Forensic Audit in Maricopa County, AZ
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Seattle Husker
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Laws are also there to help shape society in a specific direction. I think we both can agree that there are many laws that are worthless and have nothing to do with "criminals and fraudsters". Many of the new voter laws fall into that category.
Can you point me to a state that allows multiple ballots to be processed for a single eligible voter?
Describe those "many" laws.
I cannot. However, I cannot guarantee you that it is not happening either, which is the problem.
Seattle Husker
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In multiple states there is legislation in the works to implement more gates. Miss a gate and you get removed from the voter rolls, get removed from absentee ballot process or get placed in a category requiring more onerous voting requirements. Essentially, these laws are attempts to make voting less accessible.
Below is a sampling of laws in the works or have been signed.
Here are laws that have been implemented:
GA SB202:
- Restricted availability and hours of drop boxes
- Barred election individuals from affirmatively sending out ballot applications
- Criminalizes giving water/snacks to voters standing in line
- Requires State ID # or photo ID to be submitted with absentee ballot
IA SF413
- Automatically moves voter to "inactive" status if they do not vote in a POTUS election
- Limited early voting period to 9 days
- Polls must close 1 hour earlier than prior elections
New laws in motion among legislatures.
AZ
- A law preventing government officials from conducting voter registration drives on non-government property
- One law would prevent the sending of a mail ballot without an affirmative request (@mb227 would approve) each cycle
- Another law reducing the time a voter has to sign a submitted unsigned mail ballot
NH
- Removing college/university ID cards as a valid ID for voting
- Another bill removes the ability to declare the university location as the place of residence for voting purposes
TX
- No unsolicited mail ballot applications
- No unstaffed ballot drop boxes
- Limit early voting hours
- Limits on mobile and drive-thru polling
- Limits curbside voting
- Introduces more onerous rules requiring voters to provide written documentation of their disability to qualify for absentee
FL
- Ballot drop box ban
- Restrict the length of time a voter can remain on the absentee voter list
Because @iatrogenic cannot guarantee doesn't mean that each and every state doesn't already have processes in place to ensure that only 1 ballot is accepted per registered voter. Ignorance of the process doesn't mean states don't have processes in place. I asked for an example of a state that allows multiple ballots to be processed for a single registered voter.
This comes back to the crutch of my argument. If you can't show evidence of fraud then how can you change a bunch of laws to restrict voting? Passing laws based on projection of "what ifs" is really just voter suppression, in a very poor disguise.
6721, you nailed it. You have to show a picture ID to cash a check or get on an airplane - what's so difficult about showing a picture ID to vote?
I've said this on other threads, and it's worth saying again - "All those who are legally entitled to vote, and only those who are legally entitled to vote, should get to vote." So far no one has put forth a convincing rebuttal to that concept.
Seattle Husker
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I showed a picture ID when I registered to vote. I don't have to show a picture ID to pay a bill online. There are many other verification and audit options.
BTW- Who still cashes a check? Y'all are showing your age. Use a debit/credit card and 90% of the time you won't need a picture ID.
OUBubba
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I had to show a state ID to vote. So, that's already in place.
I still write checks. I pay most recurring bills with my online banking website. I don't have a debit card and don't want one - if I don't have a debit card, no one can hack it to clean out my checking account.
Yes, I'm a dinosaur. I can't use 90% of the stuff on my smartphone unless one of my grandchildren is handy. I won't use a debit card. I still stand when the flag passes by. I still render courtesy to ladies like holding the door open. I still honor those who are serving in the military.
And if all that makes me a dinosaur, then I'm proud to be a dinosaur!
Seattle Husker
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Sorry my experienced friend. Didn't mean to trash those using checkbooks. You have to admit that's a bit like restricting your music listening to radio and Cassette Tapes/CDs though, right? Technology is driving society to evolve. There are many new ways to manage our lives that didn't exist previously, some that change the way we work and live. If we build our voting process to match those older checkbook user processes isn't that codifying an antiquated process?
Seattle Husker, I don't dispute that statement. But there are still a bunch of tried-and-true ways out there - and for may of us, the tried-and-true is proven and easy to use. Remember the adage - "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Please use gel-ink when writing checks. A friend got 3 checks stolen from the US mail, and then they were ink-washed with acetone and then tre perps cashed a check(a) for $7k or something like that in a rarely used checking account.
Seattle Husker
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Understood. My only hope for the older generation (and I'm approaching that with 3 kids in college) is that we don't hold back evolution. 5 states already have moved to 100% Vote by mail (Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah, and Washington). As someone that has been able to VBM since 2004, I would never turn back. I still fill out the very same ballot that I completed in person (pre-2004) but now I get 2 weeks to complete it on my own schedule.
One day I researched how European countries vote. It's quiet interesting because very little if any mail in voting is allowed. And if you do, you still have to show a valid ID to get it. You also have to have a valid ID to vote in person. I guess that's why you never hear the media talk about it.
AC
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Correct, the fold in each ballet triggers the scanners to inspect that ballot. Most of the 200K adjudicated ballots are getting thrown out. There are machined ballots with no ink from a pen, that are all for Biden, and there are thousands of them. We are now at 20X more illegal ballots, than the Biden AZ lead.
Then, look at HR1 Law the Dems are trying to slow walk right up until the 2022 mid term election. Look up HR1. It allows the Federal Gov to overturn each State, thus usurping States rights. So if HR1 passes, they get Democrat voting laws which violate the constitution. Then, the Fed trumps each State. So, the States won't be able to fight back like they are doing now. It will turn the US into a totalitarian dictatorship (one party system).
OU Bubba and SH, like most far leftist Dems want us to ignore the constitution and just let these men, run ruffshod over us.
Why is the MSM consistently calling forensic audits the big lie? Why are they trying to arrest Trump for Tax Fraud with no proof. They want to walk us past this coup, divert our attention from the crime. Into HR1, and gun control. This is going to get ugly.
Then, look at HR1 Law the Dems are trying to slow walk right up until the 2022 mid term election. Look up HR1. It allows the Federal Gov to overturn each State, thus usurping States rights. So if HR1 passes, they get Democrat voting laws which violate the constitution. Then, the Fed trumps each State. So, the States won't be able to fight back like they are doing now. It will turn the US into a totalitarian dictatorship (one party system).
OU Bubba and SH, like most far leftist Dems want us to ignore the constitution and just let these men, run ruffshod over us.
Why is the MSM consistently calling forensic audits the big lie? Why are they trying to arrest Trump for Tax Fraud with no proof. They want to walk us past this coup, divert our attention from the crime. Into HR1, and gun control. This is going to get ugly.
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I'm 44, and though I do almost everything regarding money online, I sorta get resistant when people say I shouldn't use paper checks at all. And it pisses me off when my own damn bank does that just because they don't want to go to the trouble. I had to set up a new account with DoD Community Bank when I moved to the UK, and those jackasses still haven't sent me a checkbook for it and when I ask about it, some dumbass millennial gives me **** about. "Yo, dude, why do you, like, need a checkbook, like don't you know about Venmo, Bro?"
99 percent of the time, I use a debit or credit card. (My British account doesn't even have a check or "cheque" option.) However, when I need to write a check, I need to write a friggin check. I do still write checks from time to time from my old Wells Fargo account that I used in Texas since Community Bank can't get it's **** together. The tenants at my house deposit rent into it. When I give gifts to my nieces and nephews, my wife likes to send a physical card in the mail with a paper check. My homeowners association (for my house in Texas) will let me pay my dues online, but for some reason they charge a $7 convenience fee. (WTF??) So those douches get a paper check every quarter. I'm not cheap, but I won't wipe my *** with money even for small amounts. Since no medical providers here will direct bill our health insurer, I pay them and get reimbursed from our insurer. Our insurer sends us a paper check by my choice. Why? Because they attach it to the EOB, so it's much easier to keep straight which claims have paid rather than just having a random deposit showing up in my account.
So though I rarely use checks and will probably take a decade to go through a book of checks, I can't completely ditch checks.
Seattle Husker
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But would you build the current banking system around checks? That's how I feel every time someone says they need an ID to use a check at a grocery store. There is a purpose but its becoming more rare.
The only time I show my ID now is when I buy alcohol. Even for air travel I use my passport exclusively. This idea that there aren't 10 different ways to authenticate who you are in voting via data doesn't understand data.
As an aside, the only time we write checks is when our lawn guy knocks on the door to get paid. Youth today actually get irritated when they receive checks due to the steps to deposit it even with their phones. Venmo is much more convenient and a part of life for our kids in HS and College.
No, I wouldn't build the banking system around checks. Though I'm still a firm believer in them in certain situations, they've never been the normal way for me to spend money. Even in the mid-to-late '90s, I usually used a debit card with retailers. (Until I moved overseas in 2011, I did use them for paying bills like my mortgage, utilities, credit card bills, etc.)
I get the merits of Venmo. It just pissed me off to have some smug tool at a bank telling me to use Venmo as a substitute for getting a checkbook. It's called a "checking account" for a reason. If I want a Venmo account, I'll get one.
As for the ID argument, you're right that we rarely show IDs at the grocery store anymore, and I haven't had to show one buying booze in probably 8 years. However, a few things to keep in mind. First, you undoubtedly had to show your ID when you opened your account, and you provide your SS# for pretty much every financial account you ever set up. Unless you're using cash, it's pretty hard to conduct commerce through the financial system totally anonymously.
Second, though you may not show an ID when making purchases, there is a pretty significant check on potential fraud - your incentive and desire not to get hosed. When you see that $200 charge from bustylesbiansoftasmania.com on your credit card statement, you're going to call and dispute it, which will launch a fraud investigation by your credit card company. (Then you're going to PM Garmel and Sangre Naranjada and demand they tell you how they got your credit card number.) There is nothing like that which broadly applies to voting.
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Seattle Husker
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In a VBM state, we have that check. I can check my ballot status at any time. When it was mailed to me, when the County received it, when it was counted, whether it was successful or rejected. They alert me if it failed the signature check with a process to resolve via email. Yes, i can see if the county received a ballot in my name before I submitted my own and if a second ballot was received for any reason because that also pushes me into a reject adjudication process.
Most certainly these capabilities are the result of an advanced VBM electoral process. They are also why those of us in VBM states guffaw at the criticisms of VBM risk from the right.
Of course you can always check on your ballot. However, are the identity checks at the time of registration as thorough as they are when you open a bank account? And do people actually check on their ballot status as consistently at they check their bank and credit card accounts?
Sorry about that. SH will look for charges from texasbootielovers.com before accusing you.
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I'm guffawing that you didn't actually answer the points in my post.
You showed ignorance on a number of things, so I pretty much tuned out as soon as you claimed it criminalized bringing water to someone in line. The law does not do that. What it DID criminalize was anyone associated with a campaign from doing so. Nothing precludes wife, husband, or other non-election-related person from bringing water to the idiots that don't know how to find a short line.
And to claim that reducing early voting to nine days is a hindrance? C'mon man...get real. If you have nine days, then you figure out which of the seven in the middle are most convenient since, after all, only the dumbasses go on day one or day last to stand in line. Further, the smart voter looks at daily tallies and finds the locations drawing the fewest people and KNOWS they are likely to avoid a line...
You and your ilk just continue to make excuses for why the nation should NOT be taking steps to ensure as secure an election as possible.
Let me simplify it for you:
The Georgia laws are as lenient or more so than other states.
The "artificial barriers" exist to prevent voter fraud, and are reasonable. With no "artificial barriers" we have no Constitution, no laws, and no order in society. With artificial barriers we can indict VBM fraud, as shown in the link to the Texas Attorney General's 135 indictments to fraud in VBM and otherwise. VBM sucks. Just look at the fraud being pursued in one area of Texas by the AG.
Your examples of you being able to check your own vote online does absolutely nothing to prevent someone from sending in a fraudulent vote. You would have to require every voter and non-voter to check whether or not their vote, or "non-vote", was listed online. This still wouldn't stop dead people from voting, and other nefarious activities.
The Georgia laws are as lenient or more so than other states.
The "artificial barriers" exist to prevent voter fraud, and are reasonable. With no "artificial barriers" we have no Constitution, no laws, and no order in society. With artificial barriers we can indict VBM fraud, as shown in the link to the Texas Attorney General's 135 indictments to fraud in VBM and otherwise. VBM sucks. Just look at the fraud being pursued in one area of Texas by the AG.
Your examples of you being able to check your own vote online does absolutely nothing to prevent someone from sending in a fraudulent vote. You would have to require every voter and non-voter to check whether or not their vote, or "non-vote", was listed online. This still wouldn't stop dead people from voting, and other nefarious activities.
I like LOOKING at my bills each month and THEN making a decision how much each creditor will get. By waiting until close to the end of the cycle, I can follow an AZEO plan and maximize my score. It also ensures that everything in the bill is correct, which can be an issue even with utility bills.
Quite honestly, the ONLY person getting an automatic payment has been Dion. And it isn't from my bank account.
Good luck matching my digital signature with my actual signature. It ain't happening...never has and never will...
And yet I had no line whilst voting in Travis County even in the elections where I waited until the day of to vote...or is Austin not large enough and densely packed enough for you? I mean it IS only the Capital of the damned State and all...
12 hours a day of early voting for something like seventeen days this year...which was about 12 days more than they really needed. I went in around noon in the middle of the week and had my choice of machines...absolutely no line at all.
OUBubba
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Turns out that if I were to give AC, Seattle, etc. a bottle of water at the poll I would be in violation. Anyone OTHER than a poll worker. You're being loose with the term idiot methinks.
Fact check: PolitiFact - The facts about Georgia’s ban on food, water giveaways to voters
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Keith Williams, general counsel to Republican House Speaker David Ralston, told PolitiFact: "Any individual other than a worker at a polling place is prohibited from handing out water, etc., within 150 feet of a polling place or within 25 feet of the line."
Election law experts reached similar conclusions.
"I read the solicitation provision and the prohibition on food and water at the polls to be separate prohibitions in the law," said Richard Hasen, a University of California Irvine election law professor. "It is not limited to those who are soliciting votes."
Justin Levitt, a Loyola Marymount University law school professor, told PolitiFact: "I read, and I believe courts would read, SB 202 to prohibit anyone from giving food or water to any voter in line."
A spokesperson with Georgia's secretary of state noted that voters are welcome to bring their own food and refreshments with them to stand in line. He said the purpose of the provision is to avoid having situations such as candidates handing out water or food wrapped in campaign materials.
Cracking down on food and water giveaways to voters in Georgia is not new. A state law already banned giving gifts "for the purpose of registering as a voter, voting, or voting for a particular candidate." That provision doesn’t mention food or water directly, but Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger had previously interpreted it to include food or water.
Our ruling
Holmes said a Georgia law has not "criminalized giving people bottles of water." It pertains to political organizations.
SB 202 makes it a crime for people — and not just people from political organizations — to hand out food or bottles of water within 150 feet of a polling place or 25 feet of any voter standing in line.
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