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mb227 said:
No evidence because 1) these are all arguably still in a trial phase and 2) there has not been any meaningful effort into studying that element of potential adverse reaction.

Issues related to fertility are something that NO meaningful pronouncement can be made for at least a few years. It isn't like every test subject or even those in the general population being injected then promptly rush out for an injection of a different type...

Until someone is actually trying to get knocked up, they won't know whether they are actually infertile or not...some who are infertile as a side effect might even simply believe they have been lucky for the past few months or that whatever method of contraception in use has thus far not been a failure.
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But how do they prove that it was the vaccine that caused their infertility? The link from "this was only approved for emergency use" to "not studied enough to prove that it doesn't cause infertility" is the same type of narrative that Andrew Wakefield wove with his autism fearmongering.

Using his methodology, we could potentially find infertile people who got the vaccine and use that as our correlation. It would be flawed, to say the least, but that's enough for a subpopulation to buy the t-shirts and listen to Joe Rogan podcasts about it.
 
Horns11 said:
But how do they prove that it was the vaccine that caused their infertility? The link from "this was only approved for emergency use" to "not studied enough to prove that it doesn't cause infertility" is the same type of narrative that Andrew Wakefield wove with his autism fearmongering.

Using his methodology, we could potentially find infertile people who got the vaccine and use that as our correlation. It would be flawed, to say the least, but that's enough for a subpopulation to buy the t-shirts and listen to Joe Rogan podcasts about it.
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Compare new cases against the background rate. It’s what they did regarding the rare blood clot condition. Also, you look at the subtype of the disease. Often, the problem is a different subtype than typical. Again, that was the case for the rare blood clot.
 
mchammer said:
Compare new cases against the background rate. It’s what they did regarding the rare blood clot condition. Also, you look at the subtype of the disease. Often, the problem is a different subtype than typical. Again, that was the case for the rare blood clot.
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About as statistically likely to be stuck by lightening.
 
My 22 year old makes her own decisions. She does not like pharmaceuticals or anything that is not natural. It’s who she is and she is healthy. It is a tough decision for a parent with under age kids.

I personally would not force it unless they had underlying issues. That’s just me though.
 
Agree. Mine all pestered me to get them scheduled. I don't look down on people not getting it. I've got a MT working for me not wanting it. She's smart and has done her research. Live free!
 
OUBubba said:
About as statistically likely to be stuck by lightening.
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Wait...NOW we have to worry about coming out of a jab looking like Michael Jackson?

Oh wait...you meant lightning. Although for some, even THAT risk as relates to fertility is enough to pass on a 'vaccine' for an illness so problematic for some that they needed a test to know they ever even had it...
 
bystander said:
That's my opinion too but this is a real parenting moment. I'm about to order my 17 old daughter to do (she turns 18 in December) it. She'll be an adult in the not to distant future but will still be in high school at that time. We've discussed passing it to others. I've gone through all the cards in the deck concerning the need to be vaccinated (which I have done as has her 24 year old brother). I told her I was really surprised we were running into this problem. Ultimately, her meek response was she wanted to wait a few more months to see if her fears are unfounded, BUT, as you know, COVID could strike at any time.
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That is a serious concern. I wouldn't let her get the vaccine.
 
mb227 said:
No evidence because 1) these are all arguably still in a trial phase and 2) there has not been any meaningful effort into studying that element of potential adverse reaction.

Issues related to fertility are something that NO meaningful pronouncement can be made for at least a few years. It isn't like every test subject or even those in the general population being injected then promptly rush out for an injection of a different type...

Until someone is actually trying to get knocked up, they won't know whether they are actually infertile or not...some who are infertile as a side effect might even simply believe they have been lucky for the past few months or that whatever method of contraception in use has thus far not been a failure.
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There is zero evidence that the COVID virus itself causes infertility, and there's been plenty of time to notice those kind of effects.

As for the vaccine, there is postsurveillance data that hasnt raised any red flags so far. Is it proof, no it's not but it's still something.

I don't know why you bother though, because it's obvious that you don't care what the science says.

I'll tell you what -- in 5 years I'm going to bump this thread and when there's no data showing infertility I expect you'll make an idiotic claim like big pharma is hiding all the infertility cases caused by the vaccine.

On the other hand, if there is data showing infertility then I'll admit that I was wrong.
 
AustinHorn24 said:
On the other hand, if there is data showing infertility then I'll admit that I was wrong.
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No you won't...just like you won't admit you lost your *** on $GME and you refuse to sponsor.

And you won't bump this thread in five years because in five years, people will be bitching about the next overblown health fear giving rise to efforts to destroy an economy...
 
mb227 said:
No you won't...just like you won't admit you lost your *** on $GME and you refuse to sponsor.

And you won't bump this thread in five years because in five years, people will be bitching about the next overblown health fear giving rise to efforts to destroy an economy...
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LOL wow you are a glutton for punishment aren't you? Do you really want to see my receipts from GME? Write me a 500 word essay on how much you are dying to see the transaction receipt on it and I'll consider posting it.
 
theiioftx said:
Never met a surgeon or any doctor with a young family who has time to opine on a message board for free. Well until now.
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I don't run a multibillion dollar company or have 50,000 employees like you do. Your subordinates should be asking you why you are hanging out on the internet all day instead of running the company like you're supposed to.
 
AustinHorn24 said:
I don't run a multibillion dollar company or have 50,000 employees like you do. Your subordinates should be asking you why you are hanging out on the internet all day instead of running the company like you're supposed to.
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My job entails lots of time on an airplane and I have no young children. Planes have internet capability these days, but no phone calls can occur. I’ve asked HIC to get this corrected.
 
AustinHorn24 said:
You need to read my previous post again.
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You mean the one where you expressly stated:
"As for the vaccine, there is postsurveillance data that hasnt raised any red flags so far. Is it proof, no it's not but it's still something."

That post?

The entire discussion about infertility has NEVER surrounded simple contraction of the sniffles. It was ALWAYS about side effects of the effing 'vaccine.

Not a surprise that would try to derail in some other direction though...you demonstrate time and again that you wouldn't know a straight answer if it came out of a bottle into a syringe and jabbed you in your ***...
 
AustinHorn24 said:
I'm talking about the COVID virus itself, not the vaccine.
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Just one sample. If anyone should suffer long term side effects from rona it would be my son. He was born with a congenital heart defect nicknamed "total veins". He really shouldn't be alive but he's 23 and kicking because the doctors invented a new procedure to fix what he has. His "plumbing" is misrouted all over his body and his respiratory system will never be the same as any other "normal" human.

With that said, he had rona about 8 months ago and suffers zero side effects. His cardiologist has performed every possible test on him including MRI's and said everything about him is the same as before rona. Blood flow, heart wall thickness, lung capacity, etc.

The media needs to stop fear mongering "long term effects" because they have no idea if there will be any. They just like getting people riled up for click bait using interviews from doctors who have no idea what will happen either. We can't live in a country where every action is dictated by someone else's fear of what might happen.
 
The last two restaurants I have been to I haven’t worn a mask. The last one, I didn’t see anyone wearing a mask, even the health inspector checking food temperature.
 
I was in Philadelphia this week. Was like last summer in Nashville. Masks everywhere and stupid policies. Nobody can sit at the bar, but they have people sitting at high tops 6 feet away, but 3 feet apart sideways. Then the homeless lining the airport walkway. It’s time to split the country. Liberals are idiots.
 
theiioftx said:
I was in Philadelphia this week. Was like last summer in Nashville. Masks everywhere and stupid policies. Nobody can sit at the bar, but they have people sitting at high tops 6 feet away, but 3 feet apart sideways. Then the homeless lining the airport walkway. It’s time to split the country. Liberals are idiots.
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I’m sitting in the bar at the Marriott PHL Airport. I have been commuting here since March. Today is the first day I’ve seen seating at the bar, and I was here a few nights ago.

I was in Fort Worth last weekend. Every place still says mask required but I saw no enforcement.
 
Shawnee Oklahoma for softball. Zero masks and zero f’s. The wife said I looked like a republican going into Dollar Tree to get some reading glasses without a mask on. :)
 
That’s funny. My wife buys my readers at Dollar. I hate’m cause in a week they are so scratched they are worthless. And what are f’s?
 
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