Musburger1
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Another connection between politics and media. Guess where Rice's husband works as a producer?
Did Obama Wiretap The Donald?
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Joe Fan,
My apologies. That was a really thorough thread derailment. Please, let's all get back to our original programming.
My apologies. That was a really thorough thread derailment. Please, let's all get back to our original programming.
I think you're correct. However, "assless chaps" has become a colloquialism for wearing them without jeans.
Joe Fan
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Joe Fan
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Meanwhile, sorry Obamaphants, but the leak story is not going away
http://thefederalist.com/2017/04/07/sorry-democrats-the-obama-spying-scandal-isnt-going-away/
"...... Nunes not having to deal with that part of his duties frees up time to focus on an area of investigation that has proved fruitful: the Obama administration’s leaking against the Trump administration.
Everyone knows that there was leaking, because multiple media outlets published the leaks. These many leaks were sourced to high-level Obama officials, though their identities were kept anonymous by the journalists publishing the information.
Two weeks ago, there was a breakthrough. Nunes revealed that he’d seen dozens of reports of information collected on U.S. citizens close to the Trump transition. Their information had been unmasked despite the lack of intelligence value in the reports. This had nothing to do with Russia, and the information was widely disseminated, according to Nunes. While many in the media immediately attempted to downplay the news or distract from it, earlier this week it was revealed that Obama’s National Security Advisor had requested such unmasking dozens of times. She was not the only Obama official to request the unmasking.
After initially denying knowledge of Nunes’ revelations when he first made them, Rice later defended her requests for unmasked information when it came out she was one of the Obama officials to request the unmasked information. Rice says she “leaked nothing to nobody,” although she is not known for her truth-telling. Still, in order for a leak campaign to work, the leaker didn’t need to also be the person who requested the unmasking of information on U.S. citizens or the person who made sure the unmasked information was distributed widely. But the unmasking would be a necessary first step.
Observers are beginning to see the significance of the news of Susan Rice’s involvement, despite a lack of media coverage of same.
The point is that Nunes was doing the tenacious oversight that enabled this news to be discovered. And he can spend his time focused on getting to the bottom of the Obama administration’s leaking scandal without having to spend time on the Russia portion that was already wrapping up. He’ll need that time to deal with the bureaucracy’s resistance to oversight. Intelligence agencies are “stonewalling” efforts to figure out who leaked protected information to the press:...."
Everyone knows that there was leaking, because multiple media outlets published the leaks. These many leaks were sourced to high-level Obama officials, though their identities were kept anonymous by the journalists publishing the information.
Two weeks ago, there was a breakthrough. Nunes revealed that he’d seen dozens of reports of information collected on U.S. citizens close to the Trump transition. Their information had been unmasked despite the lack of intelligence value in the reports. This had nothing to do with Russia, and the information was widely disseminated, according to Nunes. While many in the media immediately attempted to downplay the news or distract from it, earlier this week it was revealed that Obama’s National Security Advisor had requested such unmasking dozens of times. She was not the only Obama official to request the unmasking.
After initially denying knowledge of Nunes’ revelations when he first made them, Rice later defended her requests for unmasked information when it came out she was one of the Obama officials to request the unmasked information. Rice says she “leaked nothing to nobody,” although she is not known for her truth-telling. Still, in order for a leak campaign to work, the leaker didn’t need to also be the person who requested the unmasking of information on U.S. citizens or the person who made sure the unmasked information was distributed widely. But the unmasking would be a necessary first step.
Observers are beginning to see the significance of the news of Susan Rice’s involvement, despite a lack of media coverage of same.
The point is that Nunes was doing the tenacious oversight that enabled this news to be discovered. And he can spend his time focused on getting to the bottom of the Obama administration’s leaking scandal without having to spend time on the Russia portion that was already wrapping up. He’ll need that time to deal with the bureaucracy’s resistance to oversight. Intelligence agencies are “stonewalling” efforts to figure out who leaked protected information to the press:...."
http://thefederalist.com/2017/04/07/sorry-democrats-the-obama-spying-scandal-isnt-going-away/
Joe Fan
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"Susan Rice is a liar. Now even the liberal media is starting to admit it"
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...l-media-outlets-are-starting-to-admit-it.html
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...l-media-outlets-are-starting-to-admit-it.html
Joe Fan
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Looks like Larry Johnson was correct above when he told CNN that GCHQ was spying on Trump and passing it on to the Obama people. CNN was dubious at the time, of course.
In addition, when Spicer brought up this allegation at a presser a month ago, CNN accused him of creating an "international crisis"
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/politics/trump-russia-british-intelligence/index.html
"British and other European intelligence agencies intercepted communications between associates of Donald Trump and Russian officials and other Russian individuals during the campaign and passed on those communications to their US counterparts, US congressional and law enforcement and US and European intelligence sources tell CNN. ..."
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Joe Fan
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That sound you hear from the media on this disclosure is crickets
The Podesta Group filed a new disclosure on Wednesday acknowledging its work for a European nonprofit that could have principally benefitted the Ukrainian government.
The lobbying firm's efforts were directed by ex-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, whose dealings with the Ukrainian government have come under serious scrutiny.
Every major outlet that covered the story rightfully reported on Manafort's ties to President Trump. But not a single one mentioned Podesta Group Chairman Tony Podesta's work on behalf of Hillary Clinton.
Though some of the outlets noted Podesta's brother John served as Clinton's campaign chairman, it appears none of the mainstream reports bothered to inform readers that Tony himself was involved in her bid for the White House....."
The lobbying firm's efforts were directed by ex-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, whose dealings with the Ukrainian government have come under serious scrutiny.
Every major outlet that covered the story rightfully reported on Manafort's ties to President Trump. But not a single one mentioned Podesta Group Chairman Tony Podesta's work on behalf of Hillary Clinton.
Though some of the outlets noted Podesta's brother John served as Clinton's campaign chairman, it appears none of the mainstream reports bothered to inform readers that Tony himself was involved in her bid for the White House....."
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/m...-disclosure/article/2620236?custom_click=rss#!
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LOL! I wonder what CNN will do when a big nothingburger comes from this?
Joe Fan
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The oppo research firm that paid for purported ex-Brit spy Christopher Steele to put together the discredited dossier on Donald Trump is refusing to answer questions under oath put to it by the Senate Judiciary Committee.
The firm is called Fusion GPS and it was on the payroll of a yet still unidentified Hillary Clinton donor
Committee chair Chuck Grassley asked Fusion to identify its client, reveal details of its arrangement with Steele and to describe its interactions with the FBI, which also paid Steele for his "dossier" for some unknown reason.
Grassley wrote --
Fusion is claiming as it basis to refuse to answer questions "attorney-client privilege" eventhough they are not lawyers. They are also saying the 1st Amendment shields them, eventhough their material was not published.
The firm is called Fusion GPS and it was on the payroll of a yet still unidentified Hillary Clinton donor
Committee chair Chuck Grassley asked Fusion to identify its client, reveal details of its arrangement with Steele and to describe its interactions with the FBI, which also paid Steele for his "dossier" for some unknown reason.
Grassley wrote --
“When political opposition research becomes the basis for law enforcement or intelligence efforts, it raises substantial questions about the independence of law enforcement and intelligence from politics....”
OUBubba
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What's been discredited? I mean I know we've not seen the pee pee tape (yet). Give it time. To me it looks like it's pretty accurate so far.
And what authenticates its accuracy for you? Your unlimited bias?
OUBubba
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I'm not claiming it's accuracy. I'm asking what has come out wrong? So far, as the facts slowly trickle out, it seems spot on.
The section of the report stating that Trump peed on Bob Stoops and David Boren seem accurate (and no facts have been presented to show that information is false), but the other information in the dossier has not been proven.
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Joe Fan
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The OP question was "Did Obama Wiretap The Donald?"
The answer should be clear to all reasonable thinkers now that not only did he, but he had a good chunk of the rest of the world spying on the Donald. The quote is from the Trump-hating Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia
If you take a moment to read the entire article from the Trump-hating Guardian, you will note that they bend over backward to avoid stating that even with the combined assets of all of these different agencies working for Obama, they failed to find any evidence of collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russia.
Nothing.
How do we know this? We know this because the Democrats threw everything they had at this story. They did it both before and after the election. Especially after. They leaked out the wazoo, not for NatSec reasons, but solely in an effort to discredit Trump. If there were anything there, the WAPO and NYT would have been covering nothing but this. But they have nothing.
The whole tale is quite a story. It looks like everyone else in the world believed the bad polling that Hillary Clinton was going to win. And so they thought it was safe to spy on her opponent, going so far as to offer opposition intelligence during the campaign. That intelligence was then leaked to the complicit media.
It is pretty shocking behavior given that leaking intelligence is a felony. Will anyone pay the price for this?
The answer should be clear to all reasonable thinkers now that not only did he, but he had a good chunk of the rest of the world spying on the Donald. The quote is from the Trump-hating Guardian
Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.
The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.
Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.
The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.
Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia
If you take a moment to read the entire article from the Trump-hating Guardian, you will note that they bend over backward to avoid stating that even with the combined assets of all of these different agencies working for Obama, they failed to find any evidence of collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russia.
Nothing.
How do we know this? We know this because the Democrats threw everything they had at this story. They did it both before and after the election. Especially after. They leaked out the wazoo, not for NatSec reasons, but solely in an effort to discredit Trump. If there were anything there, the WAPO and NYT would have been covering nothing but this. But they have nothing.
The whole tale is quite a story. It looks like everyone else in the world believed the bad polling that Hillary Clinton was going to win. And so they thought it was safe to spy on her opponent, going so far as to offer opposition intelligence during the campaign. That intelligence was then leaked to the complicit media.
It is pretty shocking behavior given that leaking intelligence is a felony. Will anyone pay the price for this?
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OUBubba
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The truth is that all of our allies (and our enemies) have certain signal intelligence that they maintain. Spying on suspected foreign nationals, keeping tabs on embassy staff, etc. As many as seven of them came across information highlighting that Trump's staff were way at least too cozy with the Russians and possibly working in collusion with them. Why is this a big deal? Because the Russians are trying to undermine NATO, the EU, free elections, puppies, etc. Obama had nothing to do with this. I suspect that they used this information from the SEVEN allies to get FISA warrants in place. Then, once the election was over, Obama put sanctions on Russia knowing that the cockroaches would scramble like they'd turned the lights on. That's what's going to get them all. That is the bread crumbs that have been referenced. I've read that there's a conversation between McConnell and Ryan discussing Russian money into campaign coffers. This is going to get interesting.
Brad Austin
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SMH So pathetic you're still pushing this collusion garbage solely off wishful thinking and baseless speculation. Please show us one shed of concrete proof of collusion....it's been several months now.
It's laughable how Dems believe they've found anything of substance that proves collusion yet it miraculously hasn't been leaked to the drooling, propaganda MSM.
Just further proves how worthless modern Libs have become. This is exactly what happens when participation trophy snowflakes face the harsh outcomes of real-life competition where the loser gets d*ck for their efforts. Can't stomach losing fair and square and not getting a participation prize, so it had to be corrupt.
It's laughable how Dems believe they've found anything of substance that proves collusion yet it miraculously hasn't been leaked to the drooling, propaganda MSM.
Just further proves how worthless modern Libs have become. This is exactly what happens when participation trophy snowflakes face the harsh outcomes of real-life competition where the loser gets d*ck for their efforts. Can't stomach losing fair and square and not getting a participation prize, so it had to be corrupt.
Joe Fan
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If "everyone was doing it" then why were political leaders around the world so affronted when news hit the NSA was collecting their cell phone calls?
Further, you conveniently left out the part about them collecting it, collating it, organizing it and then just freely giving it all away to the Dems. During a US presidential election. In an attempt to influence that election. In this light, why do you think what they did was any better than what the Russians are purported to have been attempting?
That is not a rhetorical question. There is an answer and here it is -- what the Russians supposedly did may have helped in the eventual defeat your candidate, while what the Euros (& others) were trying to do at the same time was to help your preferred candidate. As such, your position is unprincipled. It is just your basic banal, hypocritical political partisanship blather.
OUBubba
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Nothing's going to happen fast. Investigations take time. Even if they do turn nothing up. The Watergate break-in took place in June of 1972. Agnew resigned due to unrelated corruption charges in October of 1973 (ironic...). Nixon didn't resign until August of 1974 - 26 months later.
Collusion with a foreign government and a foreign hacker group is going to be interesting to follow. There was clear coordination. We'll see if $ are involved. I know if I were an ISIS worker bee or a North Korean I'd have a google alert on "Trump", "Russia", "indictment", etc. and go deeper into caves when those pop. Seems like a lot of multi front actions. A distraction? I don't know. That's what pissed me off most about Bill Clinton. His Monica distraction had the GOP on the edge of their seats to yell "WAG THE DOG". That kept him from dealing with Al-Q as he should have been able to do. That's why the POTUS can't poop where he eats.
Brad Austin
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It's a gift Dems continue to hang their hat on such a fruitless, cult-inspired witch hunt.
Continue to prove incompetent by chasing your tails and voting no on everything while real American issues are being addressed.
Spend all of 2017 on it and even drag it into 2018 by all means. Then the mid-term elections will surely finish the knee-cap job that's already taken place.
Continue to prove incompetent by chasing your tails and voting no on everything while real American issues are being addressed.
Spend all of 2017 on it and even drag it into 2018 by all means. Then the mid-term elections will surely finish the knee-cap job that's already taken place.
OUBubba
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If by nothing you mean what your party has done to this point? They've had 7 years and 59ish attempts at repealing the ACA yet their ACTUAL plan was horrific - written as if it was drafted all after 1/1/17. Gorsuch is the only thing that DJT has accomplished. While I may disagree with him, by most accounts he's a great pick. I think your team lost the high ground on ANY obstructionism since 1/20/2009.It's a gift Dems continue to hang their hat on such a fruitless, cult-inspired witch hunt.
Continue to prove incompetent by chasing your tails and voting no on everything while real American issues are being addressed.
Spend all of 2017 on it and even drag it into 2018 by all means. Then the mid-term elections will surely finish the knee-cap job that's already taken place.
Joe Fan
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Hillary spied on her own campaign staff
Years before Hillary Clinton’s private email server ever became a campaign issue, Clinton spent a few months doing some digital snooping on her own staff.
.... in the summer of 2008, Clinton wanted an honest assessment of what had gone wrong in her failed presidential bid against Barack Obama. To this end, she had a trusted aide access the campaign’s server and download the emails sent and received by top staffers.
“She believed her campaign had failed her — not the other way around — and she wanted ‘to see who was talking to who, who was leaking to who,’ said a source familiar with the operation,” Allen and Parnes reveal in the book. “Her political director, Guy Cecil, had talked with members of the media from his campaign account. Her chief strategist, Mark Penn, was a tyrant. And far too many of her minions had fought for turf and status rather than votes.”
http://nypost.com/2017/04/18/hillary-clinton-spied-on-her-own-campaign-staff/.... in the summer of 2008, Clinton wanted an honest assessment of what had gone wrong in her failed presidential bid against Barack Obama. To this end, she had a trusted aide access the campaign’s server and download the emails sent and received by top staffers.
“She believed her campaign had failed her — not the other way around — and she wanted ‘to see who was talking to who, who was leaking to who,’ said a source familiar with the operation,” Allen and Parnes reveal in the book. “Her political director, Guy Cecil, had talked with members of the media from his campaign account. Her chief strategist, Mark Penn, was a tyrant. And far too many of her minions had fought for turf and status rather than votes.”
OUBubba
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How dare an employer monitor their employees. I thought Hillary was in the past now?
Seattle Husker
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I know that anything I do on my company's network is their property. Should they find a reason to discipline me, the first thing HR will do will be to have my email, instant message and internet browsing history as part of their investigation.
I35
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OUBubba
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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/the-kremlins-troll-army/375932/
How many of you guys are Russian trolls?
That was in 2014. They've really had a big success since then. Crazy world....
How many of you guys are Russian trolls?
That was in 2014. They've really had a big success since then. Crazy world....
Joe Fan
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So, we are now just learning that "Fusion GPS" was working as an unregistered agent for Russian interests at the time it made the discredited Trump dossier.
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sit...low-up to Steele letter) with attachments.pdf
Joe Fan
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ABC News & the AP have reported that, during the election year of 2016, the Obama Admin unmasked the names of about 2,000 American citizens, whose conversations were collected via NSA wiretapping. There are subsequent reports that the number may be closer to 2,200.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/us-asked-1934-americans-names-unmasked-intel-47174290
"Government officials requested to know the identities of more than 1,900 Americans whose information was swept up in National Security Agency surveillance programs last year, according to a newly-released intelligence report.
The identities of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents were found in 3,914 intelligence reports the NSA distributed last year, said the report released Tuesday. The annual report comes just weeks after President Donald Trump accused former President Barack Obama’s national security adviser of possibly committing a crime when she asked government analysts to disclose the names of Trump associates documented in intelligence reports.
Most names in such intelligence reports are masked to protect privacy, but last year government officials requested that 1,934 identities — not initially revealed in the NSA reports — be unmasked in order to understand the intelligence being conveyed......"
The identities of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents were found in 3,914 intelligence reports the NSA distributed last year, said the report released Tuesday. The annual report comes just weeks after President Donald Trump accused former President Barack Obama’s national security adviser of possibly committing a crime when she asked government analysts to disclose the names of Trump associates documented in intelligence reports.
Most names in such intelligence reports are masked to protect privacy, but last year government officials requested that 1,934 identities — not initially revealed in the NSA reports — be unmasked in order to understand the intelligence being conveyed......"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/us-asked-1934-americans-names-unmasked-intel-47174290
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