Only 5 goddam players stayed in the field for the Eyes

[horninchicago]

I didn't know Strong was an analyst at Alabama now. Glad this is in West Mall so I can point out that I had to type "Charlie St" before Google pulled him up as a suggestion in my search.

Is Google racist?

 

[MajorRules00]

The administration has changed both Presidents and Athletic Directors in the past ten years. So the current ones are not a common factor with the problems of the late Brown era, or the entire Strong era.

This "Austin is soft" theme, that I've seen since about 1995, is an excuse by apologists of bad coaches, to claim that while they are failing, it's not their fault, too many things to do in Austin. I've even seen 6th Street, back when it wasn't bum and hoodlum infested dump, blamed, as if other college towns don't have bars too.

As for the foolish article:
Mack is a great coach. Not a good coach, a great coach. Merely good coaches don't win national titles, given how steep that mountain is.

Lots of coaches that would not be considered great coaches have won NC - Phil Fulmer being one, Larry Coker from Miami 2001, coach at Auburn with Cam, even Jumbo Fisher won a title. Brown was a good coach overall, who started good (98-99), was outclassed by Stoops from 2000-2004, ran a great program from 2005-2009, then got foolish and tried to totally change the offensive philosophy in 2010 to a power run (?) game, from having been beaten by Alabama in the NC game. Sort of a Stockholm Syndrome there. Then from 2010 to 2013, a tired, lazy coach, who was coasting, burned out, and needed to retire but was too stubborn to admit he has lost what it took.

Mack was said to have lost it, yet here he is leading a top-tier program again at Carolina.

Now he's back at NC, doing well there, as such - he won't win any more games than he did during his coasting years at Texas but NC is fine with 8-4 seasons and it's a good fit for him - it's like a PGA player who goes to the Senior tour and starts winning, after years of not making the Saturday cut. Doesn't mean he's ready for the Masters again.

Charlie Strong has succeeded everywhere he's been.

Now this is just a lie. Dude was fired after three seasons at USF, each one being worse than the last (sound familar)? His era at Texas was the worst stretch of Texas football in history. He had 2 good years at Louisville, in a weak Big East Conference. He's not a good coach.

Except Austin. Tom Herman has succeeded everywhere he's been. Except Austin. Hell, he won a major bowl and spanked FSU and OU in consecutive games at Houston.

Herman's only other head coach job was at Houston. He had two decent seasons there, and a few good wins. They beat FSU in a bowl game one year, then OU the next season. Then went 5-3 in the AAC, hardly a powerhouse conference, and finished 3rd. I think Saban's place in college football history is safe.

The rest of the article isn't worth reading, due to the flaw of its basic premise - that Texas is a death valley where coaches wither and die.

The premise of the post is that the administration is ruining the University. And has been doing that for the past ten years.

Most UT fans have been content to let this slide because, until now, the efforts to dismantle and destroy campus history/culture haven't touched the football program. But now it has. And it's getting worse by the day.

It's like having a house with a bad foundation. But instead of fixing the problem, the owner just keeps tearing down the structures on top...and replacing them with more costly materials. And, when deep cracks form after a couple of years, the owner tears it down again. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

It's understandable that people are scared to confront the real issue. And I get why there are so many diversionary responses.

But there's a reason why it doesn't matter who gets plugged into the coaching carousel. Just like it doesn't matter which empty suit gets plugged into the Presidency. The administration has, for the past several years, pursued a path of self-destruction; tearing down and reviling the history of the University at each opportunity. This behavior has remained constant. And it's the ultimate reason for what we're seeing on the field (or, to be more exact, not seeing).

There's a reason why Herman felt comfortable to castigate the football fans of UT. Just like there's a reason he felt comfortable singling out the white fans of the program. Did you see him publicly admonished for this? Did you hear his apology for these outrageous (and self-defeating) statements?

Don't hold your breath.

The reason why he felt comfortable saying those things is because that's the position of many people in the UT admin. And it has been for years. And until that changes, it won't matter who gets plugged into the carousel.

To be blunt: the culture of the campus isn't "soft". It's rotten. To the core. And it needs to be fixed ASAP.

 

[nashhorn]

In today’s culture it’s not going to be fixed. UT is a microcosm of what is happening in the USA.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

anybody else get the CDC email...." sorry guys, i just woke up from my nap. Something wrong?"

Not sure i believe the medical claims about his wife, but even if i did....really??? This has been an issue for weeks now but it just didn't make it onto his radar. come on man!!?

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

Here is what needs to happen....

Proclamation time: As long you are an athlete representing the whole University of Texas you will not express your personal political or social beliefs on campus or in UT attire of any sort. You are certainly allowed to support the causes that you personally feel are important but you will not do so in any manner that can be construed as representing the whole of UT. If you do so, you will forfeit your position on the team and you will immediately forfeit any future scholarship funds coming to you in any way.

 

[mb227]

Story on Yahoo sports that links to OB claiming that the edict has come down to TH that ALL players are expected to remain and stand for the singing of The Eyes.

Time will tell whether this is actually true...

 

[Musburger1]

Story on Yahoo sports that links to OB claiming that the edict has come down to TH that ALL players are expected to remain and stand for the singing of The Eyes.

Time will tell whether this is actually true...

Assuming its true, what will be the reaction when 75% of the players stand with their backs turned, or fist raised in the air with head down (John Carlos in 68 olympics)? You can command the players to do something, but until they've been re-educated to understand they've been hoodwinked by race baiters, its likely this is how it would play out.

 

[nashhorn]

Or quit in another fashion. Oh dear where are we heading?

 

[Monahorns]

I'm also not a fan of forced behavior either.

I would more go after the professor and his access to minority students.

I would want another professor or historian give the case for the Eyes being not racist. Then players could make a decision. If half the team sang with Horns up that would be so bad. What is bad is only Sam being there.

 

[Clean]

Orangebloods is reporting that Pres. Jay Hartzell, CDC and TH met with the Texas football team on Wednesday night to discuss the "Eyes of Texas" situation and the players were told to stand during the playing of the school song. Woo hoo! I guess the caca will hit the fan now.

 

[Horn6721]

If the players had a legitimate or even sorta legitimate reason WE ALL would be behind them and listen and try to fix it for them
I HATE that Herman and now this JJ poster are trying to make us the bad guys

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Orangebloods is reporting that Pres. Jay Hartzell, CDC and TH met with the Texas football team on Wednesday night to discuss the "Eyes of Texas" situation and the players were told to stand during the playing of the school song. Woo hoo! I guess the caca will hit the fan now.

Yeah, having the players out there isn't going to make anything better. At this point, all the fans know the players are there only because they are being forced to, and not because they want to be. This little fix is like trying to put a band-aid on a severed artery.

 

[nashhorn]

But it sends a message to them I think.

 

[mchammer]

But it sends a message to them I think.

It removes the bad faith element that says I don’t have to accept norms. If you truly don’t accept them, then leave.

 

[nashhorn]

I see it as more along the lines of - this is the way it is, deal with it, stand for now, show some respect, grow with it or find another alternative.

 

[horninchicago]

I find myself agreeing with errbody. Well, not quite.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

IMO, this does not go far enough. It is more than just not singing THE EYES. They should not be allowed to use their UT athlete platform to promote their personal politics. Off-campus, not representing UT....protest to your hearts content. On campus, or in an event that you are representing the university....NO POLITICAL STATEMENTS AT ALL!

 

[Horn6721]

Jj and that Boots person want to forget the snowflakes said in June they would not attend donor related events. They made their opinion of us pretty clear months ago.
Btw they black listed donor events ( pun intended) after Herman's ignorant inflammatory remarks

 

[Monahorns]

Yeah, having the players out there isn't going to make anything better. At this point, all the fans know the players are there only because they are being forced to, and not because they want to be. This little fix is like trying to put a band-aid on a severed artery.

What if the fans boo the players if they won't sing? This could get ugly.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

What if the fans boo the players if they won't sing? This could get ugly.

Even worse, Exes and alums turn their backs on the program and it suffers in silence

To be honest, I miss the program a lot less than I thought I would.. 57 years of Saturdays spent watching the Horns . When the SJW nonsense ran roughshod over our University's traditions, I was done. It's like you've been married for a long time but found out your wife was a murderer/ molester/ arsonist of schools... Pretty easy to sever the tie

 

[Clean]

Mike Finger has a column in the SA Express-News sports page about the UT admin stepping in to force the players to honor "The Eyes". He has some good points.

I'm paraphrasing; Finger says that people still have a romanticized notion about college football and its players that might have been true a long, long time ago. He goes on to say maybe at one point college players were amateurs who played for school pride, but that isn't the case anymore. Now college football players have to been pampered and recruited. They choose their college based on which one can give them exposure for potential NFL or business careers or which one has an offensive or defensive scheme that suits their skill set. Maybe a few, like Sam, do play for love of alma mater, but as this whole fiasco has proved, he's very much in the minority. For most of them, it's a "what can UT do for me" situation. Standing for "The Eyes" to them is an old tradition that they aren't connected to. In Finger's opinion, the players shouldn't be required to stay for "The Eyes" anymore than a history student should be required to attend a UT football game.

There's no disputing most of what he says. When I think about National Signing Days when we're begging for some big-bodied 18 year old to pick the UT cap instead of the Alabama or OU one, I have to agree. That said, when I see images of Sam standing out there all alone, it pisses me off to realize what a bunch of self-centered pricks most of our players are.

 

[Horn6721]

Maybe pride and tradition are buggy whips.

 

[Musburger1]

There just needs to be some consistency. For example, take the song Eyes for Texas. The words aren't racist, but the origin at the school had racist overtones. And blacks want no part of the song. Now lets look at football itself at the University of Texas. Football isn't a racist sport, but certainly football as it originated at the University of Texas was racist because blacks weren't allowed to play. By the same reasoning, black players shouldn't want to play for the University of Texas because of the racist past. So if the Eyes of Texas should be abolished because of its racist beginnings, shouldn't the football program be abolished for the same reason? Shouldn't it?

 

[Run Pincher]

There just needs to be some consistency. For example, take the song Eyes for Texas. The words aren't racist, but the origin at the school had racist overtones. And blacks want no part of the song. Now lets look at football itself at the University of Texas. Football isn't a racist sport, but certainly football as it originated at the University of Texas was racist because blacks weren't allowed to play. By the same reasoning, black players shouldn't want to play for the University of Texas because of the racist past. So if the Eyes of Texas should be abolished because of its racist beginnings, shouldn't the football program be abolished for the same reason? Shouldn't it?

You're asking these athletes to think for themselves and use logic. That's a tall order.

 

[Clean]

. So if the Eyes of Texas should be abolished because of its racist beginnings, shouldn't the football program be abolished for the same reason? Shouldn't it?

UT is practically without sin compared to Alabama, Ole Miss, and most of the SEC, where the top black players in country choose to go each year, overlooking their pasts because they want the benefit that comes from playing for a top flight program. You should lookout if you start abolishing programs for racism. You might wind up with Grambling playing Alcorn St. for the FBS championship.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

There just needs to be some consistency. For example, take the song Eyes for Texas. The words aren't racist, but the origin at the school had racist overtones. And blacks want no part of the song. Now lets look at football itself at the University of Texas. Football isn't a racist sport, but certainly football as it originated at the University of Texas was racist because blacks weren't allowed to play. By the same reasoning, black players shouldn't want to play for the University of Texas because of the racist past. So if the Eyes of Texas should be abolished because of its racist beginnings, shouldn't the football program be abolished for the same reason? Shouldn't it?

I cant believe I'm saying this, but this is what I've been alluding to for the past few weeks. Tell me one southern P5 school that doesn't have some type of racial issues back in the day. None of these athletes should be playing for any of them much less Texas...if thats the way they really feel.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

Mike Finger has a column in the SA Express-News sports page about the UT admin stepping in to force the players to honor "The Eyes". He has some good points.

I'm paraphrasing; Finger says that people still have a romanticized notion about college football and its players that might have been true a long, long time ago. He goes on to say maybe at one point college players were amateurs who played for school pride, but that isn't the case anymore. Now college football players have to been pampered and recruited. They choose their college based on which one can give them exposure for potential NFL or business careers or which one has an offensive or defensive scheme that suits their skill set. Maybe a few, like Sam, do play for love of alma mater, but as this whole fiasco has proved, he's very much in the minority. For most of them, it's a "what can UT do for me" situation. Standing for "The Eyes" to them is an old tradition that they aren't connected to. In Finger's opinion, the players shouldn't be required to stay for "The Eyes" anymore than a history student should be required to attend a UT football game.

There's no disputing most of what he says. When I think about National Signing Days when we're begging for some big-bodied 18 year old to pick the UT cap instead of the Alabama or OU one, I have to agree. That said, when I see images of Sam standing out there all alone, it pisses me off to realize what a bunch of self-centered pricks most of our players are.

This is very much the case and I for one think we should reclaim the relationship to STUDENT-Athlete. If i wanted to, i could watch pro-sports where the athletes are even more skilled, bigger, faster, etc. I don't watch the NFL because I don't care about that. I watch college ball because i care about the history, the rivalries, etc. The NCAA, the schools, and the fans have been making too many decisions about college sports (mostly B-Ball and F-ball) that put money as the foremost objective. We have almost destroyed what college sports were at one time. We've glitzed up the stadiums, jumbo-sized everything, created a carnival outside the gates and lined up sponsor after sponsor after sponsor....to generate revenue. Crazy thing is that it only generates actual revenue for a few people inside the circus. It doesn't typically generate revenue for the school. We need to make the admission criteria for college sports more about the STUDENT and less about the athlete in student-athlete. We need to dial the money-ball way back and get back to students representing their university. Let all the 5-star recruits that are just here for the NFL/NBA stepping-stone, go play ball in a minor league somewhere.