Next man/woman up ! or should I say OUT !.....

[Moooooo]

It's clear that a couple of posters on here have a Napoleon complex as it pertains to Baylor sports . . .

 

[HnH]

Meh. IMO conference championships are more important than what you do in a random single game elimination tournament outside of winning it all. So if a program doesn’t make the tournament for four straight years but barley gets into the tournament the 5th year and miraculously gets to the final four, you’d take that over winning the conference on a consistent basis? And Texas wasn’t close to being a bubble team at the end of the year this year.

Again, this is just my opinion and I respect that not everyone may share it.

For me it's about the big picture. Obviously no, I'm not just looking to scrape into the tournament and somehow get a lucky run to the F4 (besides, that almost never happens on the women's side). I do want to see the team (a) become a fixture in the national top 10, (b) consistently compete for conference championships, and (c) become a serious Final Four contender. I think all 3 of these goals are achieved together or not at all.

In a conference with multiple elite teams (especially like the Big 12 used to have) I wouldn't feel like we had to win it every year. Unfortunately, the Big 12 collectively has devolved in the past 8-10 years to the point where it didn't even have a 2nd team in the top 25 for the vast majority of the season.

Now that Baylor is the only team in the Big 12 that can remotely be described as elite, I understand that they're the immediate yardstick that many reach for. Obviously, if we can't even stay on the court with Baylor (which for the most part has been the case under KA), that doesn't bode well for our competitiveness in any other venue either.

But if I had to choose between a conference title and a national championship, give me the natty every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[kurupt]

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Again, this is just my opinion and I respect that not everyone may share it.

For me it's about the big picture. Obviously no, I'm not just looking to scrape into the tournament and somehow get a lucky run to the F4 (besides, that almost never happens on the women's side). I do want to see the team (a) become a fixture in the national top 10, (b) consistently compete for conference championships, and (c) become a serious Final Four contender. I think all 3 of these goals are achieved together or not at all.

In a conference with multiple elite teams (especially like the Big 12 used to have) I wouldn't feel like we had to win it every year. Unfortunately, the Big 12 collectively has devolved in the past 8-10 years to the point where it didn't even have a 2nd team in the top 25 for the vast majority of the season.

Now that Baylor is the only team in the Big 12 that can remotely be described as elite, I understand that they're the immediate yardstick that many reach for. Obviously, if we can't even stay on the court with Baylor (which for the most part has been the case under KA), that doesn't bode well for our competitiveness in any other venue either.

But if I had to choose between a conference title and a national championship, give me the natty every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

A national championship over a conference championships goes without saying just like I mentioned but I would gladly take winning the conference mediocre or not over making deep runs in the tournament and not winning anything. I think we put too much of an emphasis on the tournament at times. Especially in wbb when there’s only been a few different programs win over the last 30 to 40 years.

 

[brnkj]

Uh.. WTH does Baylor have to do with any damn thing when Oklahoma won the conference this year in football and basically wins it every year and same for Kansas in men’s basketball?

And no, women’s basketball is not a major college sport. Men’s football, basketball, and a non revenue sport in baseball are the major sports in college athletics. I’m worried about trying to beat Oklahoma and Kansas and really couldn’t care less with what Baylor is doing outside of wbb and that also includes volleyball in which Texas has won the conference every year for the most part for almost a decade and haven’t just had one great year.

Uhhh.. never mind. LOL

 

[brnkj]

Clearly there's a person on this board who attacks everyone that doesn't worship KA. Seems quite up close and personal to me.

 

[kurupt]

Uhhh.. never mind. LOL

Ok.

 

[Chris Drake]

Oh I see why you guys aren't winning now. CdC is making calls for yall. Center for disease control. I get it now he's trying to control the virus, in Texas.

 

[airtightskipole]

Oh I see why you guys aren't winning now. CdC is making calls for yall. Center for disease control. I get it now he's trying to control the virus, in Texas.

Wow. It takes a special kind of stupid to think that would be funny. How long did it take you to come up with that one?

 

[ViperHorn]

If he keeps her, he doesn't care about womens' basketball.... It's really that simple!!!

Bobcat you had a good response until this sentence. CdC revived TCU Women's Basketball and totally refocused Texas' Softball program with his hires. He gets that Aston's teams have bee falling short over the past couple of season, but he obviously hasn't found a better option.

 

[Bobcat]

Bobcat you had a good response until this sentence. CdC revived TCU Women's Basketball and totally refocused Texas' Softball program with his hires. He gets that Aston's teams have bee falling short over the past couple of season, but he obviously hasn't found a better option.

I totally agree that his hire of Pebley revived TCU womens' basketball, and the resurgence of Texas' womens' softball has been phenomenal. However, if what you say is true and he hasn't found a better option than Aston, then he OBVIOUSLY hasn't been LOOKING because there are numerous better options.....

 

[Moooooo]

I guess it's time for the FACTS again.

TCU had never made the NCAA tournament or won a conference title prior to 2000. Jeff Mittie accomplished both in his second season. He maintained HIS success of reaching the NCAA tourney just about every season for the next 10 years; then, struggled the next 5 seasons before his departure to KSU.

CDC hired Pebley in 2014; after 5 seasons, no NCAA tourney for TCU under Pebley's guidance, including a 9th place finish in her 3rd season. CDC hired a WORSE head coach than the departed Mittie. If there was a "revival" of TCU hoops under Pebley, it only took 6 seasons.


1996–97 13–14 7–9 (T-9th, T-5th in Mountain) Mike Petersen n/a
1997–98 13–15 4–10 (T-12th, T-6th in Pacific) Mike Petersen n/a
1998–99 16–12 7–7 (T-8th, T-4th in Mountain) Mike Petersen n/a
1999-00 16–14 7–7 (5th) Jeff Mittie n/a

2000–01 25–8 13–3 (1st) Jeff Mittie NCAA Second Round

2001–02 24–7 12–2 (1st) Jeff Mittie NCAA Second Round

2002–03 20–14 8–6 (T-5th) Jeff Mittie NCAA Second Round

2003–04 25–7 11–3 (2nd) Jeff Mittie NCAA Second Round

2004–05 23–10 10–4 (T-3rd) Jeff Mittie NCAA First Round

2005–06 19–12 11–5 (T-3rd) Jeff Mittie NCAA Second Round

2006–07 21–11 11–5 (T-2nd) Jeff Mittie NCAA First Round

2007–08 23–12 13–3 (2nd) Jeff Mittie WNIT Quarterfinal

2008–09 20–11 12–4 (3rd) Jeff Mittie NCAA First Round

2009–10 22–9 12–4 (1st) Jeff Mittie NCAA First Round
2010–11 22–11 13–3 (2nd) Jeff Mittie WNIT First Round
2011–12 16–14 9–5 (T-3rd) Jeff Mittie n/a
2012–13 9–21 2–16 (10th) Jeff Mittie n/a
2013–14 18–15 8–10 (7th) Jeff Mittie WNIT 1st Round
2014–15 18–14 9–9 (T-3rd) Raegan Pebley WNIT 2nd Round

2015–16 18–15 8–10 (T-6th) Raegan Pebley WNIT 3rd Round

2016–17 12–18 4–14 (9th) Raegan Pebley n/a

2017–18 23–13 9–9 (5th) Raegan Pebley WNIT Semifinals

2018–19 24–11 10–8 (5th) Raegan Pebley WNIT Semifinals

 

[brnkj]

My, my, my... aren't we insecure about the FACT that KA has been OUTCOACHED by those who have had far less talent... If said coaches had half the talent KA has had over the past couple of seasons they'd have done twice as more with it (at least) and would have swept us like a broom.

 

[Dionysus]

Oh I see why you guys aren't winning now. CdC is making calls for yall. Center for disease control. I get it now he's trying to control the virus, in Texas.

If you want to contribute to the conversation here, feel free to do so. If you just want to troll with comments like this, take it somewhere else.

 

[kurupt]

I guess it's time for the FACTS again.

TCU had never made the NCAA tournament or won a conference title prior to 2000. Jeff Mittie accomplished both in his second season. He maintained HIS success of reaching the NCAA tourney just about every season for the next 10 years; then, struggled the next 5 seasons before his departure to KSU.

CDC hired Pebley in 2014; after 5 seasons, no NCAA tourney for TCU under Pebley's guidance, including a 9th place finish in her 3rd season. CDC hired a WORSE head coach than the departed Mittie. If there was a "revival" of TCU hoops under Pebley, it only took 6 seasons.


1996–97 13–14 7–9 (T-9th, T-5th in Mountain) Mike Petersen n/a
1997–98 13–15 4–10 (T-12th, T-6th in Pacific) Mike Petersen n/a
1998–99 16–12 7–7 (T-8th, T-4th in Mountain) Mike Petersen n/a
1999-00 16–14 7–7 (5th) Jeff Mittie n/a

2000–01 25–8 13–3 (1st) Jeff Mittie NCAA Second Round

2001–02 24–7 12–2 (1st) Jeff Mittie NCAA Second Round

2002–03 20–14 8–6 (T-5th) Jeff Mittie NCAA Second Round

2003–04 25–7 11–3 (2nd) Jeff Mittie NCAA Second Round

2004–05 23–10 10–4 (T-3rd) Jeff Mittie NCAA First Round

2005–06 19–12 11–5 (T-3rd) Jeff Mittie NCAA Second Round

2006–07 21–11 11–5 (T-2nd) Jeff Mittie NCAA First Round

2007–08 23–12 13–3 (2nd) Jeff Mittie WNIT Quarterfinal

2008–09 20–11 12–4 (3rd) Jeff Mittie NCAA First Round

2009–10 22–9 12–4 (1st) Jeff Mittie NCAA First Round
2010–11 22–11 13–3 (2nd) Jeff Mittie WNIT First Round
2011–12 16–14 9–5 (T-3rd) Jeff Mittie n/a
2012–13 9–21 2–16 (10th) Jeff Mittie n/a
2013–14 18–15 8–10 (7th) Jeff Mittie WNIT 1st Round
2014–15 18–14 9–9 (T-3rd) Raegan Pebley WNIT 2nd Round

2015–16 18–15 8–10 (T-6th) Raegan Pebley WNIT 3rd Round

2016–17 12–18 4–14 (9th) Raegan Pebley n/a

2017–18 23–13 9–9 (5th) Raegan Pebley WNIT Semifinals

2018–19 24–11 10–8 (5th) Raegan Pebley WNIT Semifinals

Right. So you want to hire a coach that probably should’ve already been fired after 5 years of mediocrity, but you also want to get rid of a coach because of two years of average play by HER standards? I find it very laughable that the most out spoken critics of Coach Aston on here would be so obsessed over a coach that has been horrible at here respective school. I don’t want to hear the nonsense about how she would do better if she had the same talent, recruiting is apart of being a coach. And Pebley is literally smack dab in the middle of probably the best recruiting area in the entire country with beautiful facilities and still can’t recruit well.

By the way, let’s not forget that she had a couple of highly touted players like Amber Ramirez that ended up transferring and Aj Alex that could’ve decided to play another year for Pebley but choose to transfer and finish her career at Florida St. a couple of years ago. I would much rather have a coach like the one at Gonzaga that’s actually done something.

 

[utfannforlife]

Both things can be true, Aston can both be under performing vs the expectations at Texas and also be a vastly better option than Reagan Peebly. IDK why we've even devoted so much time to the comparison. I get that TCU had a flash in the pan this year (with a bunch of seniors) but as a whole, the two coaches are not even close.

 

[kurupt]

Both things can be true, Aston can both be under performing vs the expectations at Texas and also be a vastly better option than Reagan Peebly. IDK why we've even devoted so much time to the comparison. I get that TCU had a flash in the pan this year (with a bunch of seniors) but as a whole, the two coaches are not even close.

And let’s be clear. The expectations at Texas are only what they are because Coach Aston set them.

 

[Moooooo]

Personally I like Marlene Stallings at Tech and Regan Pebley at TCU. The guy at Kansas is a really good coach, just has nothing to work with. Thoughts anyone???

 

[brnkj]

I never said that neither Pebley nor Stollings could be more successful at Texas... they may not have the recruiting success that KA has HAD, just as they haven't had KA's recruiting success at their current respective universities. But both are hella better at X's and O's and coaching up what they have to work with. Can't say the same about Aston...aka Holly II.

 

[kurupt]

And let’s be clear. The expectations at Texas are only what they are because Coach Aston set them.

And since the 2 loudest critics think this is funny prove me wrong. Who set the high and some might even say unrealistic expectations that Texas women’s basketball has right now as we speak?

 

[brnkj]

 

[kurupt]

And since the 2 loudest critics think this is funny prove me wrong. Who set the high and some might even say unrealistic expectations that Texas women’s basketball has right now as we speak?

Still no response I see, not surprised when them facts hit.

 

[kurupt]

The reaction when that new contract is reported.

 

[brnkj]

The reaction when that new contract is reported.

Yes, you're right. The same reaction after we lose when we've been OUTCOACHED by teams with far less talent -- (Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, West Virginia, Hawaii, Arizona). At least most of us on this board are consistent with our perspectives and opinions -- even if we vehemently disagree. It's rather cowardly to flip back and forth... Don't ya think?

 

[brnkj]

And since the 2 loudest critics think this is funny prove me wrong. Who set the high and some might even say unrealistic expectations that Texas women’s basketball has right now as we speak?

KA set the high expectations when she had 10 McDonald's HS All-Americans on her roster a few years ago... expectations that have never been met and have since been muted with her progressive failures.

 

[kurupt]

Yes, you're right. The same reaction after we lose when we've been OUTCOACHED by teams with far less talent -- (Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, West Virginia, Hawaii, Arizona). At least most of us on this board are consistent with our perspectives and opinions -- even if we vehemently disagree. It's rather cowardly to flip back and forth... Don't ya think?

Nope, it’s rather smart when you’re an adult and can look at things realistically. I can sit here and throw temper tantrums all day like you and a couple others or look like a hypocrite like you and want to get rid of a coach because of 2 down years by HER standards but at the same time want to bring in a coach that’s been horrible for 5 plus years at another school. Make it make sense.

 

[kurupt]

KA set the high expectations when she had 10 McDonald's HS All-Americans on her roster a few years ago... expectations that have never been met and have since been muted with her progressive failures.

So you’re saying she set the standard/expectations? OK.

 

[Moooooo]

At least most of us on this board are consistent with our perspectives and opinions -- even if we vehemently disagree. It's rather cowardly to flip back and forth... Don't ya think?

Actually, you are the most INCONSISTENT (fickle, even) poster on here.

You state over and over that you want a head coach who can beat Baylor, win conference championships, coach good offense, recruit elite talent, and advance far in the NCAA tournament.

Then, you lobby for head coaches like Raegan Pebley, Brandon Schneider, and Marlene Stallings even though they don't meet a single one of those criteria. LMAO

 

[Moooooo]

I can sit here and throw temper tantrums all day like you and a couple others or look like a hypocrite like you and want to get rid of a coach because of 2 down years by HER standards but at the same time want to bring in a coach that’s been horrible for 5 plus years at another school. Make it make sense.

 

[kurupt]

Actually, you are the most INCONSISTENT (fickle, even) poster on here.

You state over and over that you want a head coach who can beat Baylor, win conference championships, coach good offense, recruit elite talent, and advance far in the NCAA tournament.

Then, you lobby for head coaches like Raegan Pebley, Brandon Schneider, and Marlene Stallings even though they don't meet a single one of those criteria. LMAO

Make it make sense.

 

[Moooooo]

KA set the high expectations when she had 10 McDonald's HS All-Americans on her roster a few years ago . . ..