IMO, the Fix is in

I'm not thrilled with Biden...except In juxtaposition to the guy he beaten. I've been pretty open about my lukewarm support. Honestly Biden occupies a lot less space in my head than Trump does.
 
Biden , it’s president Kamala . Mail in ballot call each one or visit each one. One Vote per person.
 
humahuma said:
Biden , it’s president Kamala . Mail in ballot call each one or visit each one. One Vote per person.
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I'm not sure many Democrats have figured this out yet. Biden can't string 2 sentences together without a teleprompter. They'll ditch him by spring 2021. It's Willie brown's ho they voted in

And she was run off by tulsi gabbard. (Smfh) That's who will be the puppet for 3 years. Should be easy to beat in 2024. Calling it now, the House belongs to Republicans in 2 years
 
OUBubba said:
He's about ten times healthier than the tweeter in chief.
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Barry, I honestly don't think that's true. The Toilet Tweeter doesn't show the same mental lapses that Biden does. He forgets very obvious names, what office he's running for, etc. Trump just says dumb things, but he generally knows where he is, who his opponents are, and what office he's running for.

I don't think they'll need the 25th Amendment though. I think that sometime near the midterms (before or after), Biden will voluntarily step aside for health reasons. My sincere belief is that he didn't want to do this but was pressured into it by party leaders who were unsatisfied with the other candidates. Yes, I think he one day wanted to be President, but I think he had given up on it after he got into his mid-70s. Some early comments by his wife suggested that they weren't jazzed about this. Otherwise, why not run in 2016? It would have made a lot more sense, and I think he would have more easily won.
 
huisache said:
We all see what we want to see. Some see fraud and others see an outpouring of mail ballots from folks seeking to avoid the plague and long lines at polling places

I see four more years of divided government and gridlock. No mandate for either of these PATHETIC JERKS

me be very pleased
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Huisache

I agree with you that, for the most part, people see what they want to....but there is truth, and it need be discovered.

I'm not just talking about election results. I'm talking everything. We cannot approach life simply saying, "Well, that's just a matter of perspective."
Something is always true. And something is false.
 
Horn6721 said:
I like how an election official in Penn put it.
He said after research he found not one dead perdon voted.
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Because most of the "dead voters" end up just being registered voters that some assume voted. I'm not saying that "dead" people don't vote. Kris Kobach found several spouses of recently deceased people that voted on their behalf. I'm certain there are a smattering of dead people that have continued to vote for years (spouses? children?). What's isn't born out by any study is that it's widespread or had any measurable impact on an election.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Because most of the "dead voters" end up just being registered voters that some assume voted. I'm not saying that "dead" people don't vote. Kris Kobach found several spouses of recently deceased people that voted on their behalf. I'm certain there are a smattering of dead people that have continued to vote for years (spouses? children?). What's isn't born out by any study is that it's widespread or had any measurable impact on an election.
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And just because they are dead they HAVE to vote for Biden. Is that what i am understanding here? There is NO way a dead person voted for Trump?
 
Seattle Husker said:
Because most of the "dead voters" end up just being registered voters that some assume voted. I'm not saying that "dead" people don't vote. Kris Kobach found several spouses of recently deceased people that voted on their behalf. I'm certain there are a smattering of dead people that have continued to vote for years (spouses? children?). What's isn't born out by any study is that it's widespread or had any measurable impact on an election.
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There is alot of assuming around here lately
 
WillUSAF said:
And just because they are dead they HAVE to vote for Biden. Is that what i am understanding here? There is NO way a dead person voted for Trump?
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The elderly are more likely to vote Republican. There is also a small portion of people who die from the time they fill out a ballot and the election. My wife had a friend's son pass away of a heart attack at 32 two days before the election. We were discussing, what if he had already voted?
 
OUBubba said:
The elderly are more likely to vote Republican. There is also a small portion of people who die from the time they fill out a ballot and the election. My wife had a friend's son pass away of a heart attack at 32 two days before the election. We were discussing, what if he had already voted?
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He committed a FELONY! :(
 
Mr. Deez said:
Barry, I honestly don't think that's true. The Toilet Tweeter doesn't show the same mental lapses that Biden does. He forgets very obvious names, what office he's running for, etc. Trump just says dumb things, but he generally knows where he is, who his opponents are, and what office he's running for.

I don't think they'll need the 25th Amendment though. I think that sometime near the midterms (before or after), Biden will voluntarily step aside for health reasons. My sincere belief is that he didn't want to do this but was pressured into it by party leaders who were unsatisfied with the other candidates. Yes, I think he one day wanted to be President, but I think he had given up on it after he got into his mid-70s. Some early comments by his wife suggested that they weren't jazzed about this. Otherwise, why not run in 2016? It would have made a lot more sense, and I think he would have more easily won.
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Yeah, I agree, Deez...
Trumps negotiations with Middle East players says otherwise...for just one example. The guy is still an amazing deal maker/influencer/persuader and you cannot do this well when you've lost it.
 
OUBubba said:
The elderly are more likely to vote Republican. There is also a small portion of people who die from the time they fill out a ballot and the election. My wife had a friend's son pass away of a heart attack at 32 two days before the election. We were discussing, what if he had already voted?
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That sucks I'm sorry..My point was asking JoeFan. He posted the Biden comment above.
 
RainH2burntO said:
Yeah, I agree, Deez...
Trumps negotiations with Middle East players says otherwise...for just one example. The guy is still an amazing deal maker/influencer/persuader and you cannot do this well when you've lost it.
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Those middle east "negotiations" were nothing window dressing paving the way for arms sales to some of these countries. For a look at what his real "art of the deal" is look no further than North Korea who made him look foolish.
 
OUBubba said:
Those middle east "negotiations" were nothing window dressing paving the way for arms sales to some of these countries. For a look at what his real "art of the deal" is look no further than North Korea who made him look foolish.
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What we found is that these Kingdoms care more about military might than the Palestinians. I think we've all known that the Palestinians are really just a pawn for the ME to use against Israel. They don't really care about them and as soon as it became clear that we were willing to sell them massive amounts of arms they'll trade in that chit to happily arm up. Israel can't be excited about the arms build up on the Arabian Peninsula but they got what they wanted, Jerusalem and the US to say we don't care about the settlements. In this case, the Palestinians got ****** 10 ways since Sunday. What happened the last time we sold billions and billions of arms to a ME ally?
 
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OUBubba said:
Those middle east "negotiations" were nothing window dressing paving the way for arms sales to some of these countries. For a look at what his real "art of the deal" is look no further than North Korea who made him look foolish.
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Dang it, OU. ;) I've managed to mostly stay away from here now today.
I simply couldn't disagree more.
North Korea did no such. If you don't see his gradual influence and the subsequent change with all that business there than you don't want to. I was just looking at his impact with Kim the other day and it is substantial. We probably have the best relations with that country right now than at any time in decades... not saying much I know, but...

Pretty obvious, besides being a good negotiator and influencer, that being a more serious and assertive leader (foreign policy-wise)...as opposed to a soft and passive one we previously had who enabled our enemies and emboldened them has paid dividends.
As for the Middle East, Trump has done things there others have only dreamed of and paid lip service to...and had more productive influence than any recent president.
I happen to know a lot of people there and with connections there... there will be many twists and turns as always in that region, but in my view his policy and approach has been laudable .
And you left out the real intent of the negotiations. Obviously he didn't meet with them just to sell them arms....I think you know this^^^^^
(though that does sound like something Obama would have done for his friends)
We all know if Biden becomes president our enemies will get stronger and our allies will be neglected...again.
 
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OUBubba said:
Those middle east "negotiations" were nothing window dressing paving the way for arms sales to some of these countries. For a look at what his real "art of the deal" is look no further than North Korea who made him look foolish.
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Seattle Husker said:
What we found is that these Kingdoms care more about military might than the Palestinians. I think we've all known that the Palestinians are really just a pawn for the ME to use against Israel. They don't really care about them and as soon as it became clear that we were willing to sell them massive amounts of arms they'll trade in that chit to happily arm up. Israel can't be excited about the arms build up on the Arabian Peninsula but they got what they wanted, Jerusalem and the US to say we don't care about the settlements. In this case, the Palestinians got ****** 10 ways since Sunday. What happened the last time we sold billions and billions of arms to a ME ally?
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For the record. I'm not a big fan of these types of arms sales, in spite of my defense of Trump's foreign policy efforts.
You never know who they're going to be used on or where they'll end up...or if you ultimately end up getting what you bargained for.
 
RainH2burntO said:
Dang it, OU. ;) I've managed to mostly stay away from here now today.
I simply couldn't disagree more.
North Korea did no such. If you don't see his gradual influence and the subsequent change with all that business there than you don't want to. I was just looking at his impact with Kim the other day and it is substantial. We probably have the best relations with that country right now than at any time in decades... not saying much I know, but...

Pretty obvious, besides being a good negotiator and influencer, that being a more serious and assertive leader (foreign policy-wise)...as opposed to a soft and passive one we previously had who enabled our enemies and emboldened them has paid dividends.
As for the Middle East, Trump has done things there others have only dreamed of and paid lip service to...and had more productive influence than any recent president.
I happen to know a lot of people there and with connections there... there will be many twists and turns as always in that region, but in my view his policy and approach has been laudable .
And you left out the real intent of the negotiations. Obviously he didn't meet with them just to sell them arms....I think you know this^^^^^
(though that does sound like something Obama would have done for his friends)
We all know if Biden becomes president our enemies will get stronger and our allies will be neglected...again.
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Disagree. UAE was an ally as was Jordan. I will say that it appears that Palestinian efforts took a hit. North Korea is so much closer to nuclear capability than they were. Trump's "love letters" with Kim Jong Un did nothing but provide an illusion of compliance by NK.
 
OUBubba said:
North Korea is so much closer to nuclear capability than they were.
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Serious question, and I'm asking because I honestly don't know. What new capability have they come up with that they didn't have or were on a path to obtaining before?
 
OUBubba said:
Disagree. UAE was an ally as was Jordan. I will say that it appears that Palestinian efforts took a hit. North Korea is so much closer to nuclear capability than they were. Trump's "love letters" with Kim Jong Un did nothing but provide an illusion of compliance by NK.
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Sorry, OU... I was kind of hurriedly mixing two.. or three.. subjects there....the UAE deal, North Korea, and general foreign policy (and had the embassy in Jerusalem on my mind, as well).

As for my UAE deal original post specifically...I don't disagree that Trump wasnt negotiating with a bunch of sworn enemies there. Although, I am always skeptical about some of the ME "allies" and appreciate anything that can be accomplished in the region.
As for NK...I do not know about your nuclear assertion, honestly and, as Deez asked...would like to hear support for that....not for arguments sake but purely out of curiosity.
Sounds like we may agree some on the Palestinians.
I still view Trump as an effective influencer/deal maker/persuader.
 
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Mr. Deez said:
Serious question, and I'm asking because I honestly don't know. What new capability have they come up with that they didn't have or were on a path to obtaining before?
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I just think NK did nothing to change their missile plans due to Trump's love letters. I worry that they may be working with Iran in a symbiotic relationship. We need to get Chinese ownership into those two problems due to their geography. NK did the "pee down your back and tell you it's raining" thing to Trump and it only allowed them to speed up their capabilities. Pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal also allowed them to ramp up their nuclear capacity faster.

Our foreign policy has emboldened the authoritarians of the world.
 
OUBubba said:
I just think NK did nothing to change their missile plans due to Trump's love letters. I worry that they may be working with Iran in a symbiotic relationship. We need to get Chinese ownership into those two problems due to their geography. NK did the "pee down your back and tell you it's raining" thing to Trump and it only allowed them to speed up their capabilities.
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I'm receptive to that, but I'm not sure what capabilities they've added or what we did to make it easier for them. Have we lived sanctions or weakened our forces in the region?

OUBubba said:
Pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal also allowed them to ramp up their nuclear capacity faster.
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Very naive, Barry. I don't know if Iran will actually get a bomb, but if they don't, it won't be because of the nuclear deal. As I said at the time, it was inconsequential in both directions.

OUBubba said:
Our foreign policy has emboldened the authoritarians of the world.
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That's the narrative, but I remember authoritarians acting up quite a bit more before Trump than during.
 
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