It's time

[Mr. Fiesta]

By the way, you call Bundy racist. Did you read his comments on any other site besides the nytimes or msnbc? Read the full context of his statements before throwing names out (again).

 

[pasotex]

context? seriously?

 

[Seattle Husker]

I have to agree paso. His context was that an entire race was "lazy" and were better off when they had a slavemaster forcing them to pick cotton. The reason all but a few of the RW media are jumping off the Bundy train is because there is no appropriate "context" for his views. Any way you look at it he's racist, and I don't say that lightly.

You know, he'd have been better off simply pointing out the welfare class, regardless of race...but he didn't. He didn't acknowledge a substantial caucasion population that is in the same situation as "the negro" he pointed out. The fact that he sees it as a racial issue and not a class issue is why he's a racist. His analogy to slaving times simply reinforced his racist status.

Back to the original issue, he's a welfare recipient himself yet doesn't directly receive a check from the government. He simply profits from the use of raw materials that don't belong to him. There is no dispute on that. Anywhere someone is using US taxpayer land to profit the government should do everything within their power to halt it or profit from it. It's that "profit" that limits the tax exposure for you and I.

 

[Hu_Fan]

Here's an interesting perspective. Happens to contain the same map I found elsewhere. The writing is worth the 10 or 15 min it takes to read.
A reminder just how "the West was Won," and that it was as much about building an empire than creating a country of the people, for the people, and by the people. More like... well... the piece alludes to whatever comes to mind.

Found it when doing research at Mises website for the writer that employees me -- good stuff in some of their "Dailies."

The last section of the short piece... from Mises Institute... Daily (posts)
Ranchers and Empire in the American West
by Ryan McMaken, Mises Daily Editor

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[Monahorns]

I read a book called "American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America" which describes many of the same things. The Mountain West is an area that the Federal Gov. has dominated for some time now to the benefit mainly to the American pioneers. Huge infrastructure projects financed by the government and large corporations set the tone for how inhabitants few themselves today. Basically, they want the benefits of the outside investment while at the same time want to be autonomous from the government. It is an illogical perspective and one that seems to fit the Cliven Bundy story. I feel bad for the guy in some ways. His way of life is being ended essentially. However, his way of life was built on the back of other tax payers. One problem is that the Federal Government owns so much of the in the West because it really isn't worth much and no one else has any use to buy it. Even Bundy doesn't want to own the land. He can't afford to buy it for the way he would want to use it.