Coronavirus

iatrogenic said:
I never said that.
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This was fun. I'll save all of the rigaremole of actually quoting you, I'm just going to cut and paste. All your words.

*She has a cold!
*It’s a cold idiots.
*It’s a bad cold. It’s very dangerous to the elderly and the health compromised. So is the flu. You liberals, who claim to believe in science, are special people. And by special, I do not mean smart or responsible.
*So Tom and Rita Hanks have a cold.
*Yes, I have been working my *** off to save jobs from the hysteria. It is a cold, but we have chosen to destroy the economy to save compromised people from this virus. The cure will be worse than the virus itself.
 
Garmel said:
He's talking about left's reaction to the virus. If Trump thought the disease was a hoax he would not have put a travel restriction on China on January 31. He was told he was overreacting by the press and democrats.
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A few Democrats said he was over reacting. You realize that he could cure cancer and a few Democrats are going to whine about it. I don't think the press did.

I thought it was too late. We were already at community spread. If we had testing then that would have been the time to shut it down and start contact tracing. It's not almost three months later and we don't have good point of care testing yet.
 
huisache said:
treating this pandemic as a political issue is a dead end. Instead of watching televisions for "news" go online and hit the medical and scientific journals. This is nowhere close to being over or reaching its peak and we wont know when that will come and wont for a while.

As for Trump, he is guilty, if anything, of not looking at the ball, which is a characteristic reaction to these events down through history. And there is a long history of humans dealing with various epidemics of varying destructiveness

The level of denial still pervasive here and abroad is par for the course in such events.

There is not going to be a football season this fall but there are going to be a lot of funerals.

The really bad news if you have been reading the epidemiologists over the decades is that this is not the worst one the race is going to have to deal with in time.

If you have any land in the country I would suggest you put in a crop of items that can be canned or frozen because the economic consequences are going to be a lot more severe than this hiccup we are having now.

And lay in some ammunition because our less civilized brethren are not going to sit around and starve to death or do without their fixes.
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No, not the case. Yes, the virus is highly contagious but frankly not lethal enough to affect society except overload hospitals
 
OUBubba said:
A few Democrats said he was over reacting. You realize that he could cure cancer and a few Democrats are going to whine about it. I don't think the press did.

I thought it was too late. We were already at community spread. If we had testing then that would have been the time to shut it down and start contact tracing. It's not almost three months later and we don't have good point of care testing yet.
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Singapore had plenty of testing and they haven’t controlled the virus. They are experiencing waves of flare-ups
 
mchammer said:
No, not the case. Yes, the virus is highly contagious but frankly not lethal enough to affect society except overload hospitals
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What I've noticed is that it has highlighted where ICU beds were too lean. Tulsa has 6 times more ICU beds per capita than NYC. Now, they generally stay full but I'm guessing they probably don't need to be full. :)
 
mchammer said:
Singapore had plenty of testing and they haven’t controlled the virus. They are experiencing waves of flare-ups
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You have to react to the testing. To be honest, our excessive liberty might not have been a good match for good, efficient contact tracing anyway. Hell, I can't keep my 78 year old mom in the house.
 
OUBubba said:
This was fun. I'll save all of the rigaremole of actually quoting you, I'm just going to cut and paste. All your words.

*She has a cold!
*It’s a cold idiots.
*It’s a bad cold. It’s very dangerous to the elderly and the health compromised. So is the flu. You liberals, who claim to believe in science, are special people. And by special, I do not mean smart or responsible.
*So Tom and Rita Hanks have a cold.
*Yes, I have been working my *** off to save jobs from the hysteria. It is a cold, but we have chosen to destroy the economy to save compromised people from this virus. The cure will be worse than the virus itself.
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[crickets] Gotta go to work now! Gotta go take my turn manning the front door screening process![/crickets]
 
OUBubba said:
You have to react to the testing. To be honest, our excessive liberty might not have been a good match for good, efficient contact tracing anyway. Hell, I can't keep my 78 year old mom in the house.
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When people under 40 realize the risk to them is no worse than doing their normal daily lives, AND that ruining the economy also kills people, let’s just say the quarantine will be over and everyone is getting the virus.
 
OUBubba said:
This was fun. I'll save all of the rigaremole of actually quoting you, I'm just going to cut and paste. All your words.

*She has a cold!
*It’s a cold idiots.
*It’s a bad cold. It’s very dangerous to the elderly and the health compromised. So is the flu. You liberals, who claim to believe in science, are special people. And by special, I do not mean smart or responsible.
*So Tom and Rita Hanks have a cold.
*Yes, I have been working my *** off to save jobs from the hysteria. It is a cold, but we have chosen to destroy the economy to save compromised people from this virus. The cure will be worse than the virus itself.
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You're getting senile. Those quotes are from other posters, not me. Nice try though.
 
huisache said:
treating this pandemic as a political issue is a dead end. Instead of watching televisions for "news" go online and hit the medical and scientific journals. This is nowhere close to being over or reaching its peak and we wont know when that will come and wont for a while.

As for Trump, he is guilty, if anything, of not looking at the ball, which is a characteristic reaction to these events down through history. And there is a long history of humans dealing with various epidemics of varying destructiveness

The level of denial still pervasive here and abroad is par for the course in such events.

There is not going to be a football season this fall but there are going to be a lot of funerals.

The really bad news if you have been reading the epidemiologists over the decades is that this is not the worst one the race is going to have to deal with in time.

If you have any land in the country I would suggest you put in a crop of items that can be canned or frozen because the economic consequences are going to be a lot more severe than this hiccup we are having now.

And lay in some ammunition because our less civilized brethren are not going to sit around and starve to death or do without their fixes.
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This board is about politics.

Polls conducted in 2012 across 20 countries found over 14% of people believe the world will end in their lifetime, with percentages ranging from 6% of people in France to 22% in the US and Turkey. Belief in the apocalypse is most prevalent in people with lower rates of education, lower household incomes, and those under the age of 35. In the UK in 2015, 23% of the general public believed the apocalypse was likely to occur in their lifetime, compared to 10% of experts from the Global Challenges Foundation. The general public believed the likeliest cause would be nuclear war, while experts thought it would be artificial intelligence. Only 3% of Britons thought the end would be caused by the Last Judgement, compared to 16% of Americans. Between one and three percent of people from both countries said the apocalypse would be caused by zombies or alien invasion.
 
iatrogenic said:
He did horrible compared to Trump.
How exactly has China taken a leadership role in our supposed "absence" at the WHO?
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Sneezing in public without a mask.
 
First study using antibody testing. Hold onto your hats...infection rates 50x than reported by testing.



Results The unadjusted prevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara County was 1.5% (exact binomial 95CI 1.11-1.97%), and the population-weighted prevalence was 2.81% (95CI 2.24-3.37%). Under the three scenarios for test performance characteristics, the population prevalence of COVID-19 in Santa Clara ranged from 2.49% (95CI 1.80-3.17%) to 4.16% (2.58-5.70%). These prevalence estimates represent a range between 48,000 and 81,000 people infected in Santa Clara County by early April, 50-85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases. Conclusions The population prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in Santa Clara County implies that the infection is much more widespread than indicated by the number of confirmed cases. Population prevalence estimates can now be used to calibrate epidemic and mortality projections.
 
If the above is true, then coronavirus is like a very bad flu in the sense it is more contagious at the same or slightly higher fatality.
 
mchammer said:
If the above is true, then coronavirus is like a very bad flu in the sense it is more contagious at the same or slightly higher fatality.
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This interesting news, pointing towards a new opening of the economy. How the stats match with experience is going to be interesting, because I'm still hearing folks turned away from testing.

I have a teammate at work who is recovering from what he thought was coronavirus, but his health care providers said as a young, healthy man he shouldn't be tested. He said it was two weeks of misery ... he went to the hospital twice and was told to go home and recover. Sounded way worse than flu. The good news... after two weeks of feeling like he could never get enough air, he's got no interest in the Newports he's smoked for 15 years.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
"Excessive liberty"? Does not compute.
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Funny. Maybe I should have said "our population's lack of desire to follow medical instructions that they may feel that they don't need to follow and that no one can make them follow and, just because they can, they're going to go to Lowe's to get flowers I don't care what that damn doctor said...she's some damn millennial anyway".
 
Fun to still be in Barry’s head rent free.

This whole situation started with lies from the Chinese, then “experts” perpetuating bad theories, projections and general false hyperbolic reporting by the news media. Now states and hospitals are over reporting deaths for the money grab.

It is a cold virus - a bad one- but it is going to be about as deadly as the annual flu. As the final study of this proceeds, I expect the overall death rate will fall, more will be learned about how to prevent the next outbreak and the economy will eventually recover.

That should tide Barry and Longest over the weekend.
 
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