Coronavirus

[OUBubba]

Remember "shelter in place" was sold to us in order to flatten the curve, not end the outbreak. The important thing to do was to keep the hospitals from being overrun, to give them time to prepare beds, ventilators, tests, potential therapies, etc.

The people of America have done their part. The FDA and CDC haven't. They have continued to restrict the production and distribution of needed medical resources. Trump suspended some of the FDA restrictions, but only some and only temporarily. If Trump will continue to strip away the artificial bottlenecks, we can still open up society without putting hospitals at risk for over crowding.

On May 4th, it will be time for mass protests in Austin and all over America. We will need to go into the streets en mass, with masks for those who prefer, with those who have a cough voluntarily staying at home, congregating in commercials districts and in building where possible to demand the government to get out of the way and let workers work and doctors take care of the sick.

The President should have used his presidential powers to mandate this stuff.

 

[OUBubba]

Eyes, I just think the Left likes to wield power. Any excuse to do it, is fair game.

I'd say that is a bipartisan motivation.

 

[iatrogenic]

I did some reading on the topic. I can say that there appears to be some promise with this treatment. It appears that there are some serious studies being undertaken now. The one I read seemed more like a battlefield study and that's an appropriate way to perform it during an outbreak. I think it would have a shot of being more accepted by the medical community if the Surgeon General or Dr. Fauci were discussing it. Also, they should highlight the "potential" as opposed to the promise.

I think in a few months we will know as much about what treatments/efforts to avoid as much as what will work. This is a crafty little bug.

So now you want folks with lupus to suffer. Nice.

Remember "shelter in place" was sold to us in order to flatten the curve, not end the outbreak. The important thing to do was to keep the hospitals from being overrun, to give them time to prepare beds, ventilators, tests, potential therapies, etc.

The people of America have done their part. The FDA and CDC haven't. They have continued to restrict the production and distribution of needed medical resources. Trump suspended some of the FDA restrictions, but only some and only temporarily. If Trump will continue to strip away the artificial bottlenecks, we can still open up society without putting hospitals at risk for over crowding.

On May 4th, it will be time for mass protests in Austin and all over America. We will need to go into the streets en mass, with masks for those who prefer, with those who have a cough voluntarily staying at home, congregating in commercials districts and in building where possible to demand the government to get out of the way and let workers work and doctors take care of the sick.

Here is a quote from a CDC doctor in early January:
"We believe the current risk to this virus is low," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at a press conference on Friday. "For families sitting around the dinner table tonight, this is not something they need to worry about."

At this point, it appears most people caught the virus directly from animals, and the infection does not spread very easily from person to person.

"This is not a time for people to freak out and be overly concerned," Cetron said. "This is a time for vigilance and awareness."

"This isn't anywhere near in the same category as measles or flu," Cetron said. Those two infections spread easily from person to person."
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Maybe we shouldn't listen to the so called "experts" all of the time.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

I think in a few months we will know as much about what treatments/efforts to avoid as much as what will work. This is a crafty little bug.

I think the word you are looking for is "inscrutable" little bug.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

I am now pissed beyond the pissedness of all pistivity. I can only hope that Gov. Abbott will invalidate this ridiculous power grab by Adler.

In the meantime, I will be taking my business to Hays County whenever possible as I live on the border of the 2 counties.

Welcome to the side of sanity.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

The President should have used his presidential powers to mandate this stuff.

No, because that would be wildly unconstitutional. He is the President, not the king. Stop getting mad at the President when he acts like a President, and not a tyrant.

 

[LongestHorn]

 

[OUBubba]

No, because that would be wildly unconstitutional. He is the President, not the king. Stop getting mad at the President when he acts like a President, and not a tyrant.

The Defense Production Act. He invoked it for ventilators. He should have invoked it in February to try to get testing in place. We could have South Korea'd this thing. Instead we Italy'd it.

 

[LongestHorn]

Also, analogizing the US with Italy is a bit silly. In terms of deaths, the US is much closer to South Korea than it is to Italy.

 

[Monahorns]

There's a quasi-working theory here that we had some of it way early. There was a flu that was negative for A and B this season. Once the antibody testing is available we'll know for sure or at least be able to disprove that thought. I'm not sure that I buy that the virus circled around eastern Oklahoma and didn't make it to Dallas or Tulsa.

Bubba, part of the reason for the A/B flue down year is that many flu deaths have been categorized as from Corona. All a doctor has to do is assume it was Corona virus to put it on the death certificate. Most likely the death rate of Corona is still lower than reported and the death rate from flu is more similar to years past.

 

[Monahorns]

The President should have used his presidential powers to mandate this stuff.

Bubba, no he shouldn't have. That would be oppression. Something the Left has accused Trump of since the beginning. So do you want a tyrant in office or not? As long as the tyrant has part of the D team?

 

[LongestHorn]

As of today, more than 30% of the worlds known active Covid19 cases are Americans.

1,936,700 cases worldwide
587,173 are Americans

 

[Garmel]

 

[OUBubba]

Bubba, part of the reason for the A/B flue down year is that many flu deaths have been categorized as from Corona. All a doctor has to do is assume it was Corona virus to put it on the death certificate. Most likely the death rate of Corona is still lower than reported and the death rate from flu is more similar to years past.

I disagree. People in hospitals are getting one day turnaround from the reference labs. If they’ve got covid it is known. I could buy that for patients that were already in the icu and caught from the hospital staff but people who are having difficulty breathing are getting tested on admit.

 

[OUBubba]

Bubba, no he shouldn't have. That would be oppression. Something the Left has accused Trump of since the beginning. So do you want a tyrant in office or not? As long as the tyrant has part of the D team?

So was he a tyrant when getting ventilators?

 

[Austin_Bill]

I'd say that is a bipartisan motivation.

Disagree completely. The right is about strong state government and federal to keep their mits out of peoples lives. The Feds are our voice to the rest of the world and our military. They shouldn't be telling us how to live or work or run a business.

The left thinks they have a right to be in every part of our lives, the are willing to create laws that will enslave us.

 

[Horn6721]

The same people that said Trump did not shut it down soon enough are now saying he does not have authority to open it up

 

[Garmel]

The Defense Production Act. He invoked it for ventilators. He should have invoked it in February to try to get testing in place. We could have South Korea'd this thing. Instead we Italy'd it.

After listening to Fauci's statements in January and February I don't think Trump was getting great advice at the time. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

 

[Mr. Deez]

We have 74 deaths per million more than South Korea. Italy has 270 more than we do, so yeah, we're closer to South Korea than to Italy.

And remember, your people were ok with letting thousands of infected Chinese come into the United States every day and were telling people not to socially distance during the crucial time period, so I don't you see how you've got much credibility to judge.

 

[Mr. Deez]

The same people that said Trump did not shut it down soon enough are now saying he does not have authority to open it up

The reality is that he never had the authority to do either one.

 

[Mr. Deez]

As of today, more than 30% of the worlds known active Covid19 cases are Americans.

1,936,700 cases worldwide
587,173 are Americans

You believe the Chinese. Sad.

 

[Horn6721]

I got a PM from a poster who told me to piss off. Part of the message was the poster did not know HCQ 's first use was for malaria. Most of the diatribe was concerning lupus patients not realizing that using HCQ for lupus likely came from off label treatment just like it will for Covid.

I am tempted to post it here. There is no need to use such language or insult me privately. Have the cajones to do it in public. Saying you do not want people to know you "sully yourself" by posting on HF is comical.

 

[Horn6721]

Yea saying the poster did not want others to know he or she sullied themselves by posting in Hornfans insulted me more than the childish "piss off " did.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Seems to me you shouldn't say something in a PM that you wouldn't be willing to have shown to the board.

 

[Horn6721]

I agree unless it is information or thoughts that will help the poster.
If someone thinks they would be sullied by posting on Hornfans why post here?

 

[LongestHorn]

Yea saying the poster did not want others to know he or she sullied themselves by posting in Hornfans insulted me more than the childish "piss off " did.

That’s true of most former posters here, isn’t it?

 

[Horn6721]

Speak for youself
Telling you think that

 

[OUBubba]

I got a PM from a poster who told me to piss off. Part of the message was the poster did not know HCQ 's first use was for malaria. Most of the diatribe was concerning lupus patients not realizing that using HCQ for lupus likely came from off label treatment just like it will for Covid.

I am tempted to post it here. There is no need to use such language or insult me privately. Have the cajones to do it in public. Saying you do not want people to know you "sully yourself" by posting on HF is comical.

Piss off.

 

[LongestHorn]

Speak for youself
Telling you think that

You weren’t here in the heyday. Why do you think they no longer post here? They weren’t ALL banned, were they?

 

[OUBubba]

There's not a lot of malaria treated in Eastern Oklahoma. There is some lupus and other autoimmune disease.