Dumb Political Correctness

Brad Austin said:
What do you know, the most important aspect to this entire anthem protest garbage has been revealed. The protesting players and even the ones staying in the locker room are breaking NFL rules.

This stroke of brilliance came from an unexpected source when Packers safety HaHa Clinton-Dix posted this to his FB page...

"The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states:

“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition...

...It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

Home crowds booed their own players this weekend (even in Liberal cities) and now it's shown the players are breaking league rules.

Goodell (who abruptly defied DT) is refusing to do his job by not addressing these continued rules violations and doling out punishment.

Unless owners are cool with giving him the power to decide which NFL rules he feels like enforcing or ignoring. Trump and America win again! :trophy::usa:
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Nice try but all of that is made up according to the IndyStar. http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...book-actually-says-national-anthem/699886001/
 
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An open letter to Roger Goodell from a Marine. He makes excellent points. It's worth reading.


"I’ve been a season pass holder at Yankee Stadium, Yale Bowl and Giants Stadium.

I missed the ’90-’91 season because I was with a battalion of Marines in Desert Storm. 14 of my wonderful Marines returned home with the American Flag draped across their lifeless bodies. My last conversation with one of them, Sgt Garrett Mongrella, was about how our Giants were going to the Super Bowl. He never got to see it.

Many friends, Marines, and Special Forces Soldiers who worked with or for me through the years returned home with the American Flag draped over their coffins.

Now I watch multi millionaire athletes who never did anything in their lives but play a game, disrespect what brave Americans fought and died for. They are essentially spitting in the faces and on the graves of real men, men who have actually done something for this country beside playing with a ball and believing they’re something special! They’re not! My Marines and Soldiers were!

You are complicit in this!

You’ll fine players for large and small infractions but you lack the morale courage and respect for our nation and the fallen to put an immediate stop to this.

Yes, I know, it’s their 1st Amendment right to behave in such a despicable manner. What would happen if they came out and disrespected you or the refs publicly?

I observed a player getting a personal foul for twerking in the end zone after scoring. I guess that’s much worse than disrespecting the flag and our National Anthem. Hmmmmm, isn’t it his 1st Amendment right to express himself like an idiot in the end zone? Why is taunting not allowed yet taunting America is ok? You fine players for wearing 9-11 commemorative shoes yet you allow scum on the sidelines to sit, kneel or pump their pathetic fist in the air. They are so deprived with their multimillion dollar contracts for playing a freaking game! You condone it all by your refusal to act. You’re just as bad and disgusting as they are. I hope Americans boycott any sponsor who supports that rabble you call the NFL. I hope they turn off the TV when any team that allowed this disrespect to occur, without consequence, on the sidelines. I applause those who have not.

Legends and heroes do NOT wear shoulder pads. They wear body armor and carry rifles.

They make minimum wage and spend months and years away from their families. They don’t do it for an hour on Sunday. They do 24/7 often with lead,not footballs, coming in their direction. They watch their brothers carted off in pieces not on a gurney to get their knee iced. They don’t even have ice! Many do t have legs or arms. Some wear blue and risk their lives daily on the streets of America. They wear fire helmets and go upstairs into the fire rather than down to safety. On 9-11, hundreds vanished. They are the heroes.

I hope that your high paid protesting pretty boys and you look in that mirror when you shave tomorrow and see what you really are, legends in your own minds. You need to hit the road and take those worms with you!

Time to change the channel.

Col Jeffrey A Powers USMC(ret)"
 
Are they going to fine all of the patriots who wear their flag shirts? I bet there's a decent correlation between the snowflakes who've not watched a NFL game in years who are "boycotting" and those who have a flag shirt, tie, etc. for certain days.

What about every stadium that displays the flag horizontally? Those are violations as well.

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#176
 
Joe Fan said:
I often think you are a fake account.
The SNF game last night was not on cable. It was on over-the-air network TV.
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The people I know who've "cut the cord" do not watch over the air television with an antennae. They watch netflix, hulu or (more often than not) their jail broken firestick. I watched McGregor v. Mayweather on my firestick. My kids hardly watch the satellite extension in their room except for USA soccer. They watch netflix on their laptops. They won't even listen to me when I try to get them to plug in a HDMI cable.
 
OUBubba said:
The people I know who've "cut the cord" do not watch over the air television with an antennae. They watch netflix, hulu or (more often than not) their jail broken firestick. ...
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Those people, both of them, were not watching the NFL before or after and so have no effect on ratings
 
Some more Manning --
There is a blogger Jim Treacher who doesnt much care for Chelsea Manning or his erratic use of emojis, so he sent some of his own to Manning.
Twitter locked him out for it


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".... Every tweet of his is like that. I find it irritating, and I want to respond in kind, but there’s no emoji for “traitor.” So I’ve come up with a brief sequence of emojis to express what I think about Bradley Manning.

If you can’t make that out, it’s a pair of scissors, a pair of nuts, and a clown. In my opinion, that describes Bradley Manning to a T.

I’ve been using that series of emojis for the past month or so, and Twitter just locked my account (@jtLOL) for 12 hours because of it. I’m not banned, and my account is still there, but I can’t tweet anything or reply to anybody. They made me delete a couple of tweets with that series of emojis before even granting me the suspension. If I hadn’t deleted them, I’d be locked out for good. ...."​
 
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OUBubba said:
Are they going to fine all of the patriots who wear their flag shirts? I bet there's a decent correlation between the snowflakes who've not watched a NFL game in years who are "boycotting" and those who have a flag shirt, tie, etc. for certain days.

What about every stadium that displays the flag horizontally? Those are violations as well.

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#176
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I get that lots of people don't follow the letter of policy for flag display and it is hard to judge what someone's intent is BUT I think it is plain to see that people that adorn their hats with a flag are intending the exact opposite of disrespect. In their uninformed way, they are attempting to show their pride and respect for the flag and the country for which it stands.

Even in your post, I think you have misconstrued "horizontally". Proper etiquette allows for the flag to be displayed on a wall with the stripes running left to right. What is meant by "horizontally" is that it can't be displayed in a "flat" fashion such as how they usually do the Texas Flag during the game where there are a hundred people each holding an edge of the flag and the result is that all sides of the flag are roughly two feet of the ground. That is "horizontal".
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
Even in your post, I think you have misconstrued "horizontally". Proper etiquette allows for the flag to be displayed on a wall with the stripes running left to right. What is meant by "horizontally" is that it can't be displayed in a "flat" fashion such as how they usually do the Texas Flag during the game where there are a hundred people each holding an edge of the flag and the result is that all sides of the flag are roughly two feet of the ground. That is "horizontal".
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That's how I meant it. Football stadiums across the country spread out the flag like that. In Philly where they had video of Villenueva doing the thing, they had the flag draped on the field. Heaven forbid we have peaceful protests.
 
OUBubba said:
That's how I meant it. Football stadiums across the country spread out the flag like that. In Philly where they had video of Villenueva doing the thing, they had the flag draped on the field. Heaven forbid we have peaceful protests.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that there shouldn't be peaceful protest. I think most are saying one of two things...
1. Pick a manner of protest that doesn't by its very nature piss on your country and the people that have died to defend it
2. At your workplace and in your work uniform are not the place to protest. you are there at the discretion of your employer.

If these **** want to protest then why aren't they out on the street on Saturday handing out fliers and talking about their convictions....That's free speech being exercised. But they don't do that because that is the hard way to protest. That is a method of protest that means they actually have to use ideas and persuade people.

What they are doing is acting like a bunch of pampered prima donnas that are grandstanding. I think we should start a hashtag.....#NFLrs--Write that check

Let all the prima donnas fight the injustice of the world by putting some skin in the game. Put your money where your mouth is Mr. Bennet, et al. Write that check to help minority children go to pre-school. Write that check to help minority kids get the medicine they need. Write that check to fund minority scholarships. Write that check to help a minority family buy a home....Write that check Mr. Bennett.
 
Does this inconsistency prove its not really about free speech?
It's really just about crapping on America and wiping your butt with the flag?

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Garmel said:
Nice try but the rule is actually in the game's operation manual. Fake News.
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Wait...the post said "NFL League Rulebook" so I'm not sure how you can say it was fake news but I'll give you credit for tracking down the correction that the passage was actually in the Game Operation Manual rather than the official rulebook which doesn't mention the anthem at all.

Of course, it says "should" stand and does not call out any penalties for not standing. Snopes has a comprehensive article on the topic of which they give it a "mixture" rating.

When Colin Kaepernick first made waves by kneeling during pre-game ceremonies back in August 2016, the NFL issued a statement proclaiming that “Players are encouraged but not required to stand during the playing of the National Anthem.” NBC News similarly observed that “The NFL has no such rule, and the Collective Bargaining Agreement is silent on the subject.”
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The NFL appears to be consistent now from what they originally stated in 2016.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Wait...the post said "NFL League Rulebook" so I'm not sure how you can say it was fake news but I'll give you credit for tracking down the correction that the passage was actually in the Game Operation Manual rather than the official rulebook which doesn't mention the anthem at all.

Of course, it says "should" stand and does not call out any penalties for not standing. Snopes has a comprehensive article on the topic of which they give it a "mixture" rating.



The NFL appears to be consistent now from what they originally stated in 2016.
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The major newspapers ran with the same BS story that IndyStar did. None of them decided to do any work to find the rule and then said the rule didn't exist. Then the rule is found and the excuse is that it says it can't be enforced because of the word "should". This is unfortunately one of Goodell's bad decisions that wouldn't have been interpreted this way from past commissioners and it won't be from future ones. Here's how it works in the real world: If you get a job and it says in their policy book "men should wear tie and jacket" and you come in wearing a T-shirt and shorts, see what the hell happens. See if the excuse "should" holds up. ;).
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
Let all the prima donnas fight the injustice of the world by putting some skin in the game. Put your money where your mouth is Mr. Bennet, et al. Write that check to help minority children go to pre-school. Write that check to help minority kids get the medicine they need. Write that check to fund minority scholarships. Write that check to help a minority family buy a home....Write that check Mr. Bennett.
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Michael Bennett has been pretty generous. Per this article he will donate the entirety of his 2017 endorsement money and half the proceeds he receives for the jersey sales. He also has a very active foundation. This article claims Michael will donate the money to charities that cater to minorities and the empowerment of black women. His brother, Martellus, pledged to donate all his jersey sale cut to after-school programs.
 
I'll stand, remove my hat and be respectful during the National Anthem. Still I'm not understanding why it's so important to some that those who kneel calling attention to what they perceive an injustice be fined, suspended, fired or face other severe consequences. They are not pissing on the flag, veterans or anybody else. They are quiet and attentive, not rude or disrespectful.

There are a lot of things that make America great. I don't think abject conformity as to when to stand and when to kneel is one of them.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Nice try but all of that is made up according to the IndyStar. http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...book-actually-says-national-anthem/699886001/
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This isn't made up and comes directly from the rules manual:

ARTICLE 8. PERSONAL MESSAGES. Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and

television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or

on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or


illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or

memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on

players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League

office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player


to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to

game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or

charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial;

must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be

worn by players on other teams in the League.
 
I think the problem with the uniforms is that if you allow one to do it then everybody will alter their uniform and make their pet statement. The league wants uniformity and probably also it has something to do with the sponsors (THAT HELP MAKE THESE GUYS MILLIONAIRES).
 
Yes it does. The rules also specify "otherwise conveying" personal messages in addition to uniform alterations for the same reason, and we are all seeing why that rule makes perfect sense.
 
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