Forensic Audit in Maricopa County, AZ

Seattle Husker said:
I'd give you even odds of the CyberNinja group spending $6-7M to say "wow, that was as well run an election as can be expected, let me tell you what Maricopa did well."

Instead, you get stuff like this:
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I understand the counter point but bottom line is you don’t start massively deleting files when you are innocent.
 
Seattle Husker said:
When an auditor without a bias actually shows they are "bad actors".

I watched that hearing and thought...these are the few people associated with this "audit" that are actually getting paid. The ~1,500 volunteers that Karen Fann thanked at the beginning got nothing for their effort. In fact, their effort confirmed that the count was only a "few hundred" per Karen Fann different than the Maricopa County count.

Only the top of the food chain got their taste of that $6M. The ones writing the report. The ones that claimed before they saw the evidence that something nefarious was occurring. The ones that filmed a documentary claiming the election was stolen while completing the "unbiased" audit. The ones that have a vested interest in defending their initial claims, the $$$ they received from donors and potentially have a gravy train going forward if more audits occur.

Now you see why it was important to bring in a neutral 3rd party for the audit?

@Mr. Deez said it best earlier in the thread when he pointed out that the only people that will believe these auditors would be the people that supported them. I'd go on to say the people that funded them. They got what they paid for albeit I suspect many wanted CyberNinjas to say that Trump won the count. They couldn't though because that would be too easily checked by another independent audit.
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There is no such thing as a neutral 3rd party. Everyone has bias. What ticks me off about you and Deez are that you two were perfectly fine with every investigator in the FBI Russia probe being a democrat. I remember having arguments with you two about that and that's a lot worse than this "bias". The problem with you two isn't the so-called bias. It's that you two have been gaslighted into buying election fraud is some kind of undoable conspiracy. No amount of evidence will change your minds.
 
In the end, the only thing that will come of this "audit" will be people claiming fraud who believed there was fraud before CyberNinjas started. In addition, these claims of fraud will be used to fuel greater voter suppression laws by an AZ Senate controlled by Republicans, for the moment. As the AZ demographics shift, it's the dying breath of a party trying desperately to hold onto power at any cost, even if it's convincing constituents that the only reason the R's lose is because of fraud.
 
CTex said:
I understand the counter point but bottom line is you don’t start massively deleting files when you are innocent.
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In one sentence you just said "I believe everything these auditors are claiming" so I'm going to disregard your point.

Isn't that the problem with the AZ Senate auditor of choice? Literally they can't be believed because they came in with a bias. They aren't even exploring alternate reasons for claims. Because they have $6-$7M reasons to give the answers they are giving.
 
CTex said:
I understand the counter point but bottom line is you don’t start massively deleting files when you are innocent.
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Yep. Common sense isn't so common. This guy can't see what Maricopa is doing but believes that having common sense voter laws are voter suppression.
 
Garmel said:
There is no such thing as a neutral 3rd party. Everyone has bias. What ticks me off about you and Deez are that you two were perfectly fine with every investigator in the FBI Russia probe being a democrat. I remember having arguments with you two about that and that's a lot worse than this "bias". The problem with you two isn't the so-called bias. It's that you two have been gaslighted into buying election fraud is some kind of undoable conspiracy. No amount of evidence will change your minds.
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Open this site and say that again...slowly. Then ask yourself "what is my bias"?

Yes, Independent auditors are used every day in all manner of situations. To claim they don't exist is...ignorant.
 
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Garmel said:
Everybody has bias, including me. I didn't say that I don't have any so why did you put words in my mouth?
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Then maybe you should not conflate "neutral" with "independent". CyberNinjas brought neither to the table. In fact, it was a dependent model where they were paid by donations from people convinced of fraud. You can't see how ludicrous that is and why the only people that will listen to them are people like you, @AC and @CTex? It's that bias you claim to have that is helping you overlook giant flashing warning signs that you're being fed the narrative that either you, or people like you, paid for.

What are the chances this same crowd of "auditors" now move on to Texas or Georgia? There has to be more $$$ out there than the $6M they've already split, right?
 
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Seattle Husker said:
Then maybe you should not conflate "neutral" with "independent". CyberNinjas brought neither to the table. In fact, it was a dependent model where they were paid by donations from people convinced of fraud. You can't see how ludicrous that is and why the only people that will listen to them are people like you, @AC and @CTex? It's that bias you claim to have that is helping you overlook giant flashing warning signs that you're being fed the narrative that either you, or people like you, paid for.

What are the chances this same crowd of "auditors" now move on to Texas or Georgia? There has to be more $$$ out there than the $6M they've already split, right?
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Who the hell are you to lecture anybody? You have terrible judgment. You've been wrong on every major subject since I've been here. You can't see the giant warning signs from Maricopa County? They are compromised by the fact that they are trying to keep their jobs and trying to stay out of legal trouble. They were caught lying about what Ben Cotton said and they haven't stopped since. They were caught deleting election material and all you can do with a comeback is to say that we can't trust the auditors because of bias/money? That's a ******* joke. However, I plead with you to keep going on with this. More material for me to use against you in the future. Summer of Love, Part 10!
 
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You want proof that Maricopa is dishonest? Did you see them promote the MSM narrative that the draft report having matching vote totals somehow proves that the election was clean? They knew the truth but like the MSM, Maricopa knows how uninformed the masses are so it's easy to pull the wool over their eyes.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Then maybe you should not conflate "neutral" with "independent". CyberNinjas brought neither to the table. In fact, it was a dependent model where they were paid by donations from people convinced of fraud. You can't see how ludicrous that is and why the only people that will listen to them are people like you, @AC and @CTex? It's that bias you claim to have that is helping you overlook giant flashing warning signs that you're being fed the narrative that either you, or people like you, paid for.

What are the chances this same crowd of "auditors" now move on to Texas or Georgia? There has to be more $$$ out there than the $6M they've already split, right?
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I’m at Oktoberfest in McKinney TX so I will have to postpone further comments until the beer is gone.
 
Yea I went to dinner with family and friends. Just got back. I need a drink! From reading all this. Vodka or Gin?
 
Seattle Husker said:
In one sentence you just said "I believe everything these auditors are claiming" so I'm going to disregard your point.

Isn't that the problem with the AZ Senate auditor of choice? Literally they can't be believed because they came in with a bias. They aren't even exploring alternate reasons for claims. Because they have $6-$7M reasons to give the answers they are giving.
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It doesn’t matter if they are OR are not biased because they are providing actual evidence of what happened. You are willfully ignoring these facts because you don’t like the message. Try to get past your bias and look at the evidence from the audit.
 
Garmel said:
What ticks me off about you and Deez are that you two were perfectly fine with every investigator in the FBI Russia probe being a democrat.
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Of course, Mueller himself wasn't a Democrat. Either way, I never said I was ok with anybody on his team, and I think the tendency of Democratic politicians and activists to cozy up to Mueller was dumb and counterproductive.

However, there is a pretty big difference. Mueller was a prosecutor. It's the ultimate adversarial role, and it's expected to be heavily in conflict with the target of the prosecution. Obviously there are ethical limits on it, but it's supposed to be generally hostile even if it's professional in tone. There's a reason why Marcia Clark didn't invite OJ's buddies to be on her team. There's a reason why I didn't invite insurance reps to join my litigation team when I sued people and businesses. Of course, that adversarial relationship is balanced and tempered by the defense also having counsel (as Trump did) and by being overseen by the court.

An auditor is not like a prosecutor. He's supposed to be look for funny business which creates an adversarial element, but he's ultimately a fact-finder. He's not there to bust people, and that totally changes the dynamic.

Garmel said:
It's that you two have been gaslighted into buying election fraud is some kind of undoable conspiracy.
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Not at all. It can happen. It does happen. I support most of the policy agenda in weeding it out and preventing - no voting without ID, getting rid of mail-in balloting (at least as a general rule), getting rid of ballot harvesting, etc. I may have some minor disagreements over a few specifics, but I'm basically supportive of the agenda.

However, when I see a bunch of lawyers and politicians claim a bunch of **** in public that differs from what they say in court, I get suspicious. When I see people (all of whom are represented by counsel) choose not to go to court when the option is available to them and substitute a less appropriate forum over which they have much more control, I get suspicious. Honestly, I don't know if there was fraud in Maricopa County, Arizona or Fulton County, Georgia. Maybe there was, but there's a process for dealing with that, and if the complainant isn't using that process, I'm going to be very slow to take him seriously.
 
Someone correct me if I’m wrong I’m not a Lawyer, but there was substantial reason to believe the judicial system would not hear this case legally. SCOTUS would not even hear it. The evidence had to be presented to the public. They must win in the court of public opinion. Judicial system is also corrupt and controlled. Hence one county in one state going before the public plus the Durham report which is far, far from being over.
 
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2003TexasGrad said:
So ultimately what did we learn from the audit. I'm seeing both sides claiming victory on social media.
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We learned that Maricopa County was illegally deleting election files from machines that were under subpoena. In addition, under election laws the files can't be touched for 22 months after the election.
 
Seattle Husker said:
When an auditor without a bias actually shows they are "bad actors".

I watched that hearing and thought...these are the few people associated with this "audit" that are actually getting paid. The ~1,500 volunteers that Karen Fann thanked at the beginning got nothing for their effort. In fact, their effort confirmed that the count was only a "few hundred" per Karen Fann different than the Maricopa County count.

Only the top of the food chain got their taste of that $6M. The ones writing the report. The ones that claimed before they saw the evidence that something nefarious was occurring. The ones that filmed a documentary claiming the election was stolen while completing the "unbiased" audit. The ones that have a vested interest in defending their initial claims, the $$$ they received from donors and potentially have a gravy train going forward if more audits occur.

Now you see why it was important to bring in a neutral 3rd party for the audit?

@Mr. Deez said it best earlier in the thread when he pointed out that the only people that will believe these auditors would be the people that supported them. I'd go on to say the people that funded them. They got what they paid for albeit I suspect many wanted CyberNinjas to say that Trump won the count. They couldn't though because that would be too easily checked by another independent audit.

To reiterate my earlier statements. I fully suspect mistakes were made by Maricopa County. It's the second largest voting district in the country. With largely volunteer staff for elections it's impossible for everything to run perfectly. Where I take issue with is the assumption that there is fraud anywhere they have inconsistencies. If you want a better run election you'd be better off donating that $6M to the county rather than passing a bunch of laws but that was never the goal.
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The true coup is happening at the border where Biden and Kamala are importing millions of new voters that will be paid off with US tax dollars. I am pro immigration but this is a blatant attempt to buy votes. Anyone willing to sell our country out like this is capable of anything.
 
CTex said:
Yes! The Franconia Oktoberfest was great. I pretty much stuck with that. Good time
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I figured it would be. My sister and her family live in McKinney, and when we visit, Franconia is one of my go-to beers. And we love the downtown area. Mrs. Deez and I got married in the Grand Hotel ballroom before moving to Europe and enjoy the bar behind Rick's when we visit. And of course, I always get a Franconia.
 
I forgot to mention this. Ben Cotton, the auditor who looked at the machines in Maricopa, has stated that the auditing team has surveillance tape/screenshots of the people deleting the files. He said he knows who they are. He said they're Maricopa County workers but he won't turn over the names to the public but they will be turned over to the AG of Arzizona.
 
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