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@Mr. Deez


In fact, Trump has won more votes than GOP Senate candidates in almost every state.

Here are the vote totals (as of this afternoon, according to Decision Desk HQ) for GOP Senate candidates and Trump in the six states where the pre-election polls showed a competitive race for both the presidency and the Senate:

Michigan:

Trump: 2,640,185

James: 2,633,014



Arizona:

Trump: 1,402,431

McSally: 1,383,947



Georgia

Trump: 2,438,206:

Perdue: 2,439,193



North Carolina:

Trump: 2,732,084

Tillis: 2,640,381



Iowa:

Trump: 896,294

Ernst: 864,113



Texas:

Trump: 5,866,712

Cornyn: 5,931,119



The same pattern plays out in red states where polls only showed close Senate races (but ended up being blowouts):

Montana:

Trump: 320,682

Daines: 310,924



South Carolina:

Trump: 1,362,954

Graham: 1,347,167

In two blue states where incumbent Republican senators were running, one Republican lost while the other Republican won:

Colorado:

Trump: 1,305,460

Gardner: 1,367,685



Maine:

Trump: 356,182

Collins: 412,217

It’s not surprising that Susan Collins was the only Republican Senate candidate in the country to run far ahead of Trump. In 2008, she ran 40 points (on net) ahead of John McCain. In 2016, she’s running 19 points (on net) ahead of Trump.

You're not accounting for the fact that some voters only vote for president and are passive about other races. For example, it wouldn't shock me if Biden got more raw votes than the Democratic Senate candidates in those states as well. Looking at the percentages is more telling.
 
You're not accounting for the fact that some voters only vote for president and are passive about other races. For example, it wouldn't shock me if Biden got more raw votes than the Democratic Senate candidates in those states as well. Looking at the percentages is more telling.
Illogical. You are crossing parties as to how Dems voted. Still my point would stand there too. Biden can be credited for getting people to the polls too.
 
Perhaps I don't understand your point then.
Trump brought Republican voters to the polls. Doesn’t matter what the other side does. A fairer criticism would have been the down ballot GOP candidates brought Republicans to the polls (causation), but I don’t see that as being predominant.
 
Perhaps I don't understand your point then.
In WI, apparently there were 100k split tickets where the top was Biden or no preference and the bottom was cast for GOP house. This says 2 things: 1) Trump character turned off these voters, 2) Trump got folks to the polls to help down ballot candidates. Both can be true and not mutually exclusive
 
@Mr. Deez You claimed Trump would jeopardize down ballot races. Minus the dumb tweets, Trumpism is a winnable platform. Someone needs to add up his tweets since 2016 and how many votes he is down in PA. Unfortunately not all white professionals logically voted like you did. Assuming Trump loses before the Jan GA runoffs, I wonder how many Republicans who didn’t support Trump will go out and vote for GOP senators (since Trump is basically out).

 
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You're not accounting for the fact that some voters only vote for president and are passive about other races. For example, it wouldn't shock me if Biden got more raw votes than the Democratic Senate candidates in those states as well. Looking at the percentages is more telling.

There was some evidence of that as many "down ballot" numbers were lower for Democrats than what Biden picked up.
 
In WI, apparently there were 100k split tickets where the top was Biden or no preference and the bottom was cast for GOP house. This says 2 things: 1) Trump character turned off these voters, 2) Trump got folks to the polls to help down ballot candidates. Both can be true and not mutually exclusive

Two other factors that you miss. First, Trump likely turns some voters to ditch the GOP entirely (at least for the election at hand). Second, Trump undoubtedly gets many voters to the polls for Democrats. Biden got about 8 million more votes than Hillary Clinton. Do you think those people were just excited to vote for a 78 year old, uninspiring white guy? Obviously not. They were there to vote against someone.
 
Two other factors that you miss. First, Trump likely turns some voters to ditch the GOP entirely (at least for the election at hand). Second, Trump undoubtedly gets many voters to the polls for Democrats. Biden got about 8 million more votes than Hillary Clinton. Do you think those people were just excited to vote for a 78 year old, uninspiring white guy? Obviously not. They were there to vote against someone.
Not in dispute. It worked in 2016 and came within a hair in 2020. As a comparison, McCain and Romney not in same league.
 
You're not accounting for the fact that some voters only vote for president and are passive about other races. For example, it wouldn't shock me if Biden got more raw votes than the Democratic Senate candidates in those states as well. Looking at the percentages is more telling.

My wife threatened one of my sons that we wouldn't pay his rent (he's in college) if he didn't vote. He voted only for Andrew Yang (write-in) and nothing else.
 

I agree many professionals are turned off by Trump. But how much of this was influenced by the media brainwashing the professional class? And, when Trump is gone, these voters are going to feel smug but the next GOP candidate will likely lose again because the media will just find something else to alienate another segment of GOP voters. These Trump turncoats think their smart but they really got played by the Dem media. I applaud @Mr. Deez who is aware to see through the BS and vote for Trump.
 
Not in dispute. It worked in 2016 and came within a hair in 2020. As a comparison, McCain and Romney not in same league.

You assume that McCain and Romney are the only alternative to Trump. They aren't. You can run a more populist and inspiring campaign without Tweeting from the toilet and publicly undermining your own administration.
 
I agree many professionals are turned off by Trump. But how much of this was influenced by the media brainwashing the professional class?

Does that matter?

And, when Trump is gone, these voters are going to feel smug but the next GOP candidate will likely lose again because the media will just find something else to alienate another segment of GOP voters.

It isn't that simple, and this is part of the problem. Trump apologists like you use the media's bias ultimately to dodge responsibility for screwups. To you, because the media is unfair to Trump (and they are), it doesn't matter if Trump makes mistakes and therefore, they basically aren't mistakes.

As I've said countless times, the media's narratives don't operate in a vacuum for everybody. Yes, plenty of people will always defer to the media, but huge numbers of people do not. What a President does or says makes a difference to them, because it impacts the believability of the media's narratives.

Consider California. It went massively against Trump, but we're almost sure to pickup congressional seats. Furthermore, the Left suffered some pretty big defeats on ballot initiatives. Hell, they shot down affirmative action and ending cash bail in a state where wokeness is almost the official religion. I'm not suggesting that California could have been competitive at the presidential level if Trump had behaved a certain way. However, I'm suggesting that the media can't always set the agenda. How political figures behave and how they pitch their messages matters.

Remember, in the case of educated white voters, we're talking about people who were voting Republican just a few years ago. They can be won back, but you have to speak their language and appear competent.
 
My wife threatened one of my sons that we wouldn't pay his rent (he's in college) if he didn't vote. He voted only for Andrew Yang (write-in) and nothing else.

I laugh, because it's a funny story, but this is an example of an educated (or someone in pursuit of becoming educated) making a nuanced choice. If your son just followed the media, he would have voted for Biden. Instead, he voted for a guy who's ideologically ambiguous. Is Andrew Yang a liberal? I guess kinda sorta, but his most liberal idea was something he ripped off from Milton Friedman.
 
She has already shown that she's a terrible Presidential candidate. If Kamala is the Democratic nominee in 2024, it would be a GOP landslide.
If Trump loses this he will probably be back in 2024 to challenge her. Without the mail-in ballots in 4 years he will probably win again (if he runs)
 
I agree many professionals are turned off by Trump. But how much of this was influenced by the media brainwashing the professional class? And, when Trump is gone, these voters are going to feel smug but the next GOP candidate will likely lose again because the media will just find something else to alienate another segment of GOP voters. These Trump turncoats think their smart but they really got played by the Dem media. I applaud @Mr. Deez who is aware to see through the BS and vote for Trump.

I'm in my mid 60s. My generation had to work with and for many people with Trump's personality. While far from pleasant most of us dealt with it and moved on with our jobs

The following generations never could handle that approach and give a clear appearance of wanting to purge that type of influence in their lives. Given an opportunity to "reject" such a person seems to be a priority, and you don't need to be as brash nor as bluntly honest as Trump to get their attention.

Wussification took over at some point recently in the workplace. There's never room for a bully in the workplace. We always handled things ourselves (stood up to them, defended ourselves with factual data etc). The 40s and younger types seem to treat every aspect of their lives as if it were a season from The Survivor TV series. Don't like someone? Vote them off instead of being mature and working with them.

I know posters will disagree with the above, it's just an observation from 40 plus years in the office
 
I sure as **** hope he doesn't.
Me either. I'm just basing this theory on his ego and his inability to lose. I think he will leave office but will not concede the election. Setting him up for another run......maybe I'm wrong. Alot can change in 4 years.
 
Surprised they played Working Man by Rush at the football game. Clearly a Trump song.
 
I agree many professionals are turned off by Trump. But how much of this was influenced by the media brainwashing the professional class? And, when Trump is gone, these voters are going to feel smug but the next GOP candidate will likely lose again because the media will just find something else to alienate another segment of GOP voters. These Trump turncoats think their smart but they really got played by the Dem media. I applaud @Mr. Deez who is aware to see through the BS and vote for Trump.

If Trump's personality is what caused him to lose how did he win 2016? Like you said, white professionals watching CNN and other MSM sources had much more to do with it along with a few other issues.
 
Does that matter?
Yes, the brainwashing by the media is all that matters. I watched cbs news on election night. It was lie after lie. One host smeared The Villages in FL after it was obvious that Trump was going to win there, saying one Villages resident said white power in a Trump parade video. No context - it was obvious said sarcastically by the guy. Again the white professionals are too dumb to know that voting against Trump is enabling this ****. It will be something else in 2024.
 
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The media deliberately covering up for the Bidens altered the election as well. How could it not? They told everybody right there that they are nothing more than the media arm for the democrat party.
 
Talk about covering up. Can you imagine when someone tries to bring up Kamala’s background? Willie Brown better watch his back.
 
The Biden’s are equivalent to a somewhat unsavory used car salesman.
The Trumps to a full blown carnival with geeks biting off chicken heads and two headed calves and the like. Which one gets more views and thus fetches more ad revenue?

One is grubby and the other chaos.

headless body in topless bar headlines for four years now

biden is going to be boring. Dont know how cable news will survive. Or The NY Times
 

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