General Presidential Campaign: Trump vs Hillary

Mr. Deez said:
What a **** show this election campaign is.
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This debate will be great television. It will bring in many viewers who might not otherwise watch because everyone wants to see if Clinton can power through a full 90 minutes on her feet without a coughing up a lung, or collapsing. Add to that the interest in the reaction of the moderator after Matt Lauer was skewered for a solid week simply because he dared ask HRC a question that had not been pre-approved by her campaign. And now we have the added spectacle of the green-with-envy Cuban seated beside Hillary's former competition for Bill. It's going to be a ratings blowout.
 
You may want to be sitting down for this

but

believe it

or not

the New York Times

has

endorsed

for President

--wait for it --

Hillary Clinton

It cites her for bringing "a raft of pragmatic ideas" to the election.
LOL

Its last Republican endorsement for the presidency by the NYT was Dwight D. Eisenhower.
 
Joe Fan said:
This debate will be great television. It will bring in many viewers who might not otherwise watch because everyone wants to see if Clinton can power through a full 90 minutes on her feet without a coughing up a lung, or collapsing. Add to that the interest in the reaction of the moderator after Matt Lauer was skewered for a solid week simply because he dared ask HRC a question that had not been pre-approved by her campaign. And now we have the added spectacle of the green-with-envy Cuban seated beside Hillary's former competition for Bill. It's going to be a ratings blowout.
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I have every confidence that the ratings will be high for the same reason people slow down on the freeway to get a good look at a nasty carwreck.
 
Guess Cuban didn't read the story about DMN subscriptions taking a dive once they endorsed HRC.

Same area and now he wants to be the guy who attempts to rattle Trump to help HRC win the debate and election?

When are these dumbsh*ts gonna learn. If your business relies on the mass public purchasing your entertainment, stay out of this overheated political landscape.

Either side one publicly flaunts, a ton of previous customers are gonna drop their product in an instant...especially in a state that's mostly loyal to the other side.

I was a casual Mavs fan until Cuban started this nonsense, now his team can suck it. Never watch or go to another Mavs game again.

It's one thing to favor, vote for, and even donate to a candidate. Quite another to physically try to disrupt a major event and alter the race.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Another bogus Trump graphic. Florida's early voting doesn't start until October 29. Link.
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Google says it starts Oct 24, which I think it caused by state election law allowing some counties to start the process early.
In any event, the stats given are the number of mail-in ballot requests received per party
 
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NJlonghorn said:
Hold on tight there, Deez. Are you telling the that something Joe Fan posted was a complete and utter fabrication? Do we need to start questioning the other stuff he posts?
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Here is the part I actually wrote --
Joe Fan said:
It appears Trump is leading early voting in FLA by 120k
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Assuming the number early voting ballots request by party are correct as stated, then it does appear accurate, as I stated. As of the time it was tweeted.

Do you have any facts of your own to counter this? Any facts at all?
Or, just more emoting?
 
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West Virginia per JWS/WVGOP Poll:
Trump 57% (+27)
Clinton 30%
Johnson 4%
http://wvmetronews.com/2016/09/19/g...uch-closer-than-metronews-west-virginia-poll/
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Maine 2nd District per U of NH. Maine and Nebraska are only states that allow splitting of electoral votes. Maines gives two votes for the statewide winner and one vote for the winner of each congressional district
Trump 48 (+14)
Clinton 34
http://www.pressherald.com/2016/09/...lectoral-college-vote-split-in-2016-election/
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Utah per Salt Lake Tribune-Hinckley Institute.
Trump 34 (+9)
Clinton 25
Johnson 13
McMullin 12
Stein 1
http://www.sltrib.com/home/4390081-...ton?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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Missouri per CBSNews /YouGov.
Trump 46 (+9)
Clinton 37
Johnson 5
Stein 2
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/09/25/race-tightens-va-trump-down-1-co-9-mo/
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Colorado @CBSNews /YouGov
Clinton 40 (+1)
Trump 39
Johnson 7
Stein 2
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LA Times

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Hillary/Kaine thought they had Virginia wrapped up, so they cut staff there. Oops
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"...... Thanks to two polls, Trump partisans are no longer glum about Virginia, a state that President Obama won twice and Hillary Clinton led by 16 percentage points over Trump in a Roanoke College poll last month.

Indeed, Trump was doing so poorly following the Republican convention in July that the Clinton campaign cut back on its effort in Virginia. This made sense once Virginia senator Tim Kaine was tapped as Clinton's vice presidential running mate. Many Republican strategists agreed a Clinton victory was baked in the cake.

No more. Oddly enough, it was a poll by UMW, directed by Farns-worth and released on September 15, that roused Trump backers. It showed him trailing Hillary by three points, 40-37 percent. And in Roanoke College's new poll, Clinton lost nine points and now leads Trump 44 to 37 percent.

Even before the encouraging polls, the Trump campaign, the Republican National Committee, and the Virginia GOP had quietly begun building a ground game in Virginia with nearly 350 paid staffers and 30 offices. "The last three weeks have been crazy in terms of investment," says Republican state chairman John Whitbeck. "We've given Donald Trump the greatest ground game possible. ......."

(written by Trump-haters at Weekly Standard) http://www.weeklystandard.com/virginia-slim-the-race-tightens/article/2004501
 
Joe Fan said:
Hillary/Kaine thought they had Virginia wrapped up, so they cut staff there. Oops
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"...... Thanks to two polls, Trump partisans are no longer glum about Virginia, a state that President Obama won twice and Hillary Clinton led by 16 percentage points over Trump in a Roanoke College poll last month.

Indeed, Trump was doing so poorly following the Republican convention in July that the Clinton campaign cut back on its effort in Virginia. This made sense once Virginia senator Tim Kaine was tapped as Clinton's vice presidential running mate. Many Republican strategists agreed a Clinton victory was baked in the cake.

No more. Oddly enough, it was a poll by UMW, directed by Farns-worth and released on September 15, that roused Trump backers. It showed him trailing Hillary by three points, 40-37 percent. And in Roanoke College's new poll, Clinton lost nine points and now leads Trump 44 to 37 percent.

Even before the encouraging polls, the Trump campaign, the Republican National Committee, and the Virginia GOP had quietly begun building a ground game in Virginia with nearly 350 paid staffers and 30 offices. "The last three weeks have been crazy in terms of investment," says Republican state chairman John Whitbeck. "We've given Donald Trump the greatest ground game possible. ......."

(written by Trump-haters at Weekly Standard) http://www.weeklystandard.com/virginia-slim-the-race-tightens/article/2004501
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Virginia is a perfect example of how Hillary can lose this election. A whole bunch of conservative rural voters (folks that watch NASCAR and Virginia Tech football like a religion), essentially the entire Commonwealth with the exception of Tidewater and DC/NoVA area, have generally just accepted the fact that the electoral demographics have been changing over the past 12 years with the urban/millennial/liberal growth in those two metro areas. However, Hillary is the line in the sand with them. They are motivated and the liberals in the metro areas are not excited about Hillary. They're sick of their representation being diluted away by the growth of liberal carpetbaggers moving to work for the growing federal government. A good ground game in Virginia could defintely work. It's an uphill battle, but it could work.

It wouldn't surprise me if a whole bunch of military voters (massive demographic in Virginia) from red states change their registration to Virginia for the election.
 
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texas_ex2000 said:
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It wouldn't surprise me if a whole bunch of military voters (massive demographic in Virginia) from red states change their registration to Virginia for the election.
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Al Gore worked very hard to disenfranchise military voters in 2000.
Expect Clinton/Kaine to do same
 
Joe Fan said:
It appears Trump is leading early voting in FLA by 12
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Joe, I can only speak for myself, and I may have been the only one interpret your comment this way. However, to me your comment means that early voting has begun and that Trump is leading in those views by 120K. That's clearly incorrect.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Joe, I can only speak for myself, and I may have been the only one interpret your comment this way. However, to me your comment means that early voting has begun and that Trump is leading in those views by 120K. That's clearly incorrect.
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Perhaps inartfully plead.

Nonetheless, +120k is statistically significant, for what it is.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Of course, that would be voter fraud, so I hope they don't do that.
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I don't think it is voter fraud. We are allowed to change our state of residence while serving. I did it from Texas to Alaska while I was stationed up there.

As long as they have a residence in the state, they can get a license and register to vote.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Joe, I can only speak for myself, and I may have been the only one interpret your comment this way. However, to me your comment means that early voting has begun and that Trump is leading in those views by 120K. That's clearly incorrect.
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I disagree. Early votes only count for real on Election Day. Until then, the definition is rather loose.
 
militaryhorn said:
I don't think it is voter fraud. We are allowed to change our state of residence while serving. I did it from Texas to Alaska while I was stationed up there.

As long as they have a residence in the state, they can get a license and register to vote.
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You are allowed to change your state of residence, but if you change your residence to a state that you have no connection to in order to impact an election, that's fraudulent.
 
Mr. Deez said:
You are allowed to change your state of residence, but if you change your residence to a state that you have no connection to in order to impact an election, that's fraudulent.
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Of course, but I was specficially referring to the huge military presence in Virginia registering in Virginia, a major swing state.

Florida and North Carolina may be closer also.
 
mchammer said:
I disagree. Early votes only count for real on Election Day. Until then, the definition is rather loose.
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You can interpret it how you want, as you can interpret anything how you want. I was simply pointing out how I read his comment. Like I said, I may have been the only one who read it that way.
 
texas_ex2000 said:
Of course, but I was specficially referring to the huge military presence in Virginia registering in Virginia, a major swing state.

Florida and North Carolina may be closer also.
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That wouldn't be a problem for those stationed in Virginia. However, for it to make a difference, somebody would have to make it a coordinated effort and register large numbers of them. I'm not sure what Trump's ground game looks like in Virginia, but I have a hard time believing it's good enough to coordinate something like that.
 
Mr. Deez said:
..... Like I said, I may have been the only one who read it that way.
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The only other person agreeing with you is the same one who said--
(1) The Hillary'08 Campaign had nothing to do with the start of birtherism,
(2) Anyone who thinks HRC's health is an issue is an idiot,
(3) and so on .....
 
Joe Fan said:
And they are already setting the table for her - "Clinton faces higher expectations as tens of millions of people tune in ....."
LOL
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-26/national-poll
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I would argue that it is just the opposite.

Her main task is only to live through this debate, to not go into spasms or vomit up blood on stage. It is a victory for her if she can simply stand for 90 minutes without a stool. Seems like a pretty low bar.
 
Bit of a shocker --

COLORADO per CNN/ORC
Sept. 20-25 LIKELY VOTERS
Trump 42%
Clinton 41%
Johnson 13%
Stein 3%


 
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