone that's plaguing our society. IMO due to materialism.

 

[dukesteer]

My take is that the ring leaders, yes Colin Sterns and Eagles, probably made it extremely difficult for other black players not to go along.

This is where leadership is needed but instead, Herman exhibited the same lack of maturity as his instigators, twenty plus years his junior. It was amazing to witness. For as long as I live I will not forget the Manifesto.

So while I am extremely unhappy with the antics of so many, I can only imagine the peer pressure in that locker room. “Either you’re 100% with us, or you’re 100% against us.” We saw that play out virtually every day in the summer.

Herman’s inability to navigate the situation and instead exacerbate it will likely be studied in the future as an extraordinary example of failed leadership. When it was needed the most, he performed the worst. (Sounds like a familiar pattern, doesn’t it?)

Sorry to say but CDC’s performance at the time was certainly not stellar either. That may taint “his” legacy when all is said and done.

 

[txhorn_et]

If we don't get our way, we won't play. To heck with that. It's not like they played when they were on the field anyway. Time to change direction. Any players on the current roster that don't care to be part of the Texas Longhorns and all that entails, show them the door.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

My take is that the ring leaders, yes Colin Sterns and Eagles, probably made it extremely difficult for other black players not to go along.

This is where leadership is needed but instead, Herman exhibited the same lack of maturity as his instigators, twenty plus years his junior. It was amazing to witness. For as long as I live I will not forget the Manifesto.

So while I am extremely unhappy with the antics of so many, I can only imagine the peer pressure in that locker room. “Either you’re 100% with us, or you’re 100% against us.” We saw that play out virtually every day in the summer.

Herman’s inability to navigate the situation and instead exacerbate it will likely be studied in the future as an extraordinary example of failed leadership. When it was needed the most, he performed the worst. (Sounds like a familiar pattern, doesn’t it?)

Sorry to say but CDC’s performance at the time was certainly not stellar either. That may taint “his” legacy when all is said and done.

Herman's coaching decisions or lack of time management has been the problem, not his political stance or his stance on social issues. I could care less what he said about the fans. He lost 3 games this year because he sucks at game time decision making. For example, should have went for 2 vs OU and they wouldn't be winning their 6th big12 title in a row. That's what sucks about Herman is his ability to snag defeat from the jaws of victory, not his inability to agree with the fans on social issues.

 

[horninchicago]

Herman's coaching decisions or lack of time management has been the problem, not his political stance or his stance on social issues. I could care less what he said about the fans. He lost 3 games this year because he sucks at game time decision making. For example, should have went for 2 vs OU and they wouldn't be winning their 6th big12 title in a row. That's what sucks about Herman is his ability to snag defeat from the jaws of victory, not his inability to agree with the fans on social issues.

Well, that settles it then.

 

[dukesteer]

Herman's coaching decisions or lack of time management has been the problem, not his political stance or his stance on social issues. I could care less what he said about the fans. He lost 3 games this year because he sucks at game time decision making. For example, should have went for 2 vs OU and they wouldn't be winning their 6th big12 title in a row. That's what sucks about Herman is his ability to snag defeat from the jaws of victory, not his inability to agree with the fans on social issues.

While everything you mentioned about his coaching failures are true, I believe the reason Herman is a dead man walking is, more than any other factor, his mismanagement of the social issue in the summer.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

While everything you mentioned about his coaching failures are true, I believe the reason Herman is a dead man walking is, more than any other factor, his mismanagement of the social issue in the summer.

He definitely didn't help himself because it added more to an already "must-win" big 12 title year. Instead of being 31-18, if he was 35-15 or 34-16 with a big 12 title. Would y'all care about any of his political/social stances?!?!

 

[Hillcityhorn]

Well, that settles it then.

Well, winning would settle it all. If Herman was better than 14-13 in one score games. Just a thought...

 

[horninchicago]

Well, winning would settle it all. If Herman was better than 14-13 in one score games. Just a thought...

Well, it would settle it for folks like you it sounds like, but not others. I loathe him. I couldn't;t care less if he went undefeated. Hell, I could barely type that with a straight face, the thought of that clown doing that.

 

[MajorRules00]

Herman's coaching decisions or lack of time management has been the problem, not his political stance or his stance on social issues. I could care less what he said about the fans. He lost 3 games this year because he sucks at game time decision making. For example, should have went for 2 vs OU and they wouldn't be winning their 6th big12 title in a row. That's what sucks about Herman is his ability to snag defeat from the jaws of victory, not his inability to agree with the fans on social issues.

I respectfully disagree. The boneheaded decisions on the field are directly related to the boneheaded decisions off the field. Just as it makes little sense to go for a fake punt against ISU, it's equally as bizarre to blame a school's football fans/alums for a nation's social problems.

 

[SabreHorn]

Would y'all care about any of his political/social stances?!?!

If he had won a national championship, it would not erase the EMBARRASSMENT he caused The University. He is an arrogant immature cretin with a high IQ.

Let me reiterate, Tom Herman can NEVER do enough on the field to atone for his actions, particularly with the people who write the checks.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

Well, it would settle it for folks like you it sounds like, but not others. I loathe him. I couldn't;t care less if he went undefeated. Hell, I could barely type that with a straight face, the thought of that clown doing that.

Well, we loathe him for different reasons, so I get it. What is frustrating is the fact that we could easily be sitting undefeated going to the CFP.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

If he had won a national championship, it would not erase the EMBARRASSMENT he caused The University. He is an arrogant immature cretin with a high IQ.

Let me reiterate, Tom Herman can NEVER do enough on the field to atone for his actions, particularly with the people who write the checks.

He may have an high IQ, but on 4th and 1, 4 years in & still doesn't have a QB sneak in his binder is beyond idiotic. I'm not convinced if he's a done because Texas could've hired Bryan Harsin

 

[SabreHorn]

We could not have hired Bryan Harsin. That wound in deep and will never heal. That's the same reason Chris Peterson refused to answer the phone a few years back.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

We could not have hired Bryan Harsin. That wound in deep and will never heal. That's the same reason Chris Peterson refused to answer the phone a few years back.

What happened? I thought that Harsin's time as OC here was just a stepping stone to HC job, which he took Arkansas st job and then he went back to Boise...

 

[SabreHorn]

He was trying to get out three weeks into starting here. He & Peterson felt like he had been lied to, he wasn't allowed to do his job, he was just a shill Mack used to appease the restless. Did he want the job in Jonesboro? NO, but it was available NOW and would get him away from Mack Brown and Texas.

 

[Hillcityhorn]

He was trying to get out three weeks into starting here. He & Peterson felt like he had been lied to, he wasn't allowed to do his job, he was just a shill Mack used to appease the restless. Did he want the job in Jonesboro? NO, but it was available NOW and would get him away from Mack Brown and Texas.

So Mack failed to discuss that Major would be OC too?? I forgot how him and Major had the CO-OC gig back then. It's kind of like, splitting time between 2 QBs, usually doesn't work. SMH

 

[dukesteer]

Would y'all care about any of his political/social stances?!?!

While SabreHorn has already said as much, nothing Herman could do on the field — no successes and no CFP Championships — could persuade me not to want him gone.

The man took my beloved school and its traditions — the passion of my life for more than 60 years — and pissed on them. He didn’t give a cr**.

So screw him and the horse he rode in on.

 

[Joe Fan]

Sam Ehlinger said he is still undecided on whether he will use his extra year of eligibility or move on to the NFL

 

[dukesteer]

Sam Ehlinger said he is still undecided on whether he will use his extra year of eligibility or move on to the NFL

Just a guess — and Sam would never admit as much — but I have to believe that deep down, he lacks respect for Herman. After all, Sam’s bond to his late father was to an extent through Texas football. We can all imagine how his dad would almost certainly have felt about what went down in the summer.

When Herman is terminated, it’ll be interesting to see what decision Sam makes, and how badly the new HC would like to have him available in September.

 

[Pomspoms]

I am wondering if Herman is still around next year and Sam decides to play for us if he will give the backups a fair chance to beat him out for the starting job.