General Presidential Campaign: Trump vs Hillary

Hillary came out in the light today ......

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Joe Fan said:
Hillary came out in the light today ......

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No makeup? Scary.

She can barely handle this defeat. Wanted to stay curled up in the bed with a book and never leave the house. She couldn't even face her supporters the night of the election. Sends Podesta out to lie. That is what she does.

Yep, she would have made a great leader. :facepalm:
 
horninchicago said:
...She can barely handle this defeat. Wanted to stay curled up in the bed with a book and never leave the house. She couldn't even face her supporters the night of the election. Sends Podesta out to lie. That is what she does.....
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Looks like booze and painkillers, to me.
 
Something tells me that the local posters who told us over and over again during the campaign that it was the Russians who hacked the DNC will be silent on this ....

 
Some oldies but goodies from the first 2 pages (back in June):

Wow. Trump is in serious trouble. His campaign has almost no money, and much of what has been raised is being used to pay back Trump and his businesses. Link. I'm sure Trump has some big strategy ready like selling Trump steaks, vodka, and bottled water at campaign rallies in order to raise cash, but there's a good chance this won't work.

I said earlier that the GOP shouldn't dump Trump or pull any shenanigans at the convention because it would cause even bigger problems. I was wrong. He's in much worse shape than I thought he'd be in, and it's time to cut bait. He is a full blown embarrassment at this point.

Without a serious GOTV operation, a significant number won't even turn out for this election. Furthermore, motivating them makes a candidate toxic in a general election. No point in appealing to them.


Someone smart posted this:
"It’s amazing," Kornacki said. "If you take the 2012 electoral map: Obama versus Romney, and kept it the same... If you can flip Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida, you’re the next president. For all of the trouble [Trump has] had, you’ve got them dead even in Ohio and Pennsylvania. [Polls showing him down in] Florida is bad news for him."

Deez,
Latest polls for swing states are very close. I would argue like Brexit that Trump will win the late deciders.
 
mchammer said:
Some oldies but goodies from the first 2 pages (back in June):

Someone smart posted this:
"It’s amazing," Kornacki said. "If you take the 2012 electoral map: Obama versus Romney, and kept it the same... If you can flip Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida, you’re the next president. For all of the trouble [Trump has] had, you’ve got them dead even in Ohio and Pennsylvania. [Polls showing him down in] Florida is bad news for him."
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That was roundly made fun of too, at the time, as I recall
 
Ann Coulter called this as well. She kept pointing out that Republicans' attempts to pander to hispanics with amnesty was misplaced. That an R-pres-candidate could win simply by increasing white turnout

 
Joe Fan said:
That was roundly made fun of too, at the time, as I recall
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Of the 7% or so voters who were undecided, they broke for Trump 5-2, thus giving him the +3 shift that the pollsters missed. This shift allowed Trump to win FL and PA. He had IA OH NC won regardless since he won those states by 10, 8, and 5 pts respectively. Interestingly, that shift didn't seem to materialize in CO NV where Trump lost by 2 pts.
 
Peggy Noonan in the WSJ
http://www.wsj.com/articles/what-to-tell-your-children-about-trump-1479427835

"What to Tell Your Children About Trump
We are the world’s oldest democracy, we are good people, and we’ve been through shocks before."

(It may be paywalled, so here is some of it ......)

"Eight points and two anecdotes as we continue to digest this astounding election.
You don’t know a tree is hollow until you push hard against it and it falls. The establishments of both parties did not know, a year ago, that they were hollow trees. They thought themselves strong because they always had been, and people think what has been true will continue. Then suddenly the tree is pushed and falls. To me that is the symbol, the image of 2016: the hollowed trees and how easily they fell.

Election night 2016 was not like 1980. That year produced an outcome fully within the political norms: a former two-term governor won the presidency. This year’s outcome went beyond all previous norms. Twenty-sixteen was like nothing in our lifetimes. In the future people will say, “Where were you that election night?” the way they do for other epochal moments.

Much of the mainstream, legacy media continues its self-disgrace. Having failed to kill Donald Trump’s candidacy they will now aim at his transition. Soon they will try to kill his presidency. Any journalists who are judicious toward Trump, who treat him fairly or even as a human being, are now accused of “normalizing” him. This is a manipulation: It is a way of warning your colleagues to approach the president-elect with the proper hostility or be scorned. None of this will do our country any good.

The left is in enraged mourning. A better way forward would be: reflect, absorb, gather your strength as the opposition, constructively oppose. Lose the hissing rancor. Use that energy to rebuild your party.

Right now 60 million people are very happy, and hopeful. They haven’t taken to the streets in elation, so we can’t see them. They haven’t broken car windows in their joy. Respect their happiness.

This is my fear: The question we ask after every national election is, “Can we come together?” The question this year is more, “Do we even want to come together?” Have the two nations within our nation reached a point of permanent estrangement? If the cultural left eases up and the economic right loosens up, maybe things can be soothed.

I think many people intuitively sense this: The Trump era either really will work or really won’t. It’s going to be something good or a disaster, but it won’t be a middling thing.

This big, burly country can take it either way. The proper attitude now? Give him a chance, watch close, wish well. Cheer what’s sound, criticize what isn’t.

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Trump supporters feel that the left did this, demonizing Mr. Trump and making him monstrous. There’s some truth in that. But even truer is that Mr. Trump himself scared the children of America for a solid year with his loud ways and rough manner—“the mouth man.”

What a great thing it would be if Donald Trump would take a day off from the presidential transition, go to a series of schools, bring the press, and speak to children, telling them that he has nothing in his heart but the desire to do good and help people. “I have children and even grandchildren,” he might say. “I love them. I will do my best, and I love you.”

Mr. Trump’s people seem to me right now proud, exhausted and painfully aware that they emerged victorious despite the daily pummeling from the establishment and elite media. No one gave them a break.

And they’re right. It was that way....."

(more at the link)
 
Joe Fan said:
something tells me they gonna regret they ever did this

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Conversely, I fully expect the Democrats to take the obstructionist stance laid out by Mitch McConnell immediately following Obama's 2008 election. "Drain the swamp" will become more of the same albeit with the majority/minority parties switched.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Conversely, I fully expect the Democrats to take the obstructionist stance laid out by Mitch McConnell immediately following Obama's 2008 election. "Drain the swamp" will become more of the same albeit with the majority/minority parties switched.
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Funny, I thought the Rs rolled over way too much for the O
The Rs were given political power for a specific reason, but then got there and forgot that reason.
This is why i think Trump's victory was more than over Hill, more than over just the Dems, more than over the media, more than over the elite globalists.
It was also a victory over the Rs who turned their backs on their own people
This is what burns about Ryan & McConnell getting re-elected to their posts
I dont like it
 
Senate 2018 forecast from DAILY KOS, a hard leaning Dem site on Feb 08, 2016.

The reason I chose this article was so much was up in the air on both sides of the Presidential and Senate races that even Lib leaning press were still trying to discuss it on factual merits (as best as they could stomach that).

At this point, most Libs believed HRC would win and her down ticket support would likely wipe out the Rep's control of the Senate.

Translation = they were writing in coast mode with no defined challenger to paint as the fictitious Bogeyman.

"A Republican president might mean fewer losses for Democratic Senators in 2018, which will be almost completely defensive for them. Republicans have just 8 seats up, most in safely red states, while Democrats have 25 (counting the 2 I's)."

(Went on to break down each state's race with poor Dem slanted reasoning)

"Of course we need to see the 2016 results before predicting whether or not Republicans will reach 60 in 2018, but Democrats will need to do really well this year, possibly gaining 3 or 4 seats, to keep Republicans below 60."


Results are in...Dems only won back 2 seats and lost the WH. Looks like Reps have a decent shot at a 60 seat super-majority in 2018.

I can tell you one thing, with a 25-8 open seat disadvantage, Dems won't be taking back majority in the Senate during Trump's first term. :headbang:
 
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Brad Austin said:
I can tell you one thing, with a 25-8 open seat disadvantage, Dems won't be taking back majority in the Senate during Trump's first term. :headbang:
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It's way too early to make any strong predictions, but 60 is probably a long shot. However, big gains are likely. I think Manchin will switch parties - maybe not immediately but perhaps within the next 6 months. It wouldn't shock me if Joe Donnelly does as well. That would make up for losing Ayotte and Kirk and bring them back to 54 before 2018 even starts.

Beyond that, I could see them picking up seats in Missouri, North Dakota, and maybe Wisconsin and Montana. That would bring them to 56 - 58. I've heard some talk about Florida and Ohio, but I don't see it. Bill Nelson and Sherrod Brown are pretty likable guys who haven't pissed off working class whites. They're also likely to find some common ground with Trump. They might have tough challenges, but they'll probably hold on.

Of course, Trump could end up being a mess in the White House, and the GOP could end up losing seats as well.
 
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