General Presidential Campaign: Trump vs Hillary

mchammer said:
WaPo indicates here that the celebrations were nothing but unsubstantiated and mean rumors meant to hurt Muslims.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-trumps-claim-thousands-new-jersey-ch/
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What would be the purpose of the clear exaggeration other than to create fear of Muslims? Again, the picture Trump painted was one of a Texas HS football game sized crowd celebrating the fall of the towers rather than a backyard BBQ. I'd argue that Trump was transparently feeding the fear of Muslims by astronomically exaggerating the problem.
 
Seattle Husker said:
What would be the purpose of the clear exaggeration other than to create fear of Muslims? Again, the picture Trump painted was one of a Texas HS football game sized crowd celebrating the fall of the towers rather than a backyard BBQ. I'd argue that Trump was transparently feeding the fear of Muslims by astronomically exaggerating the problem.
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And only leftists deny things that are patently true in an attempt not too hurt anyone's feelings; e.g., differences between males and females, differences between races, etc.
 
mchammer said:
Denying something exists is a bigger lie to me than gravely exaggerating.
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Denying that "thousands and thousands" were in the streets celebrating?

At this point, the celebrations were small enough to be anecdotal, not even large enough to file a police report.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Denying that "thousands and thousands" were in the streets celebrating?

At this point, the celebrations were small enough to be anecdotal, not even large enough to file a police report.
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The media said Trump was outright lying, not exaggerating. In reality, it was the media that outright lied.
 
Seattle Husker said:
You just normalized Trump's statement. Here is the initial quote:
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I didn't normalize it. I said that he grossly overstated how many were celebrating.

Seattle Husker said:
He later went on to claim he saw this on TV which was an outright lie as no evidence of that has been proven.
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Here's the problem, and you know I don't enjoy defending Trump in any context and do so very reluctantly. In modern political discourse, we don't usually call people liars based on a lack of evidence to support their claim. We usually require controverting evidence coupled with evidence that the person knew his original statement was false at the time it was made. I don't believe that there were thousands cheering on 9/11 (at least not in the US), but can anyone really objectively disprove that? No. That's why it's a silly thing to try fact check. Furthermore, can anyone prove that Trump knew that there weren't? No. It's possible that he saw the cheering Muslims in Palestine (which actually did occur and was shown on TV) but saw it in passing and thought it was local. It's also possible that he exaggerated. If you say you're hungry enough to eat a horse but you turn down a plate of horsemeat, did you lie or did you exaggerate your hunger? And of course, it's also possible that he knew what the truth was and lied, but the point is that we don't objectively know that.

Let's put it this way. There's dramatically more evidence that Hillary Clinton lied about Benghazi than that Trump lied about the thousands of cheering Muslims. Why? Because there's proof that she knew what the truth was when she was still peddling the sham about the internet video. She told her daughter the truth. Despite that, I don't remember the media or so-called objective political commentators ever actually calling her a liar for it. Republicans did, but others were far less judgmental but thought nothing of calling Trump a liar based mostly on speculation.
 
A couple of you seem to really be upset by memes, but they did help elect Trump


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"..... As some Twitter users noted, Lena seemed to have spiraled downwards since the general election, sharing increasingly unsavory details of her life with members of the general public, even as she also lectures them on politics and social justice.

Recently, Dunham posted a series of drunken video rants on Instagram, in which the raging feminist called herself as “a human wastebasket” and “wastoid” after drinking one and a half glasses of wine. She has attributed her begotten state to Hillary Clinton’s defeat in the general election."




 
Joe Fan said:
"..... As some Twitter users noted, Lena seemed to have spiraled downwards since the general election, sharing increasingly unsavory details of her life with members of the general public, even as she also lectures them on politics and social justice.

Recently, Dunham posted a series of drunken video rants on Instagram, in which the raging feminist called herself as “a human wastebasket” and “wastoid” after drinking one and a half glasses of wine. She has attributed her begotten state to Hillary Clinton’s defeat in the general election."
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Hasn't she moved to Canada yet?
 
I would have preferred WikiLeaks or the meme (some people here dont like memes, but they did help win this election)
Pretty sure Time does not intend it to be a compliment

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but LOL anyway --
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So Jill Stein forced some recounts
Result?
Donald Trump gained votes in Wisconsin
While the Michigan recount exposed Democrat voter fraud -- the situation in Wayne County (the one heavy Dem county in the state) is so bad, the entire county results might get tossed.
Well done Jill
 
Joe Fan said:
So Jill Stein forced some recounts
Result?
Donald Trump gained votes in Wisconsin
While the Michigan recount exposed Democrat voter fraud -- the situation in Wayne County (the one heavy Dem county in the state) is so bad, the entire county results might get tossed.
Well done Jill
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Once again, @Joe Fan Fan takes a small story with a kernel of truth to it and draws wildly unsubstantiated conclusions.

Yes, there is a problem with the Wayne County (Detroit) recounts. According to this article in the Detroit News (the city's conservative paper), the problem is that there are discrepancies between the number of votes in the sign-in books and the number of votes on the machines. The discrepancies ranged from 1 to 5 votes per precinct.

The discrepancies are attributed to super-old voting machines, which jam frequently. This would seem to indicate under-votes (to the Republicans' favor), but the article indicates the possibility that some votes may have been resubmitted after jamming, resulting in over-votes (to the Democrats' favor). I looked briefly, but haven't been able to find any indication of which direction the discrepancies were in. The only mention I came across referenced a single precinct, which had an under-vote. I'm sure more about this will come out soon.

Regardless, if the discrepancies can't be reconciled, the votes will not get "tossed". Under Michigan law, there will just be no recount and the original results will stand.

The evidence that has come out so far points to a faulty system, implemented incompetently. This story is definitely worth following, and it may well reveal fraud. But it hasn't yet.
 
NJ
What "wildly unsubstantiated conclusions is JoeFan making?
This one" According to state law, precincts whose poll books don’t match with ballots can’t be recounted. If that happens, original election results stand."?


Who is fighting to get Michigan recounted and why?
 
If this is accurate might this be considered voter fraud in Detroit precincts that overwhelmingly showed votes for Hillary?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...covers-massive-voter-fraud-detroit-precincts/


One Detroit precinct ( from link) had a LOCKED box where supposedly 306 ballots had been placed. Once the unbroken seal was opened there were only 50 ballots inside.

AND The Detroit city clerk also blamed the paper ballot scammer readers.When they did not work people had to manually push the ballots through and sometimes the worker would " forget" to adjust the machine thus recording the vote twice.
Yea that is what we will say. The WORKER forgot to adjust the reader.
How many workers in how many precincts forgot to adjust how many ballots so they wouldn't be counted twice?
 
Horn6721 said:
If this is accurate might this be considered voter fraud in Detroit precincts that overwhelmingly showed votes for Hillary?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...covers-massive-voter-fraud-detroit-precincts/


One Detroit precinct ( from link) had a LOCKED box where supposedly 306 ballots had been placed. Once the unbroken seal was opened there were only 50 ballots inside.

AND The Detroit city clerk also blamed the paper ballot scammer readers.When they did not work people had to manually push the ballots through and sometimes the worker would " forget" to adjust the machine thus recording the vote twice.
Yea that is what we will say. The WORKER forgot to adjust the reader.
How many workers in how many precincts forgot to adjust how many ballots so they wouldn't be counted twice?
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The Gateway Pundit? Infowars hasn't picked up on this yet? There is a reason that nobody posts DailyKos here. There may be a morsel of truth in that piece but's its near impossible to figure out which part is true and which is wild exaggeration or simply opinion veiled as news. Yes, I am attacking the source because even starting with the premise that "news" from certain sites is valid gives them more credit than they deserve.
 
SH
So you think the site made up the name of the Detroit City clerk? And just made up something the Clerk was supposed to have said?
Which morsel do you think is true and which is wild exaggeration?

BTW You know CNN just had to post a retraction from a lie slam they had posted on the GP.
 
Horn6721 said:
SH
So you think the site made up the name of the Detroit City clerk? And just made up something the Clerk was supposed to have said?
Which morsel do you think is true and which is wild exaggeration?

BTW You know CNN just had to post a retraction from a lie slam they had posted on the GP.
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I believe the Detroit City Clerk does exist and they likely got her name right. Those are generally facts that are hard to screw up. After that, it's a waste of time to evaluate what other parts of the article are true or not. I'd say the same for any conservative/liberal blog.

Kudos to CNN for correcting their reporting. Would GP do the same?
 
Thanks Jill Stein --

Wisonsin -- “By Wednesday morning, Trump had widened his victory margin over Clinton in Wisconsin by 146 votes”

Michigan -- ".... A controversy also is brewing in that county as officials said Tuesday that one-third of precincts could be disqualified from the recount because of problems with ballots.

Wayne County – home to Detroit – overwhelmingly voted for Clinton late last month, but officials couldn’t reconcile vote totals for 610 of 1,680 precincts during a countywide canvass of vote results. During the canvass, the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662....."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...lection-results-trump-gains-in-wisconsin.html
 
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JF
Husker will be along to denigrate Fox and tell you the information in your link is wildly exaggerated . Now SH can not be bothered to read the information since it is a waste of time
 
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