Next man/woman up ! or should I say OUT !.....

[HnH]

If you’re a coach worried about what the AD might do and about not getting another contract I don’t think you use the words anticipating or my program.

We shall see. I've seen coaches in similar situations make similar statements before getting canned. Not saying that's definitely the case here. Just saying this doesn't reveal that much.

 

[kurupt]

We shall see. I've seen coaches in similar situations make similar statements before getting canned. Not saying that's definitely the case here. Just saying this doesn't reveal that much.

I think it pretty much tells you everything you need to know.

 

[Bobcat]

As I said earlier, it's out of our hands, period... If CDC is satisfied with mediocrity, then that tells us that everything he said about being a top 10 program and competing for championships was simply not true!!! He is taking a big risk, because if she can't turn this thing around (which I highly doubt she can), he will have more egg on his face for a terrible decision. It won't change my life one way or the other, because as someone just said, we have FIVE McDONALD'S All Americans and aren't even in the top 25.to 35 teams in the entire nation... We are already irrelevant when it comes to being even close to elite~~~

 

[kurupt]

As I said earlier, it's out of our hands, period... If CDC is satisfied with mediocrity, then that tells us that everything he said about being a top 10 program and competing for championships was simply not true!!! He is taking a big risk, because if she can't turn this thing around (which I highly doubt she can), he will have more egg on his face for a terrible decision. It won't change my life one way or the other, because as someone just said, we have FIVE McDONALD'S All Americans and aren't even in the top 25.to 35 teams in the entire nation... We are already irrelevant when it comes to being even close to elite~~~

IMO Decisions already made.

 

[zztx1]

Raegan Pebley is a likely target. Would she fit here?

 

[kurupt]

Raegan Pebley is a likely target. Would she fit here?

That’s okay. We can find someone better if it comes to that.

 

[brnkj]

Raegan Pebley is a likely target. Would she fit here?

"Fit?" I don't know what your definition of that word is, but one thing she has proven is that she can coach players up to their full potential. That "fits" well enough for me, as it's a sharp contrast to what we have now.

Personally, I'd rather see someone do more with less, than to watch talent destroyed and wasted the way KA has done. Ultimately I think true fans of UT and its programs would all rather see someone who can do both -- recruit AND coach.

 

[kurupt]

"Fit?" I don't know what your definition of that word is, but one thing she has proven is that she can coach players up to their full potential. That "fits" well enough for me, as it's a sharp contrast to what we have now.

Personally, I'd rather see someone do more with less, than to watch talent destroyed and wasted the way KA has done. Ultimately I think true fans of UT and its programs would all rather see someone who can do both -- recruit AND coach.

Who did she destroy?

 

[kurupt]

As I said earlier, it's out of our hands, period... If CDC is satisfied with mediocrity, then that tells us that everything he said about being a top 10 program and competing for championships was simply not true!!! He is taking a big risk, because if she can't turn this thing around (which I highly doubt she can), he will have more egg on his face for a terrible decision. It won't change my life one way or the other, because as someone just said, we have FIVE McDONALD'S All Americans and aren't even in the top 25.to 35 teams in the entire nation... We are already irrelevant when it comes to being even close to elite~~~

I've also stated numerous times that his handling of Angela Kelly who was in the same exact situation as Aston but had an even worse year gives us a pretty good indication of what he's going to do.

When you extend the contract of literally the least successful coach in the entire women’s side of the athletic department it should already tell you everything you need to know. Like I said, imo she’ll be the coach next your.

 

[Moooooo]

I've also stated numerous times that his handling of Angela Kelly who was in the same exact situation as Aston but had an even worse year gives us a pretty good indication of what he's going to do.

When you extend the contract of literally the least successful coach in the entire women’s side of the athletic department it should already tell you everything you need to know. Like I said, imo she’ll be the coach next your.

That was Plonsky's decision to extend Kelly as CDC was not at Texas yet.. CDC opted not to extend Connie Clark.

 

[brnkj]

As I said earlier, it's out of our hands, period... If CDC is satisfied with mediocrity, then that tells us that everything he said about being a top 10 program and competing for championships was simply not true!!! He is taking a big risk, because if she can't turn this thing around (which I highly doubt she can), he will have more egg on his face for a terrible decision. It won't change my life one way or the other, because as someone just said, we have FIVE McDONALD'S All Americans and aren't even in the top 25.to 35 teams in the entire nation... We are already irrelevant when it comes to being even close to elite~~~

Well, as an AD responsible for all athletic programs, if CdC doesn't want to continue playing second fiddle to Baylor and also risk falling further to the point of not even being second fiddle... he'd be wise to start making some changes. What more perfect time than to part ways with an underachieving coach who has an expiring contract?

I know several people, who have been season ticket holders for years, and they have said emphatically they won't renew if KA is retained. A couple of others I know have already given up their season tickets and are anticipating purchasing again if KA is not retained.


Are these people anomalies or a cross section representative of a bigger picture? Obviously I don't have that answer, but it does make one wonder. I'd hate to see a beautiful, new, state-of-the-art arena with an average home attendance of about 500 for WBB games.

 

[kurupt]

Well, as an AD responsible for all athletic programs, if CdC doesn't want to continue playing second fiddle to Baylor and also risk falling further to the point of not even being second fiddle... he'd be wise to start making some changes. What more perfect time than to part ways with an underachieving coach who has an expiring contract?

I know several people, who have been season ticket holders for years, and they have said emphatically they won't renew if KA is retained. A couple of others I know have already given up their season tickets and are anticipating purchasing again if KA is not retained.


Are these people anomalies or a cross section representative of a bigger picture? Obviously I don't have that answer, but it does make one wonder. I'd hate to see a beautiful, new, state-of-the-art arena with an average home attendance of about 500 for WBB games.

EVERYBODY has been playing second fiddle to Baylor. Didn’t they just end an almost 60 game winning streak within the conference and have won 6 or 7 conference championships and numerous tournament championships in a row? And I guarantee you that Julia Hickman and her husband aren’t the season ticket holders you’re referring to.
Largest one-time, future gift in Texas Athletics history - University of Texas Athletics

 

[kurupt]

That was Plonsky's decision to extend Kelly as CDC was not at Texas yet.. CDC opted not to extend Connie Clark.

It stated that she got a extension or raise this past season, CDC has been at Texas for what 2 or 3 years? Even if it was just a raise it still speaks volumes.
Texas Longhorns AD Chris Del Conte set to receive contract extension worth $18 million through 2027

 

[brnkj]

EVERYBODY has been playing second fiddle to Baylor. Didn’t they just end an almost 60 game winning streak within the conference and have won 6 or 7 conference championships and numerous tournament championships in a row. And I guarantee you that Julia Hickman and her husband aren’t the season ticket holders you’re referring to.

I was making reference to playing second fiddle across the board in ALL athletic programs, not just WBB. And no, Julia and Cecil are not who I was referring to. Lovely people BTW... and fun to be around, too!

 

[kurupt]

I was making reference to playing second fiddle across the board in ALL athletic programs, not just WBB. And no, Julia and Cecil are not who I was referring to. Lovely people BTW... and fun to be around, too!

Texas isn’t playing second fiddle in all athletic programs though. And I brought those season ticket holders because in reality they’re really the ones that matter.

 

[Bobcat]

EVERYBODY has been playing second fiddle to Baylor. Didn’t they just end an almost 60 game winning streak within the conference and have won 6 or 7 conference championships and numerous tournament championships in a row. And I guarantee you that Julia Hickman and her husband aren’t the season ticket holders you’re referring to.[/QUO

Texas isn’t playing second fiddle in all athletic programs though. And I brought those season ticket holders because in reality they’re really the ones that matter.

Julia and Cecil are indeed lovely people, and while they are obviously huge donors and have been dedicated to womens' sports for a long time, not only EVERY single season ticketholder, but every fan who makes the effort to attend and support Texas WBB matters (or should) . What a sad state of affairs it would be to think that so many others who have dedicated their time, energy and money to being such, aren't valued and appreciated.......

 

[kurupt]

Julia and Cecil are indeed lovely people, and while they are obviously huge donors and have been dedicated to womens' sports for a long time, not only EVERY single season ticketholder, but every fan who makes the effort to attend and support Texas WBB matters (or should) . What a sad state of affairs it would be to think that so many others who have dedicated their time, energy and money to being such, aren't valued and appreciated.......

I didn’t say they weren’t. But if you don’t think people giving those kinds of amounts of money to the university aren’t valued more than the regular season ticket holders you’re kidding yourself. That’s like saying Red McCombs or Frank Denius weren’t looked at differently or valued more than the regular football season ticket holder.

 

[Bobcat]

I didn’t say they weren’t. But if you don’t think people giving those kinds of amounts of money to the university aren’t valued more than the regular season ticket holders you’re kidding yourself. That’s like saying Red McCombs or Frank Denius weren’t looked at differently or valued more than the regular football season ticket holder.

I NEVER said they weren't valued MORE than other season ticketholders. NOT ONCE... When you give that kind of money of course you are obviously more prominent. However, you DID say that they were "really the ones that matter", which absolutely implies that no one else does. You're the one who named names and brought them up, and while they are obviously the biggest donors, they ARE NOT the only ones that should matter...... Perhaps if Texas WBB had a little different approach, they could have more than an embarrassing 500 at a game.....

 

[brnkj]

Texas isn’t playing second fiddle in all athletic programs though. And I brought those season ticket holders because in reality they’re really the ones that matter.

In the major sports of football, men's basketball, women's basketball... Yes, Baylor is currently in a better position. Additionally, they've pulled even with us in volleyball recently. That's second fiddle.

 

[Bobcat]

I didn’t say they weren’t. But if you don’t think people giving those kinds of amounts of money to the university aren’t valued more than the regular season ticket holders you’re kidding yourself. That’s like saying Red McCombs or Frank Denius weren’t looked at differently or valued more than the regular football season ticket holder.

OH....and I might add that IMO the biggest contribution Julia and Cecil have given is with their time, loyalty and dedication to Texas WBB. They have done it tirelessly for years and I for one admire and appreciate them for THAT.

 

[brnkj]

OH....and I might add that IMO the biggest contribution Julia and Cecil have given is with their time, loyalty and dedication to Texas WBB. They have done it tirelessly for years and I for one admire and appreciate them for that.

Absolutely!

 

[kurupt]

In the major sports of football, men's basketball, women's basketball... Yes, Baylor is currently in a better position. Additionally, they've pulled even with us in volleyball as well. That's second fiddle.

The only major sports are Men’s football and basketball. And why would you mention Baylor when they didn’t even win the conference in either of those sports? And with Baylor’s volleyball program, one year is not a trend.

 

[kurupt]

I NEVER said they weren't valued MORE than other season ticketholders. NOT ONCE... When you give that kind of money of course you are obviously more prominent. However, you DID say that they were "really the ones that matter", which absolutely implies that no one else does. You're the one who named names and brought them up, and while they are obviously the biggest donors, they ARE NOT the only ones that should matter...... Perhaps if Texas WBB had a little different approach, they could have more than an embarrassing 500 at a game.....

They’re the only fans that might have the ability to persuade the Athletic department to fire or to keep a coach since that’s basically the conversation that we’ve had on here since the season started with Coach Aston. A few regular fans not renewing their season ticket sure isn’t going to do it. Which is what I mean when I say that they’re the only ones that matter. You may not like it but those are the facts.

 

[Bobcat]

They’re the only fans that might have the ability to persuade the Athletic department to fire or to keep a coach since that’s basically the conversation that we’ve had on here since the season started with Coach Aston. A few regular fans not renewing their season ticket sure isn’t going to do it. Which is what I mean when I say that they’re the only ones that matter. You may not like it but those are the facts.

Of course they have powerful leverage and again, since you can't read and comprehend, I was never referring to any "pull or power" other season ticketholders would have, but merely that EVERY SINGLE FAN should be valued. As I have stated several times, it is out of our hands as fans. CDC will make that decision or perhaps he already has. What I can promise you is that if Aston is retained, unless you see a huge improvement in the product put on the floor (which I highly doubt based on her performance as a coach thus far), attendance will continue to suffer and embarrassingly so....as she takes us further down the path of insignificance...

 

[zztx1]

Coach Aston does tend to get the best out of bench players. We have many examples of that. The question is why not the McDonald All Americans. I think the high school ranking system in womens bb may be very erratic. Some hs teams play no competition. We had the Cali hs leading scorer for 2 years and she had trouble making baskets. Aston didn't tell her to shoot lousy shots. So maybe it is recruiting too. Baylor's players are really good across the board. UConn had Collier committed and she has turned into a great player. If our other big were on Mulkey's team she would have been terrific or just solid but not up to her potential. It is really hard to identify the problem here because it looked so promising the first couple of years.

 

[kurupt]

Of course they have powerful leverage and again, since you can't read and comprehend, I was never referring to any "pull or power" other season ticketholders would have, but merely that EVERY SINGLE FAN should be valued. As I have stated several times, it is out of our hands as fans. CDC will make that decision or perhaps he already has. What I can promise you is that if Aston is retained, unless you see a huge improvement in the product put on the floor (which I highly doubt based on her performance as a coach thus far), attendance will continue to suffer and embarrassingly so....as she takes us further down the path of insignificance...

I can clearly read and comprehend and you were the one crying and making a big deal because I said they’re really the only fans that matter so maybe you can’t read and comprehend. And who cares about attendance for women’s basketball? Every wbb program loses money for the athletic department. And the fact of the matter is that when Coach Aston was winning just two short years ago she couldn’t get anyone to come to the games.

 

[brnkj]

The only major sports are Men’s football and basketball. And why would you mention Baylor when they didn’t even win the conference in either of those sports? And with Baylor’s volleyball program, one year is not a trend.

They had better seasons than we did...
*FB 11-3 def. us 24-10
*MBB 26-4 def. us twice
*WBB no need to explain
*Volleyball 29-2 final four

Hence, CdC's major sports are trailing BU. And yes, WBB is a major sport... the highest profile sport amongst women's NCAA athletics anyway. You must be confusing the term "major" with most revenue-generating... the two are not necessarily always mutually inclusive. It goes further than generating revenue... as a lot of women's programs don't generate a whole lot of revenue. It's about getting folks in the seats, as recruits like the idea of playing in front a crowds and feeling appreciated for their skills.

One thing I HATE is for "Jerusalem on the Brazos" to beat us at ANYTHING, and right now we're losing to them in all of the biggest sports. Time for CdC to take steps towards changing that.

 

[kurupt]

They had better seasons than we did...
*FB 11-3 def. us 24-10
*MBB 26-4 def. us twice
*WBB no need to explain
*Volleyball 29-2 final four

Hence, CdC's major sports are trailing BU. And yes, WBB is a major sport... the highest profile sport amongst women's NCAA athletics anyway. You must be confusing the term "major" with most revenue-generating... the two are not necessarily always mutually inclusive.

One thing I HATE is for "Jerusalem on the Brazos" to beat us at ANYTHING, and right now we're losing to them in all of the biggest sports. Time for CdC to take steps towards changing that.

Uh.. WTH does Baylor have to do with any damn thing when Oklahoma won the conference this year in football and basically wins it every year and same for Kansas in men’s basketball?

And no, women’s basketball is not a major college sport. Men’s football, basketball, and a non revenue sport in baseball are the major sports in college athletics. I’m worried about trying to beat Oklahoma and Kansas and really couldn’t care less with what Baylor is doing outside of wbb and that also includes volleyball in which Texas has won the conference every year for the most part for almost a decade and haven’t just had one great year.

 

[HnH]

For me personally, this isn't really all about Baylor. Let's say Baylor were in a different conference and UT had been winning some conference titles in a mediocre Big 12 in the past several years, yet still declining from a Sweet 16/Elite 8 caliber team 3-4 years ago to a bubble team like we were this year. It would still be time to make a change IMO.

I understand why people fixate on our lack of competitiveness with Baylor because, like it or not, they are the clear standard-setter in our neighborhood and the most frequent reminder of what we are not. But for me this is about competitiveness on a national level as opposed to comparing ourselves to any single team.

 

[kurupt]

For me personally, this isn't really all about Baylor. Let's say Baylor were in a different conference and UT had been winning some conference titles in a mediocre Big 12 in the past several years, yet still declining from a Sweet 16/Elite 8 caliber team 3-4 years ago to a bubble team like we were this year. It would still be time to make a change IMO.

I understand why people fixate on our lack of competitiveness with Baylor because, like it or not, they are the clear standard-setter in our neighborhood and the most frequent reminder of what we are not. But for me this is about competitiveness on a national level as opposed to comparing ourselves to any single team.

Meh. IMO conference championships are more important than what you do in a random single game elimination tournament outside of winning it all. So if a program doesn’t make the tournament for four straight years but barley gets into the tournament the 5th year and miraculously gets to the final four, you’d take that over winning the conference on a consistent basis? And Texas wasn’t close to being a bubble team at the end of the year this year.