Only 5 goddam players stayed in the field for the Eyes

I'm reading conflicting reports. (Sam, Dicker, Graham, others...?)

So who exactly did stay on the field after the OU game for The Eyes?
 
The players are at the forefront of this issue. But the real villian is the SJW professor sowing bitterness and misinformation about UT culture.

If you are going to really carry out the logic, the song isn't the problem. The problem is UT the school itself and the state of Texas itself. Draw a line in the sand here because they won't stop. Fire this professor, if possible. Teach the history. Be honest and transparent, but this professor is teaching an ideology and pushing a viewpoint of deconstructing the school.
 
Once a black professor tells black students that a song or a tradition is racist or white supremacist, very few are going to question it. To do so would to be disloyal to his race. This is an instance where I don't support a professor's speech due to the other context. He should be free to say what he wants outside of the school. But he shouldn't be paid by the school to sow the seeds of the school's destruction.
 
Monahorns said:
Once a black professor tells black students that a song or a tradition is racist or white supremacist, very few are going to question it. To do so would to be disloyal to his race. This is an instance where I don't support a professor's speech due to the other context. He should be free to say what he wants outside of the school. But he shouldn't be paid by the school to sow the seeds of the school's destruction.
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And we know what happens if any conservative black person does dispute this kind of BS. Tagged with the Uncle Tom label.
 
The problem as I see it is this:

1) White liberal leadership falling all over themselves to be the savior
2) Intimidation by the cancel culture.
 
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The following post came from a viewer on You Tube. It's an outstanding analysis...

"This is a really odd situation. I'm not a UT fan, though I am involved in football in the state, so I have an outsider's perspective, and I think I can see the issue with that program. The last three coaches who've been in charge in Austin are all good coaches. Mack is a great coach. Not a good coach, a great coach. Merely good coaches don't win national titles, given how steep that mountain is. Mack was said to have lost it, yet here he is leading a top-tier program again at Carolina.

Charlie Strong has succeeded everywhere he's been. Except Austin. Tom Herman has succeeded everywhere he's been. Except Austin. Hell, he won a major bowl and spanked FSU and OU in consecutive games at Houston.

And yet, the narrative is that Strong and Herman forgot how to coach the minute they stepped off the plane in Travis County. I don't think so. I think that after Herman is dismissed, he will re-emerge at a smaller program and pick up where he left off at UH, just as Charlie has done. Mack has gone back to what is really a marginal program at UNC and made it a winner again.

That leaves the eternal question: why are these quality coaches doing so poorly at Texas?There is only one reason that seems plausible to me. The culture around that program is so puffed up and self-congratulatory that the players don't believe they have to work and fight to excel in this game. There must be so many hangers-on, suckups, and $50 handshake men around the program that these boys think they've arrived the instant they step foot on campus. And that culture must be so powerful and pervasive that it overrides the messages they're getting from even tough coaches like Strong.

Usually we see this thing at the pro level, where players often make more money and are far less expendable than coaches. It's rare in college, because most HCs are dictators in their respective programs. Nothing happens at Alabama that hasn't already been approved by Nick Saban, and the most highly touted five star couldn't cut a fart without his permission. Not so at Texas. These players--all of whom seem talented--are being told by forces outside the coaching staff that they don't really have to listen to these coaches. Because the fact is they aren't listening to the coaches.

What Charlie has sold has worked everywhere else. Same for Herman. If you replaced Patterson with Herman at TCU, they would still be beating Texas 2 out of every 3. There is nothing wrong with Herman as a coach. It's the culture of that program.

The other thing that tells me this is going on is the perception of UT players in NFL front offices. They're known to be among the softest players of any college program, dating to the 1990s. The DKR-Akers players were tough, guys like Nobis, Jerry Gray, McMichael, and Campbell. The players since Dodds took over have been mostly pretty soft. And, having lived in Austin, it's not hard to see how that could happen. The town treats that program like a pro team, and all doors are open to the players. My wife worked at a state agency and saw several players get jobs there, jobs for which they weren't really qualified.

So until the athletic department clamps down on that nonsense and starts hardening their players for the rigors of major competition, this will continue. Get whomsoever you want as HC, but this is not changing until the culture turns around. I almost think that Saban shied away from the UT job and that blank check because he knew the problems endemic to it. And he knew he couldn't fix them all without more and better support in the AD."
 
Some truth, some not so sure about like Strong doing well everywhere or specifically after leaving Texas. But overall very interesting perspective. What continues to baffle my mind is how in the world we beat Utah and Georgia. I mean even the old ‘they were not motivated’ excuse still blows me away we won because I question that ok if they weren’t motivated, why were we? Or better said why were we still able to beat them regardless considering our regular season play.
 
MajorRules00 said:
The culture around that program is so puffed up and self-congratulatory that the players don't believe they have to work and fight to excel in this game. There must be so many hangers-on, suckups, and $50 handshake men around the program that these boys think they've arrived the instant they step foot on campus.
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And yet it seems the message from the players is how hostile the environment is to them.

Of course, the full-ride seems to be such a commoditized stipulation (almost an insult because it's not more) that it merits no consideration at all when it comes to making demands AFTER the university has committed to THEM.
 
had to stop and laugh at the stupid remark that Charlie Strong has succeeded everywhere BUT Texas.
majorrules? come on, You are the tuber who wrote that aren't you?
 
MajorRules00 said:
The following post came from a viewer on You Tube. It's an outstanding analysis...

"This is a really odd situation. I'm not a UT fan, though I am involved in football in the state, so I have an outsider's perspective, and I think I can see the issue with that program. The last three coaches who've been in charge in Austin are all good coaches. Mack is a great coach. Not a good coach, a great coach. Merely good coaches don't win national titles, given how steep that mountain is. Mack was said to have lost it, yet here he is leading a top-tier program again at Carolina.

Charlie Strong has succeeded everywhere he's been. Except Austin. Tom Herman has succeeded everywhere he's been. Except Austin. Hell, he won a major bowl and spanked FSU and OU in consecutive games at Houston.

And yet, the narrative is that Strong and Herman forgot how to coach the minute they stepped off the plane in Travis County. I don't think so. I think that after Herman is dismissed, he will re-emerge at a smaller program and pick up where he left off at UH, just as Charlie has done. Mack has gone back to what is really a marginal program at UNC and made it a winner again.

That leaves the eternal question: why are these quality coaches doing so poorly at Texas?There is only one reason that seems plausible to me. The culture around that program is so puffed up and self-congratulatory that the players don't believe they have to work and fight to excel in this game. There must be so many hangers-on, suckups, and $50 handshake men around the program that these boys think they've arrived the instant they step foot on campus. And that culture must be so powerful and pervasive that it overrides the messages they're getting from even tough coaches like Strong.

Usually we see this thing at the pro level, where players often make more money and are far less expendable than coaches. It's rare in college, because most HCs are dictators in their respective programs. Nothing happens at Alabama that hasn't already been approved by Nick Saban, and the most highly touted five star couldn't cut a fart without his permission. Not so at Texas. These players--all of whom seem talented--are being told by forces outside the coaching staff that they don't really have to listen to these coaches. Because the fact is they aren't listening to the coaches.

What Charlie has sold has worked everywhere else. Same for Herman. If you replaced Patterson with Herman at TCU, they would still be beating Texas 2 out of every 3. There is nothing wrong with Herman as a coach. It's the culture of that program.

The other thing that tells me this is going on is the perception of UT players in NFL front offices. They're known to be among the softest players of any college program, dating to the 1990s. The DKR-Akers players were tough, guys like Nobis, Jerry Gray, McMichael, and Campbell. The players since Dodds took over have been mostly pretty soft. And, having lived in Austin, it's not hard to see how that could happen. The town treats that program like a pro team, and all doors are open to the players. My wife worked at a state agency and saw several players get jobs there, jobs for which they weren't really qualified.

So until the athletic department clamps down on that nonsense and starts hardening their players for the rigors of major competition, this will continue. Get whomsoever you want as HC, but this is not changing until the culture turns around. I almost think that Saban shied away from the UT job and that blank check because he knew the problems endemic to it. And he knew he couldn't fix them all without more and better support in the AD."
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This must have been written before Charlie imploded at USF
 
Horn6721 said:
had to stop and laugh at the stupid remark that Charlie Strong has succeeded everywhere BUT Texas.
majorrules? come on, You are the tuber who wrote that aren't you?
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Nope. And that's easily verifiable. It's also pretty easy to see that Charlie Strong isn't the point of his analysis.
 
Horn6721 said:
When one has such a obvious error it weakens everything that comes after it.
So verify it
who wrote and recorded it
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There is no such thing as a perfect argument. Especially when it comes to opinions. It sure seems like you're working hard to distract from the YT poster's main point. Namely, that the UT administration is the common factor for the problems we're facing.

So do you disagree with his point?
 
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Nope. And that's easily verifiable. It's also pretty easy to see that Charlie Strong isn't the point of his analysis.
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And yet Mack was able to dominate and win 10 games every year, win a NC and play for another under Dodds and in the "soft" environment of Austin.

Overrstated argument that we've heard before.
 
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And yet Mack was able to dominate and win 10 games every year, win a NC and play for another under Dodds and in the "soft" environment of Austin.

Overrstated argument that we've heard before.
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Ok. So you don't believe the environment is soft and cushy. Do you also disagree with the poster's main point: that the administration is the common factor during the past decade of woes?
 
The administration has changed both Presidents and Athletic Directors in the past ten years. So the current ones are not a common factor with the problems of the late Brown era, or the entire Strong era.

This "Austin is soft" theme, that I've seen since about 1995, is an excuse by apologists of bad coaches, to claim that while they are failing, it's not their fault, too many things to do in Austin. I've even seen 6th Street, back when it wasn't bum and hoodlum infested dump, blamed, as if other college towns don't have bars too.

As for the foolish article:
Mack is a great coach. Not a good coach, a great coach. Merely good coaches don't win national titles, given how steep that mountain is.

Lots of coaches that would not be considered great coaches have won NC - Phil Fulmer being one, Larry Coker from Miami 2001, coach at Auburn with Cam, even Jumbo Fisher won a title. Brown was a good coach overall, who started good (98-99), was outclassed by Stoops from 2000-2004, ran a great program from 2005-2009, then got foolish and tried to totally change the offensive philosophy in 2010 to a power run (?) game, from having been beaten by Alabama in the NC game. Sort of a Stockholm Syndrome there. Then from 2010 to 2013, a tired, lazy coach, who was coasting, burned out, and needed to retire but was too stubborn to admit he has lost what it took.

Mack was said to have lost it, yet here he is leading a top-tier program again at Carolina.

Now he's back at NC, doing well there, as such - he won't win any more games than he did during his coasting years at Texas but NC is fine with 8-4 seasons and it's a good fit for him - it's like a PGA player who goes to the Senior tour and starts winning, after years of not making the Saturday cut. Doesn't mean he's ready for the Masters again.

Charlie Strong has succeeded everywhere he's been.

Now this is just a lie. Dude was fired after three seasons at USF, each one being worse than the last (sound familar)? His era at Texas was the worst stretch of Texas football in history. He had 2 good years at Louisville, in a weak Big East Conference. He's not a good coach.

Except Austin. Tom Herman has succeeded everywhere he's been. Except Austin. Hell, he won a major bowl and spanked FSU and OU in consecutive games at Houston.

Herman's only other head coach job was at Houston. He had two decent seasons there, and a few good wins. They beat FSU in a bowl game one year, then OU the next season. Then went 5-3 in the AAC, hardly a powerhouse conference, and finished 3rd. I think Saban's place in college football history is safe.

The rest of the article isn't worth reading, due to the flaw of its basic premise - that Texas is a death valley where coaches wither and die.
 
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Duck Dodgers said:
He had 2 good years at Louisville, in a weak Big East Conference. He's not a good coach.
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Agreed, Duck.

Lamar Jackson made his reputation. Period. Look at Charlie's record without Lamar and tell me with a straight face he is a good head coach. I won't argue Charlie's bonafides as a DC, but as a head coach he got damned lucky to have an NFL caliber QB to torch the other teams in a weak conference.
 
Teddy Bridewater was a good QB, but if you discount records because of good players, you could say that about Vince and Mack, Lawrence and Dabo, various players and Saban, etc. Someone has to recruit them, and coach them as well.

Part of a coach's job is to get good players, so it's to their credit they have good players. However, over a period of time, if the only time a coach had good teams was with one superstar, then it is a knock on that coach. An example of that will be if Oregon at LSU returns to the national championship picture, or if it was a flash in the pan due to Burrow being such a great QB.
 
The correction from Lamar Jackson to Teddy B is accepted. My bad.

Did Charlie recruit Teddy? I thought he inherited him when he got the head job in Louisville.
 
Charlie sucked here. I am glad we cut bait and moved on but it is interesting that Saban quickly picked him up. Saban seems to know the guys who have failed in one spot but still have coaching talent- Kiffin, Locksley, Sark- remains to be seen what happens with Butch Jones and Strong.
 
? Not every good position coach is cut out to be a head coach. Strong is an example.
Too bad we didn't hire him as DC instead
 
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