Mr. Fiesta
1,000+ Posts
I think so.
pasotex
2,500+ Posts
Did you read my link or are you just going to continue on your goofy rant about solar power?
This has zero to do with Bundy. You guys live in such a bizarre, paranoid universe it is difficult to even discern what you are claiming.
The original claim was that the Bundy land was going to be used for some Chinese solar project. This was false. This land has nothing to do with any solar project in Nevada (read the link).
This has zero to do with Bundy. You guys live in such a bizarre, paranoid universe it is difficult to even discern what you are claiming.
The original claim was that the Bundy land was going to be used for some Chinese solar project. This was false. This land has nothing to do with any solar project in Nevada (read the link).
Mr. Fiesta
1,000+ Posts
I was pointing out there was a solar company on public land since you didn't think there was. Then just showing how dirty harry has his hand out for the rest of the deals going on. Try to keep up. So, the harry-Chinese connection wasn't a "lie" as you stated, the deal just didn't close. We know now it wasn't really close to where Bundy grazed his cattle. However....
pasotex
2,500+ Posts
What do you know, more paranoid, irrelevant bizarre **** completely rebutted by my link that I am positive you have not read ...
I am absolutely shocked that there might be some solar projects in Nevada. Next you might tell me that there are some in California or even Arizona.
I am absolutely shocked that there might be some solar projects in Nevada. Next you might tell me that there are some in California or even Arizona.
Holy crap, this is a stupid discussion. First, I sympathize with states whose land is almost entirely owned by the federal government. That's a crock, and some of that land should be sold off. Second, I don't doubt that Harry Reid is involved in sleazy deals - maybe or maybe not involving the land at issue. He's a powerful politician with a lot of campaign cash. That doesn't happen without sleazy, insider deals. (Ask Rick Perry.) Why else would rich guys donate to politicians?
However, both of those issues are wholly-******* irrelevant to this wingnut in Nevada. The government could sell off every acre of land it owns in Nevada, and Harry Reid could be straight as a grizzly's dick, and this guy would still be a thief with a judgment rendered against him that should be collected with whatever means the government has at its disposal. The guy needs to pay his judgment (and should have paid it years ago), and if he refuses, his land and his cattle should be seized, and he should go to jail for contempt. He's not a patriot. He's a greedy turd. F him.
However, both of those issues are wholly-******* irrelevant to this wingnut in Nevada. The government could sell off every acre of land it owns in Nevada, and Harry Reid could be straight as a grizzly's dick, and this guy would still be a thief with a judgment rendered against him that should be collected with whatever means the government has at its disposal. The guy needs to pay his judgment (and should have paid it years ago), and if he refuses, his land and his cattle should be seized, and he should go to jail for contempt. He's not a patriot. He's a greedy turd. F him.
Mr. Fiesta
1,000+ Posts
The question arose of why Bundy was suddenly targeted to which I gave my opinion. I admit I got carried away with my dislike for dirty harry but it was said that the Chinese connection was a lie, which it wasn't. Deez, it's a good thing that you are so knowledgeable about the proceedings and history of this case as to find him guilty. I'll try to follow your lead from now on since you appear to be all-knowing about everything.
Chango, you just keep doing what the government tells you to do, everything will be okay in your little world.
pasotex
2,500+ Posts
A slight correction or clarification on what Deez posted. Bundy owes the federal government around $1.2 million. The cattle roundup was being done pursuant to a court order not to collect this amount, but rather because his cattle are trespassing on two different parcels of land (mostly owned by the BLM but some of which is part of Lake Meade).
CanaTigers
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CanaTigers
2,500+ Posts
Again
to Cana's point why is this particular section of Federal land in Clark county so critical to the desert tortoise when other large sections of Federal land in the same county get sold to Reid donors who then destroy the natural habibat including tortoise mounds for a golf course ?
anyone who thinks killing Bundy's cattle was ok, why aren't you also asking by Coyote Springs was allowed?
to Cana's point why is this particular section of Federal land in Clark county so critical to the desert tortoise when other large sections of Federal land in the same county get sold to Reid donors who then destroy the natural habibat including tortoise mounds for a golf course ?
anyone who thinks killing Bundy's cattle was ok, why aren't you also asking by Coyote Springs was allowed?
pasotex
2,500+ Posts
They did not kill his cattle. Where did you get this from? They, pursuant to a final and enforceable federal judgment, began to round up his cattle so they would no longer be trespassing on federal land. They were going to sell them at auction in Utah so that Bundy could pay a portion of the amount he owes for grazing fees and the cost of removal.
Bundy has not paid grazing fees to the BLM since 1993 (with penalties and interest it is $1.2 million). He claims that he owes $300,000 to someone but won't pay Nevada or the federal court even this amount. This is about a thief. Everything else is a distraction.
The BLM backed off because of the extreme potential for violence brought on by Bundy and his heavily armed militia supporters. The cattle were all released back where they were (this was a mistake by the BLM IMO, but they did what they did).
The real facts are out there and all you need to do is read.
Bundy has not paid grazing fees to the BLM since 1993 (with penalties and interest it is $1.2 million). He claims that he owes $300,000 to someone but won't pay Nevada or the federal court even this amount. This is about a thief. Everything else is a distraction.
The BLM backed off because of the extreme potential for violence brought on by Bundy and his heavily armed militia supporters. The cattle were all released back where they were (this was a mistake by the BLM IMO, but they did what they did).
The real facts are out there and all you need to do is read.
Seattle Husker
10,000+ Posts
Horn6721 is likely picking this up from the Bundy blog posting the video of a single cow that was dead claiming it was federal officials' fault.
That video is not conclusive proof of anyone's fault in the death of that single cow.
Of course, had Bundy simply removed the cattle from lands he did not own or pay grazing rights for on his own than none of this would have occurred. That's what is continually missing from the RW blogosphere description.
That video is not conclusive proof of anyone's fault in the death of that single cow.
Of course, had Bundy simply removed the cattle from lands he did not own or pay grazing rights for on his own than none of this would have occurred. That's what is continually missing from the RW blogosphere description.
CanaTigers
2,500+ Posts
Actually it shows more than one dead head of cattle.
The Feds used helicopters to run the cattle and in doing so they also separated mother cows from their young.
You can of course choose to not believe them but common sense suggests the Bundys would not have slaughtered their own cattle and buried them in shallow pits just to make a point.
or did I miss anyone from the BLM or Feds denying they had destroyed any cattle?
The Feds used helicopters to run the cattle and in doing so they also separated mother cows from their young.
You can of course choose to not believe them but common sense suggests the Bundys would not have slaughtered their own cattle and buried them in shallow pits just to make a point.
or did I miss anyone from the BLM or Feds denying they had destroyed any cattle?
Just paso.
I think the Govt did the same to a Matagorda Island rancher that was in compliance back in 1991. Cattle had been raised on the Island for generations and the Feds threw them off under the auspices of wildlife conservation.
Although wildlife had coexisted with cattle for a hundred years, they determined a Whooping crane might fly into a fence or not find water. That rancher was in compliance with the feds and was tossed.
Although wildlife had coexisted with cattle for a hundred years, they determined a Whooping crane might fly into a fence or not find water. That rancher was in compliance with the feds and was tossed.
MrD
Do you sincerely believe Bundy viciously slaughtered his own cattle and even bulls ?
Amazing that you believe that over believing the armed feds who were using helos and ATVs to round up and run down the cattle could have killed them.
Bundy is razed over what he sees as intrusion ( I think he should pay) but anyone who has ever been involved in ranching let alone been in a family that has done it for over a hundred years will tell you ranchers ( or pig farmers. or chicken farmers) would not cruelly kill their own livestock.
Can you see, even a little bit, how the gov't armed agents who have no stake in the health of the cattle might have killed them ?
Do you sincerely believe Bundy viciously slaughtered his own cattle and even bulls ?
Amazing that you believe that over believing the armed feds who were using helos and ATVs to round up and run down the cattle could have killed them.
Bundy is razed over what he sees as intrusion ( I think he should pay) but anyone who has ever been involved in ranching let alone been in a family that has done it for over a hundred years will tell you ranchers ( or pig farmers. or chicken farmers) would not cruelly kill their own livestock.
Can you see, even a little bit, how the gov't armed agents who have no stake in the health of the cattle might have killed them ?
Mr. Fiesta
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Mr. Fiesta
1,000+ Posts
here is LV paper reporting BLM admiitted to killing 2 bullsThe Link
AND here is a Bretibart link reporting the BLM Admitting they killed Bundy's cattle
yes it is a Breitbart link and no BLM person is named so those who think the Gov't would never do that can cling to that
from Link
'The Bureau of Land Management is confirming it killed six cattle as part of its standoff against the Bundy Ranch in Bunkersville, NV.
“A total of six cattle died or were euthanized,” a BLM official told Breitbart News.
The official listed the dead livestock cataloged by the BLM explaining, “The Bundy branded bull that was euthanized posed a significant threat to employees during the gather. The Bundy branded cow ran into a fence panel injuring its spine and was euthanized.” The dead animals listed by the official were:
•1 Bundy branded bull was euthanized
•1 Bundy branded cow was euthanized
•1 unbranded bull was euthanized
•1 unbranded cow was euthanized
•1 unbranded bull died
•1 unbranded cow died
The Link
If the Breitbart site is making this up that will come out soon enough
AND here is a Bretibart link reporting the BLM Admitting they killed Bundy's cattle
yes it is a Breitbart link and no BLM person is named so those who think the Gov't would never do that can cling to that
from Link
'The Bureau of Land Management is confirming it killed six cattle as part of its standoff against the Bundy Ranch in Bunkersville, NV.
“A total of six cattle died or were euthanized,” a BLM official told Breitbart News.
The official listed the dead livestock cataloged by the BLM explaining, “The Bundy branded bull that was euthanized posed a significant threat to employees during the gather. The Bundy branded cow ran into a fence panel injuring its spine and was euthanized.” The dead animals listed by the official were:
•1 Bundy branded bull was euthanized
•1 Bundy branded cow was euthanized
•1 unbranded bull was euthanized
•1 unbranded cow was euthanized
•1 unbranded bull died
•1 unbranded cow died
The Link
If the Breitbart site is making this up that will come out soon enough
Mr. Fiesta
1,000+ Posts
The assemblywoman said it was a much less amount. She also stated a bill hasn't been presented.
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