If you think California is bad, check out Mississippi

You sound like you are quoting Mohammed Ali. He said almost exactly the same thing on Johnny Carson one night, except Ali expanded it to include much broader area of life. He basically said "give aways" wouldn't do any good until the culture of the home is changed.
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
I don't think CA has any HBCUs at all and of the CA schools with a larger black enrollment, none are well known or considered high achievement. But when I say "education" I'm referring mostly to primary and secondary (K-12). That is the age group that is most indicative of the priorities in the house.

The disparity in educational attainment shows up in statistically significant ways as early as kindergarten. So even before the education system is employed, there are large disparities in academics. This difference comes from what is done in the home to start children's development. Black homes are much less likely to practice numbers, letters, ABC's , etc.

These are not hard tasks. They don't take a Phd in the house to accomplish. They are time oriented tasks. If you don't take the time to practice ABC's with your 4 year old, your 4 year is going to start out behind.

The issue, however, is not where a 4 year starts, that disparity can be erased in a year or two. The bigger issue is the culture in the home that is unlikely to ever change. So, a parent that is unable or unwilling to practice ABC's or read to their child is not more likely to get engaged as the child progresses in school and subjects get more challenging. They are even less likely. and bad habits learned in early childhood are hard to modify later. This has a cumulative effect on the achievement level of that child. Black families are not the only families guilty of this, but they do so at much higher rates than other demographics and it is substantiated in almost every academic measure we have ever taken the time to compile.
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An enormous fraction of our social policies over the past 60 years has been to try to remedy this issue, with one handicap of issue-solving being that it is forbidden ever even to state out loud what the problem is that we are trying to solve or mitigate.
 
VYFan said:
An enormous fraction of our social policies over the past 60 years has been to try to remedy this issue, with one handicap of issue-solving being that it is forbidden ever even to state out loud what the problem is that we are trying to solve or mitigate.
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So true. There are lots of studies trying to tie it to wealth, as in rich kids do better because they are rich. And other studies that try to tie it to teachers expectations of children based on race. None of these are entirely wrong on their face. They all play a role.

But the biggest factor by far, (and the one that we can't say out loud)... is parents set the academic habits in their home. Even if a parent has a poor education themselves, they can still set the right tone in their house. and this makes all the difference.
 
Run Pincher said:
No, it isn't simple at all. Compared to CA, the demographics, culture and a whole lot more are so different it's literally like 2 different countries. I lived in CA for many years and have spent a significant amount of time in the south so I think I know more than most.

CA literally was the land of golden opportunity for over 100 years until liberal policies started the decline about 30 years ago. There was nothing not to like: great weather, incredible beauty, incredible agriculture. That attracted the right type businessman for over 100 years. But in a way they were too successful. People got rich and the kids ended up being spoiled brats. CA used to be very conservative, but the kids are now the leaders. And we know what happens with spoiled brats. Imagine millions of Hunter Bidens. Now everyone is leaving due to the politics and unaffordability.

MS was devastated after the civil war and there has never been anything to attract top businesses there. There's no natural beauty and the weather sucks. There's also a culture of not caring about income. Affordability is the only thing they have going for them, and that's not enough.

I can't think of a better place to live for the best weather and more natural beauty than Saratoga, CA. That's why so many ended up in that area. But any decent house is over $3 million and the politics are a turn off so it's changing. Even the tech companies are moving out. There are actually still a lot of conservatives there, but their voice is invisible. And they will mostly be gone or dead over the next 20-30 years.

Let's see where these states are 20-30 years from now.
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The population charts attached support your argument. MS never got the influx of population to do anything differently in terms of production.

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If you look at the CA chart above, Texas is expected to hit 38-39m by 2040. CA will be lucky to hold their population at current levels by 2040.
 
Who knows, maybe after another 50-100 years of overpopulation and massive immigration, Mississippi will get the last laugh as an underpopulated, underdeveloped backwoods forest.

Screw education, wealth, and health rankings. That place might be highly desirable as much of the rest of the country and world turns into one giant overpopulated and overdeveloped Megopolis.

Get your 1,000 acre plot of woodlands now.
 
Chop said:
"Mississippi is the poorest state in America in terms of poverty rates, with 18.1% of its population living below the line of poverty. Its capital, Jackson, is one of the poorest cities in the country where more than three in every ten residents live in poverty. Only 15.4% of the population aged 25 or above hold a bachelor’s degree."
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California is #1 in poverty among US states regardless of the alternative statistics posted on this thread.
 
SabreHorn said:
You sound like you are quoting Mohammed Ali. He said almost exactly the same thing on Johnny Carson one night, except Ali expanded it to include much broader area of life. He basically said "give aways" wouldn't do any good until the culture of the home is changed.
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No Russian ever called me a "cracker".
 
Robots/Artificial Intelligence weighs in:

"AI Overview

Mississippi is the poorest state in the United States, with the highest poverty rate in the country:

  • Poverty rate: Mississippi's poverty rate in 2022 was 19.1%.
  • Food insecurity: 20% of Mississippi's population is food insecure. "
 

Poorest States 2024

worldpopulationreview.com worldpopulationreview.com

"Mississippi is the poorest U.S. state, with 18.8% of its residents living in poverty. The state also has the highest child poverty rate, with 27.9% of its under-18 population meeting federal poverty guidelines. Fifteen percent of residents are food insecure. The median household income in the state is $44,966, the lowest in the country. Unfortunately, Mississippi also has the country's highest obesity rate, at 40.8%, and the lowest life expectancy of 74.4 years."
 
Chop said:

Poorest States 2024

worldpopulationreview.com worldpopulationreview.com

"Mississippi is the poorest U.S. state, with 18.8% of its residents living in poverty. The state also has the highest child poverty rate, with 27.9% of its under-18 population meeting federal poverty guidelines. Fifteen percent of residents are food insecure. The median household income in the state is $44,966, the lowest in the country. Unfortunately, Mississippi also has the country's highest obesity rate, at 40.8%, and the lowest life expectancy of 74.4 years."
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Went over this multiple times. Your sources are using an out of date method. It doesn’t account for regional differences in cost of living.
 
Robots/Artificial Intelligence weighs in on the policies causing Mississippi's extreme poverty:

"Some policies that may contribute to poverty in Mississippi include:

Low taxes
Mississippi has some of the lowest taxes in the country, which can limit the state's ability to invest in public services and infrastructure.

Budget constraints
Mississippi has a balanced budget requirement, and the legislature must get a supermajority vote to raise taxes or revenue.

Lack of funding for infrastructure
Mississippi has not provided enough funding for infrastructure assistance in Jackson, the state capital.

Insufficient TANF benefits
Mississippi only provides TANF cash assistance to 4 out of every 100 families in poverty, which is much lower than the national average. "






 
mchammer said:
Went over this multiple times. Your sources are using an out of date method. It doesn’t account for regional differences in cost of living.
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My sources are from the past few years. It could just be that if 9 out of 10 credible sources say Mississippi is the poorest state, then Mississippi is the poorest state.

Miss. is also terrible at food security.
mchammer said:
See table B5 in the official link:

www.census.gov

Poverty in the United States: 2022​

This report presents data on poverty in the United States based on information collected in the 2023 and earlier CPS ASEC.
www.census.gov
www.census.gov
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And under the OFFICIAL poverty measure, Mississippi is much poorer than California in B-5. It's not even close.

The other measure adds in non-cash government benefits (housing, SNAP, school lunch program, etc.) If a huge % of the population is in poverty, that state will receive a huge amount (per capita) of government freebies. Because Mississippians, in the aggregate, are so poor, of course they get a lot of government benefits to boost their poverty incomes. They're getting so many non-cash gov't benefits because they are so poor.
 
Chop said:
Robots/Artificial Intelligence weighs in on the policies causing Mississippi's extreme poverty:

"Some policies that may contribute to poverty in Mississippi include:

Low taxes
Mississippi has some of the lowest taxes in the country, which can limit the state's ability to invest in public services and infrastructure.

Budget constraints
Mississippi has a balanced budget requirement, and the legislature must get a supermajority vote to raise taxes or revenue.

Lack of funding for infrastructure
Mississippi has not provided enough funding for infrastructure assistance in Jackson, the state capital.

Insufficient TANF benefits
Mississippi only provides TANF cash assistance to 4 out of every 100 families in poverty, which is much lower than the national average. "
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So, according to my robot, in order to avoid the treacherous policy path Mississippi has taken to economic ruin, we should probably

1. Raise taxes;
2. Get rid of state balanced budget laws/amendments;
3. Spend more on infrastructure; and
4. Dole out more welfare.

That's what the robot/AI says to do.
 
Chop said:
If you are seriously arguing that California is poorer than Mississippi, you are a comedian.

:clown::clown::clown::clown::clown::clown::clown::clown::clown:
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The issue is poverty rate - no more, no less. Stop being disingenuous. Based on my research, all serious policy makers look at my measure and all other superficial folks and media use the measure that you are referencing. I think I will stick with the stat that serious folks prefer and leave the superficial stats for you.
 
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Chop said:

Poorest States 2024

worldpopulationreview.com worldpopulationreview.com

"Mississippi is the poorest U.S. state, with 18.8% of its residents living in poverty. The state also has the highest child poverty rate, with 27.9% of its under-18 population meeting federal poverty guidelines. Fifteen percent of residents are food insecure. The median household income in the state is $44,966, the lowest in the country. Unfortunately, Mississippi also has the country's highest obesity rate, at 40.8%, and the lowest life expectancy of 74.4 years."
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This is my problem with statistics. You can't have the highest rate of food insecurity AND have the highest rate of obesity.

I recall hearing on local radio that there was a study done that showed school obesity was going up faster in areas that provided free meals at school because kids are eating at home and at school.
 
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