Impeachment

The one thing that seems to be clear do far is that there were policy differences between some of the career State folks and the elected President
Trump's Americas First policies do not sit well with some of the career folks
 
Joe Fan said:
...Schiff would not let the Republicans call Hunter Biden as a witness. I think the Senate should call Hunter now before their own committee and get that testimony out. The American public has a right to know what they were doing, including an accounting of where all that money went.
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And the super shady "whistleblower" too
 
Joe Fan said:
The one thing that seems to be clear do far is that there were policy differences between some of the career State folks and the elected President
Trump's Americas First policies do not sit well with some of the career folks
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It is as if they never accepted the results of the election, i.e., unelected bureaucrats pushing back against the will of the people. They think they know better. And perhaps in some instances they do. But that is not the point.
Shining a light on this attitude at the Foggy Bottom stop might be one of the few good things that come out of this
 
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I admit obvious bias, but I do not think those first two hours was a good start for them. I dont see how this will capture and hold the attention of the public. So no one will watch and no one will change their mind.
And the designated lawyers are making me cringe
 
OUBubba said:
The whole GOP is turning their head to some bad things for this guy. I’m not calling anyone racist. I have some dear friends, family and co-workers who are in your shoes. They’re not racist but they are looking past it.
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When Trump's college yearbook showed him in a photo in Black Face, damn, that did it for me right there. Can't get any worse than that...

(speaking of looking "past it", as you say)
 
Bill Taylor's posts, besides Ukraine, were --
Libya
Syria
Egypt
Afghanistan
Tunisia
And he "facilitated the Israeli disengagement from Gaza and parts of the West Bank"

How do we look at this? Is this a good resume for an American diplomat? Or does it look like he one of the group of people inside State who got us in a bunch of related but different messes? What is the proper way to look at this?
One of Trump's platforms that was that these people had failed us and he would work to get us out of these messes.
 
Bill Taylor's posts, besides Ukraine, were --
Libya
Syria
Egypt
Afghanistan
Tunisia
And he "facilitated the Israeli disengagement from Gaza and parts of the West Bank"

How do we look at this? Is this a good resume for an American diplomat? Or does it look like he one of the group of people inside State who got us in a bunch of related but different messes? What is the proper way to look at this?
One of Trump's platforms that was that these people had failed us and he would work to get us out of these messes.
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Good point and one I wish more would realize. The intelligence/military community is the group is really against Trump. They are called by other names: deep state, career bureaucrats, DOD, Pentagon, NSA, unelected officials, etc.

Trump doesn't like signing off on their plans for more war, so have been trying to discredit and remove him since the election. It isn't the Democrats per se, but it helps them get back in power so of course they will go along with it.
 
Joe
Interesting angle. I did not know his resume.
Mr Castor, a Pub attorney is making both of them look clueless except for their biased position on policy.
 
Hunter Biden... poor guy, he's been skewered by Counsel without him even being present. If he has to be present before the senate... good luck you, young man
 
Shifft went on and on in his opening statement that Trump severely jeopardized Ukraine's safety from Russia. Taylor said he was so concerned for Ukraine when he could look across and see Russians.

Interesting Oped by WaPO. It details how Obama refused military aid to Ukraine.
https://nypost.com/2019/10/09/sorry-joe-team-obama-refused-to-arm-ukraine-at-all/
"None of this excuses Trump’s delaying a new round of lethal military aid to Ukraine. But if this military assistance was as vital to countering the Russian threat as Biden says, then it’s fair to ask: Why didn’t the United States provide it when Biden was the Obama administration’s point man on Ukraine?"
2019, The Washington Post Writers Group
 
John Ratcliffe has a much better flow going
He is from Texas and I think a former US Attorney

The one guy on the R side who McCarthy left on (or I think he is still on), is Will Hurd. Never-Trump guys like him should not be on this panel. The Rs left a couple of dubious choices on, but IMO, Hurd (who is former Deep State himself) is the worst decision. He should have been replaced
 
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Horn2RunAgain said:
Taylor looks embarrassingly bad, if the goal was to bring down Trump
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He was not on the call -- so only a hearsay witness to it
To me, he is an odd choice to start with. Usually you want to start strong, grab everyone's attention. In this, they failed, IMO

Kent, however, does seem to have a firm grasp of the facts. And whether he intended it or not, he made a good case for the need to investigate Burisma, Ukraine corruption and the Bidens
 
Joe Fan said:
He was not on the call -- so only a hearsay witness to it
To me, he is an odd choice to start with. Usually you want to start strong, grab everyone's attention. In this, they failed, IMO

Kent, however, does seem to have a firm grasp of the facts. And whether he intended it or not, he made a good case for the need to investigate Burisma, Ukraine corruption and the Bidens
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So far he hasn't detailed any poor decisions etc by Rudy G, just that it wasn't the norm for him to be involved

You have to have severe bias against POTUS to see anything impeachable here. At least what's been said so far

Agree, I thought the bomb shells would come early.

(Taylor just looks worse and worse as it goes along)
 
Joe Fan said:
He kept anyone out of those proceedings he did not want in there
Again, this is a factual matter, and the facts are not in dispute (except with you, of course)
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Surely there would be a link by someone raising holy heck if he kept anyone from the Intelligence Committee out of any Committee meeting.
 
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None of that indicates that he did what you said - "barr committee members from attending their committee meetings". That's all about him being corrupt and mean and not fair. That may be correct. But that's not what you laid out as a fact set.
 
Joe Fan said:
...Kent, however, does seem to have a firm grasp of the facts. And whether he intended it or not, he made a good case for the need to investigate Burisma, Ukraine corruption and the Bidens
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Although Kent, despite being being in charge of the Ukraine desk, said he had never heard of Crowdstrike. I am dubious of that claim.
 
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