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Academics...none were taking easy anything...So are you talking about winning football games or academics?
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Academics...none were taking easy anything...So are you talking about winning football games or academics?
Your last sentence suggests that blacks should be dependent on government, society to equalize those numbers. And that's the real root issue. Only blacks can equalize those numbers by making the EFFORT required to go to college, get a degree and EARN a great living. That certainly includes being a present father, responsible mothers, delaying gratification, staying off drugs, not committing crime, sticking to a tough job, saving, and most important, not believing the lies pushed to keep them down and voting democratic.In the WSJ today a short article that looks at the 50 years since SCOTUS got involved in civil rights of blacks in the US.
Opinion | Aftershocks of the ‘Dream Deferred’
Still, economic opportunity matters a great deal, especially in the U.S., where the American Dream links liberty to the promise of material progress.
Most of the economic progress of blacks occurred in 1970 to 2000 and was stagnant 2000 to 2020.
1969 - 1999 period:
Poverty rates fell by 8.6% from 32.2% to 23.6% in the next 20 years the poverty rate 2.8% to 20.8% in 2018.
For 1972 to 1999 period:
Median Household Income (adj for inflation) for whites rose by 20% from $55,540 to $66,759 and for blacks rose 32% from $31,963 to $42,196
For 1999 to 2018 the income growth slowed with whites grew by 6.8% and blacks reduced by 2%.
For the period 1969 to 1999:
Median annual earnings for black men grew 26% but fell 4% in the next 20 years. For black women earnings rose by 50% but only 3% in the next 20 years.
For the period 1969 to 1999:
Household wealth for blacks grew from 10% to 16% of white wealth.
In the next 20 years Household wealth has declined to 10%
For the period 1969 to 1999:
Home ownership for blacks rose steadily to 45.9% with a peak of 49.7% in 2004.
Since the 2007-2009 recession, home ownership by 2020 has declined to 44% by 6% from its peak and 2% lower than in 1999.
The economic stagnation numbers for blacks are serious over the past 20 years.
On the positive side, educational opportunities for blacks have improved.
For the period 1969 to 2019:
High school graduation for blacks rose from 32% to 88%
4 year college degree for blacks rose from 5% to 25%
Education has paid off in earnings for blacks as HS graduates earn $7900 more than black dropouts and College graduates earn $23,300 over black HS graduates. The education gap remains as whites earn more at every level of education.
While we discuss how much improvement has occurred over the last 50 years for black Americans the economic reality is very difficult to accept as reaching equality with whites.
But progress has been made.
Just curious. What year was that?I was involved in a bar fight and ended up at the Rockport Sheriffs office with a large group of people.
They didn't have enough room so the sheriff sat me at his desk to write a statement.
As I was writing I looked up and saw a cartoon on the wall of a black man tied to chair taking a beating from to laughing officers.
I continued to look up and there were three white "K's" descending at an angle down the wall.
I wrote fast and got the hell out of there.
I remember that building too. Actually went in it once out of curiousity, but we were not well received. Must have been the hair and Zippy the Pinhead T shirt.I grew up in Pasadena, aka Pasa-Get-Down-Dena, or “Stinkadena” as it was known back in the day (thanks Goodyear plant). I remember as a little kid we would drive down Red Bluff Road on our way to Hwy 225 going to my grandmother’s house in Crockett.
On Red Bluff Road there was a funny named little building that I asked my dad about one time — the building had the name Ku Klux Klan on it, and I had never seen that name anywhere. I don’t recall how my dad explained it to me at the time but I was very young.
Needless to say, Pasadena was not a popular destination for blacks. I never even met a black person until I was in high school when three black guys enrolled in my senior year. As you might expect, some pretty unfriendly talk started going around about these new students. But then something surprised me: for every racist comment there was probably five other kids telling them to STFU and be cool. These new kids were embraced and welcomed by the vast majority of students, even to the point of some of them just daring someone to try and make a problem. We had more than a few redneck types in Pasadena! But most of them turned out to side against the overtly racist students.
I didn’t appreciate the impact of that at the time but later on I did.
I grew up in Pasadena, aka Pasa-Get-Down-Dena, or “Stinkadena” as it was known back in the day (thanks Goodyear plant). I remember as a little kid we would drive down Red Bluff Road on our way to Hwy 225 going to my grandmother’s house in Crockett.
On Red Bluff Road there was a funny named little building that I asked my dad about one time — the building had the name Ku Klux Klan on it, and I had never seen that name anywhere. I don’t recall how my dad explained it to me at the time but I was very young.
Needless to say, Pasadena was not a popular destination for blacks. I never even met a black person until I was in high school when three black guys enrolled in my senior year. As you might expect, some pretty unfriendly talk started going around about these new students. But then something surprised me: for every racist comment there was probably five other kids telling them to STFU and be cool. These new kids were embraced and welcomed by the vast majority of students, even to the point of some of them just daring someone to try and make a problem. We had more than a few redneck types in Pasadena! But most of them turned out to side against the overtly racist students.
I didn’t appreciate the impact of that at the time but later on I did.
Not sure of this was posted anywhere..
Texas president, AD, players meet on diversity
"But progress has been made" how does this sentence suggest that blacks should rely on anyone other than themselves to improve their economic or educational status?Your last sentence suggests that blacks should be dependent on government, society to equalize those numbers
Years ago....the ONE black girl trying out for cheerleader had been cheerleader the year before and elected by the identical group of pro judges... I knew her, liked her, thought she was great....well, there were only 5 gals back then....(slightly after the Pleistocene Era) so the competition of 367 girls going after 5 spots is keen....she lost by a very very close margin because she fell out of her partner stunt and everyone else was perfect...Does the diversity thing mean there needs to be more white players on the football and basketball teams? And vice versa with swimming, golf, etc.? How will that work?
Wow. So, what happened after that?Years ago....the ONE black girl trying out for cheerleader had been cheerleader the year before and elected by the identical group of pro judges... I knew her, liked her, thought she was great....well, there were only 5 gals back then....(slightly after the Pleistocene Era) so the competition of 367 girls going after 5 spots is keen....she lost by a very very close margin because she fell out of her partner stunt and everyone else was perfect...
Two days later several people on the squad called me saying she'd gone to the black players and they were going to the media and NAACP if they didn't put her on the squad.. she was discriminated against....(by the identical Judges that had elected her the year before....)
I was asked represent the cheerleaders and go to Ron Brown, Dean...PRESIDENT of Texas Exes was a friend and I asked him to go and he was absolutely perfectly eloquent in his addressing the issue...Wow. So, what happened after that?
My last partner seen in my avatar had suffered the IDENTICAL circumstances 5 years prior...she had been cheerleader for two years and lost out in a very very slim race....she was just left with her freckles and BEAUTIFUL red hair...and of course was devastated....I was asked represent the cheerleaders and go to Ron Brown, Dean...PRESIDENT of Texas Exes was a friend and I asked him to go and he was absolutely perfectly eloquent in his addressing the issue...
She was put on and in the Fall held mini tryout and the one blackck freshman was selected...
ALL OF THE ABOVE...I am trying to be woke. Is my avatar or HornFans name triggering anyone?
I'm not sure, but I am sure that they, along with a host of other groups, certainly seem to think government is the answer for virtually everything."But progress has been made" how does this sentence suggest that blacks should rely on anyone other than themselves to improve their economic or educational status?
This is not meant to be offensive or intrusive
Moon are you Black?
I'm not sure, but I am sure that they, along with a host of other groups, certainly seem to think government is the answer for virtually everything.
I had to look up woke a few days ago to see what it meant. I am still sleepy.I am trying to be woke. Is my avatar or HornFans name triggering anyone?
Well Rain basically answered it for me. I read it as relying on someone, something else other than blacks themselves making the progress by legislation, etc., other than "blacks have made progress". That has never worked for any race and it never will. Every race that's been discriminated against has evened the playing field by changing their behavior, earning respect and showing they deserve to be treated equally."But progress has been made" how does this sentence suggest that blacks should rely on anyone other than themselves to improve their economic or educational status?
We may still disagree, Moon, but I wasn't referring to handouts or the like. I'm talking about the mentality in our country that looks to some form of government as the answer. Handouts aside, I still believe the general mentality of many groups in our country, including minority groups, is to look there, or at least to an extension of government of some kind (court system aside), to right perceived wrongs or as a means of improving life.I disagree.
Certainly in this instance they are only asking for equal treatment fron the police and criminal justice system.
They aren't asking for handouts.
Just wanting to live without fear.
The founders themselves had the wisdom and foreknowledge to grasp the limitations and dangers of government and warn against its pitfalls and the ineffectiveness (and counterproductive nature) of it for many things.Well Rain basically answered it for me. I read it as relying on someone, something else other than blacks themselves making the progress by legislation, etc., other than "blacks have made progress". That has never worked for any race and it never will. Every race that's been discriminated against has evened the playing field by changing their behavior, earning respect and showing they deserve to be treated equally.
I would even say Asians have even exceeded that standard. They have a lower crime rate than whites, higher education level on average and make more $. Talk about discrimination, just look at what the Japanese have done. They were put in internment camps, treated absolutely horribly yet have never let discrimination hold them back. From what I've seen in documentaries and read about that time, they never claimed discrimination, they only asked, "just look at my character and behavior and I'll show you what type of person I am". And where are they today? For the most part held in higher regard than the average white person.
100% correct, but if you try to tell a liberal or a minority that they will throw "racist" at you or worse, "You don't know what its like to be a minortiy." The reply then should be," No but I see what it is to be lazy or break the law, and that is the only thing holding minorities back, or getting them into trouble in this great country of ours !!! "Those monorities who do work hard and are good citizens are very successful, and aren't in jail."....Your last sentence suggests that blacks should be dependent on government, society to equalize those numbers. And that's the real root issue. Only blacks can equalize those numbers by making the EFFORT required to go to college, get a degree and EARN a great living. That certainly includes being a present father, responsible mothers, delaying gratification, staying off drugs, not committing crime, sticking to a tough job, saving, and most important, not believing the lies pushed to keep them down and voting democratic.
I've been in the business world a long time and know a whole lot of business owners and top execs. Nearly all of them would love to hire a black person but they can't find qualified candidates, or when they do the person won't stay on the job.
I was taught no matter what obstacles life throws at you, it's just another opportunity to overcome. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Life is about overcoming obstacles. And that's the case for all races except the white elite that make up less 5% of the population. I can guarantee you it's tougher for poor whites than poor blacks because I've been around both enough to know.
So even if systemic racism did exist (and I've been around long enough know that's ridiculous), so what? Why not decide I'm not going to let anything hold me back? I'm not going to let anyone or anything keep me down? I'm going to make something of my life and be successful regardless of what obstacles are thrown at me?
There's 2 types of people in this country. One finds an excuse and the other finds a way to succeed.
Know what REALLY angers me? The University always goes to current students who have an average of two years invested when considering changes that affect future and past graduates of the school. These current students are always the focus. As alumni who spent 4-6 years on campus and have represented and donated to this school for 4-60 years, you don’t count for sh-t.Not sure if this was posted anywhere..
Texas president, AD, players meet on diversity
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Sat, Nov 30 • 6:30 PM on ABC